EPTI am not defending this practice, but to antagonize the east while staying ignorant towards our own faults is just hypocritical.
Mother Bear kills cub then self at chinese farm - Page 4
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Oxymoron
Canada137 Posts
I am not defending this practice, but to antagonize the east while staying ignorant towards our own faults is just hypocritical. | ||
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Drium
United States888 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:05 travis wrote: You're not the first expert on chinese medicine that's popped up here. I think it's stupid to suggest that natural medicine with thousands of years of history behind it has nothing to offer. Yeah dude gotta get that heat out of your body! | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:05 travis wrote: You're not the first expert on chinese medicine that's popped up here. I think it's stupid to suggest that natural medicine with thousands of years of history behind it has nothing to offer. Just because it's old doesn't mean it isn't bullshit. In western cultural, specially in the nordic We used a method called Bloodletting. Basically the theory was that when someone got ill it was in their blood. (which partially was true) so the proper treatment would be to remove the "bad" blood, this was done by tapping the patients of blood and this way make them all good again. The effect of this (of course) on an ill patient was that he suffered sever blood loss and the infection was still left in his body and the patient died. This shit was going on for over 2.000 years. This alternative medicin, some of it, might not be as lethal as bloodletting but it sure as hell still is just as fucked up as bloodletting was and it being "old" doesn't automatically make it work. | ||
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TheLOLas
United States646 Posts
2. It is terrible that this was ever practiced 3. I kind of doubt the legitimacy of this story. I mean how in the hell can a bear be able to understand the concept of putting its cub out of its misery. | ||
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Nightfall.589
Canada766 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:05 travis wrote: You're not the first expert on chinese medicine that's popped up here. I think it's stupid to suggest that natural medicine with thousands of years of history behind it has nothing to offer. I think it's stupid to suggest that thousands of years of history behind flat-earthism... Or traditional medicine has anything to offer, if it can't pass double-blind clinicial trials. | ||
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TheToaster
United States280 Posts
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HornyHydra
Taiwan222 Posts
As for the article in the OP, I don't agree with what the people on the bear farm are doing. I think the method of extracting and farming the bear bile is very wrong and cruel. I highly doubt that anything can actually be done to change this if this method of obtaining bear bile is legal in China simply because TCM is widely practiced in one form or another in China and other asian countries. I don't think that there is any room for productive discussion to happen with this topic. | ||
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Eiviyn
United Kingdom169 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:04 rift wrote: Traditional Chinese medicine is a farce just like any other suggested medicine lacking clinically-proven efficacy. Of course, people all over the world believe in imaginary deities and fictional history, so I'm sure this is considered completely rational to its uneducated "practitioners". Uneducation Not condoning this, just correcting the above. | ||
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sc2guy
291 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:55 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Lololol. This kind of stuff happens everywhere. Everytime you eat KFC you're supporting animal cruelty! Don't come into these threads and shed tears of ignorance. You're part of the problem. Goes for you too, don't come into these threads and act like so high and mighty. There is a difference between using humane and non humane methods when dealing with animals/livestock. Another article (link) to those who are truly knows what animal cruelty is about. Extract from article: Bear bile farming is still practised in Asia where the bears are kept in small cages and bile is extracted for traditional medicine. There are a few methods used for bile extraction. The most recent technique is called ‘free dripping’. It involves making a permanent hole or fistula into the bears’ abdomen and gall bladder. During bile milking, a metal tube will be used to poke through the hole to reach the gall bladder and break the membrane, so that the bile is released. This process is often done without anaesthetic and sterilization >> No anaesthetic and sterilization to save costs The wound from the bile extraction was never closed. So, the wound never recovered. After months and years of this physical torture, many of these bears suffer from infections, diseases, tumour, cancer growth and death from peritonitis (inflammation of the peritoneum, the serous membrane, that lines part of the abdominal cavity and viscera). >> Imagine the pain the bear has to go through 24/7 with an open wound and a pipe through the hole in stomach. ![[image loading]](http://s1.hubimg.com/u/4673332_f520.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://s2.hubimg.com/u/4668389_f520.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://s3.hubimg.com/u/4671598_f520.jpg) Warning: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.optimax.net.au/images/caffata%20bear.jpg) | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On August 12 2011 15:13 Looms wrote: Like the first guy, I normally agree with you, but this thread is about these bears. This is only going to derail the thread more. lol, what is there to discuss. clearly this is fucked up, and anyone that disagrees is going to face mass dissent. | ||
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:13 Oxymoron wrote: Oh boy, this thread is going to get 200+ replies just because it says "China" in the OP. This kind of animal cruelty happens everywhere in the world and is a common practice in the west as well. I am not defending this practice, but to antagonize the east while staying ignorant towards our own faults is just hypocritical. Oh ok lets just stand up for backwards ass practices and a country that continues to allow all sorts of bullshit from things like this issue to unregulated industrial practices and so on. I should just look at all this and say, gosh isn't diversity amazing! We can all do things differently! Unfortunately I still live on Earth and I'm not retarded so I can't say that. | ||
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ligas
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first, start with a half-baked cover story mix equal parts misjudgement and deceit add 3 cups of sensationalism then add a tablespoonful of drama voila you just cooked up some primo bullshit just like how mom (national enquirer) used to make 'em. | ||
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P3T3R
Canada87 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
I know i probably can't do a thing here because lots of "CHINESE people" believe in all these medicinal values tiger tooth,rhino's horn blended into powder form for medical purpose to help in human health but than what are we doing is we are going to cause so much pain for another living being just to enhanced your health ? That's not my believe this has to stop we can't do this forever . | ||
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Divergence
Canada363 Posts
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MeteorRise
Canada611 Posts
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Flameling
United States413 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:10 StorkHwaiting wrote: Sigh. So fking sad. Chinese ppl stop doing this  . I know animal cruelty happens in tons of areas of agriculture, but it always just makes me fking sad. Wish all agriculture used humane practices, even though that's mostly an empty gesture too. Mmmhm, good job making an asshole of yourself by saying it's only China doing it. I can say, "American ppl stop murdering cows and pigs." | ||
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lynx.oblige
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On August 12 2011 15:14 Integra wrote: Just because it's old doesn't mean it isn't bullshit. In western cultural, specially in the nordic We used a method called Bloodletting. Basically the theory was that when someone got ill it was in their blood. (which partially was true) so the proper treatment would be to remove the "bad" blood, this was done by tapping the patients of blood and this way make them all good again. The effect of this (of course) on an ill patient was that he suffered sever blood loss and the infection was still left in his body and the patient died. This shit was going on for over 2.000 years. This alternative medicin, some of it, might not be as lethal as bloodletting but it sure as hell still is just as fucked up as bloodletting was and it being "old" doesn't automatically make it work. On August 12 2011 15:15 Nightfall.589 wrote: I think it's stupid to suggest that thousands of years of history behind flat-earthism... Or traditional medicine has anything to offer, if it can't pass double-blind clinicial trials. I never said it was all correct, or even mostly correct. I just think that there is probably a lot of value/truth to some or much of it. There's plenty of techniques/medicines from older civilizations that have tons of value.... and China is very old... there is no reason they couldn't have discovered legitimate medicines/techniques in that time. Actually it would be stupid to suggest they never did. | ||
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JediGamer
United States656 Posts
On a side note, things like this should be death penalty... they lead to notions such as human "baby machines" pretty easily. The people have no souls. How do you even tell people you work there? "Hey, just a grand old day, torturing some animals on the planet for money because I have no other skills". | ||
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