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Leave the animal rights and treatment discussion out of this topic. Thanks. -Nyovne | ||
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jonathan1
United States395 Posts
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
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On August 12 2011 15:29 naventus wrote: Travis you need to watch Food Inc., goes into detail about some of the abominable practices in the food industry, especially regarding livestock. abdominal? do you mean abominable? or they actually doing things to the abdomens of animals? edit: hehe yeah you did On August 12 2011 15:29 Chrispy wrote: Can anyone explain why in those photos there white people holding the dead bear and white people all around? i was wondering that too.. just didn't ask | ||
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Puph
Canada635 Posts
they are unable to bear the pain. that really hit the spot. can't help but notice the pun in it, surely it was intentional. | ||
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Slago
Canada726 Posts
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BioTech
Australia264 Posts
Scientific methods are the only way - not ancient quackery. | ||
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Mayor
United States472 Posts
EDIT: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.asiaone.com/static/multimedia/gallery/110805_bear/images/pic2.jpg) Wow, they hole behind that vest is never closed. Poor things. | ||
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:29 Chrispy wrote: Can anyone explain why in those photos there white people holding the dead bear and white people all around? It's a tad shady, but I'd hesitate to believe that it'd be Chinese news reporters spreading the news. Not to say that white people are always the good guys, but given how the government has a chokehold on everything, I dont think a story like this would fly without some foreign media getting involved. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
A lot of animals we cultivate have existences that are as horrific as these bears'. I don't think bears are overwhelmingly more possessing of real feelings than a chicken or a pig. They all care for their offspring and, as such, they can all feel the severe horror of being unable to protect them. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:31 Slago wrote: this makes me hate people, that's so horrible, how can people do this, I can't understand, we kill so many vital animals in our ecosystem and cause them so much pain and distress, people fin sharks than throw the writhing body in the ocean, they do this fucked up shit to bears, they hunt elephants for tusks, and although most of these practices are greatly reduced, things like shark finning are so prodominent still and it makes me sick, such regal beautiful important animals destroyed for no reason :'( There's reason. It's always money. Capitalism, materialism, greed, are evil things!!! | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:24 x-Catalyst wrote: You'd be surprised the way a mother animal will act to protect her babies from potential harm or danger. A mother rabbit will kill her own babies rather then have a predator or other threat do so. There's a difference between a tangible threat (predator) and an intangible concept (lifetime of suffering.) The latter requires a level of brain function that's basically just unique to humans, as far as we know. Problem solving is one thing. Planning is another. On August 12 2011 15:31 BioTech wrote: Sigh. Is the fact that it's unscientific in any way related to the fact that it caused pain and suffering? No. Does using established research methods help prevent pain and suffering during the testing phase? Not necessarily.Im sure plenty of chinese think this practice backwards and barbaric. The sooner traditional medicines go the way of the Dodo the better. You wont cure cancer by drinking dolphin piss or sticking a crystal up your posterior. Scientific methods are the only way - not ancient quackery. | ||
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Attican
Denmark531 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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On August 12 2011 15:32 Jojo131 wrote: It's a tad shady, but I'd hesitate to believe that it'd be Chinese news reporters spreading the news. Not to say that white people are always the good guys, but given how the government has a chokehold on everything, I dont think a story like this would fly without some foreign media getting involved. Well if it's authenticity is questionable, the next line is - who has an interest in rallying people against an imaginary atrocity? | ||
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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
Perfect video on the subject (and is a pleasant break from the horror of animal cruelty such as this). Traditional chinese medicine - like many alternative/traditional forms of medicine - is mostly bullshit. However, there ARE some medicines that definitely work. Which is why science studied these medicines, discovered which of them actually worked and why, extracted/concentrated the active ingredients, and it turned into MEDICINE. Your quote is a perfect example of this; the bear juice works. However, science studied it, discovered the active ingredient, and found a way to artificially synthesize it without the need for any cruelty to bears. | ||
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Zirith
Canada403 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:53 travis wrote: Bears have very thick skulls. I doubt it could run into a wall and kill itself. That said, is what is attested to here actually legal? bears can run twice as fast as humans and weigh a ton(a literal ton), that kind of force directly into a wall would kill almost anything. That shit is beyond f'd up. Using bear bile as medicine also seems like a bad idea. | ||
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
Seriously people. -_- | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:33 Attican wrote: Wtf China? Hopefully the amount of people that believe in that bear bile stuff is grows significantly smaller. Hopefully not neccessary. Very tragic indeed. But I don't think this kind of stuff will stop anytime soon. | ||
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sc2guy
291 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:26 Oxymoron wrote: Are we implying we kill animals "humanely" (is there even such thing as humane killing?) in the West? There are humane methods for killing livestock. Extract from Humane Slaughter Act: (a) in the case of cattle, calves, horses, mules, sheep, swine, and other livestock, all animals are rendered insensible to pain by a single blow or gunshot or an electrical, chemical or other means that is rapid and effective, before being shackled, hoisted, thrown, cast, or cut; or On August 12 2011 15:29 Chrispy wrote: Can anyone explain why in those photos there are white people holding the dead bear and white people all around? This article http://ingenira.hubpages.com/hub/A-Teary-Mother-Bear-Killed-Her-Baby-and-Committed-Suicide-A-Heart-Breaking-True-Story will shed some light. Lastly, can we don't bring East, West, Americans, China or what nots into this? The main point the article want to highlight is that mother bear love its cub so much that it is willing to kill it to spare it a lifetime of hell. | ||
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Empyrean
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On August 12 2011 15:07 AustinCM wrote: "Traditional" Remedies and Medicine are a total joke, people should get with reality and stop believing and relying on pseudo science horse shit. While I suppose I somewhat agree with you on the principle that people should embrace rationality and science over traditional beliefs steeped in mysticism or superstition, there are examples of times when "traditional" medicine is efficacious (for example, boiling willow bark for pain relief; the acetylsalicylic acid in the willow bark is the main ingredient of aspirin). People are remarkably good at finding patterns: "oh, you had a fever and some soreness but you drank some willow tree and it's better? Next time someone has a fever, let's try giving them that." This type of behavior is the basis of the scientific method. That is, you observe a phenomenon, form a hypothesis, and test the hypothesis to see if it conforms to your expectations. If not, then you discard it. Native American populations repeatedly saw the efficacy of willow bark in treating mild fevers and pains, and thus correctly "prescribed" it for those same conditions in the future. As for bear bile, it is efficacious for certain conditions, notably gallstones, because of the ursodeoxycholic acid in the bile itself. It's (the acid, not the bile) also the only FDA approved treatment for primary biliary cirrhosis. Obviously, people suffering from these conditions would benefit from consuming bear bile products. However, since modern medicine has found ways to humanely (and cheaply, might I add) synthesize the active ingredient, traditional extraction is no longer necessary for production of the ursodeoxycholic acid. That being said, Chinese people are incredibly superstitious, and will stick to tradition like nobody's business. I've had many medical doctors subscribe to the theory of "heat" in terms of things like "oh you shouldn't eat that. It'll increase your heat." This, from physicians trained in Western medicine as well. It's something deeply ingrained in the culture, and any attempts to eschew traditional practices in favor of modern science will be met with criticism (gonna go with some wild speculation here and attribute it to an inferiority complex). This is also why you have people continuing the incredibly cruel extraction of bear bile instead of simply paying grad students to chemically synthesize ursodiol. So no, not all of traditional medicine is bullshit, but it's backwards and detrimental to blindly cling onto traditional practice in the face of scientific advances. For the record, if I were ever offered the choice, I'd take modern medicine in a heartbeat. But that doesn't mean that none of its discoveries were engendered by traditional practices. EDIT: minor grammar. oops. | ||
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