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Leave the animal rights and treatment discussion out of this topic. Thanks. -Nyovne
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
August 12 2011 06:04 GMT
#41
She killed herself running into a wall headfirst? I realise they are heavy and all but dont bears have super thick skulls?
SmokeyNagata
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States111 Posts
August 12 2011 06:04 GMT
#42
On August 12 2011 15:03 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:02 SmOkeYNaGaTa wrote:
Animals have intelligence beyond what we could imagine. Very sad story to hear.

However, we'd be hypocrites to criticize this in a non-vegan world. Where would one draw the line between human and inhumane treatment of animals? Or between too unintelligent and intelligent to use as product?

This type of news account often antagonizes the East for essentially the same practices as the West. Whether it's a bear, cow, or rabbit, who are we to judge which animal is too sacred or too intelligent to kill.


Maybe you missed the part where it was being tortured.



Only if we turn a blind eye to the torture of animals worldwide.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 12 2011 06:05 GMT
#43
On August 12 2011 15:04 rift wrote:
Traditional Chinese medicine is a farce just like any other form of medicine lacking clinically-proven efficacy. Of course, people all over the world believe in imaginary deities and fictional history, so I'm sure this is considered completely rational to uneducated "practitioners".


You're not the first expert on chinese medicine that's popped up here. I think it's stupid to suggest that natural medicine with thousands of years of history behind it has nothing to offer.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
August 12 2011 06:06 GMT
#44
So that people understand, it is China we are talking about. They treat their own citizens just as cruel so there is not really strange they treat the animals the same way.
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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
August 12 2011 06:06 GMT
#45
This is sad. I really don't know how I feel about animal rights and whatever, but this definitely doesn't seem right to me.


On a different note, this is actually fascinating if it's true and it really was suicide as opposed to just a fit of rage. I had no idea animals could think in that way.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
August 12 2011 06:06 GMT
#46
On August 12 2011 15:05 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:04 rift wrote:
Traditional Chinese medicine is a farce just like any other form of medicine lacking clinically-proven efficacy. Of course, people all over the world believe in imaginary deities and fictional history, so I'm sure this is considered completely rational to uneducated "practitioners".


You're not the first expert on chinese medicine that's popped up here. I think it's stupid to suggest that natural medicine with thousands of years of history behind it has nothing to offer.


Most of it is utter bullshit.
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
August 12 2011 06:07 GMT
#47
I wonder how many other captive animals would commit suicide given the option...
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AustinCM
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada275 Posts
August 12 2011 06:07 GMT
#48
"Traditional" Remedies and Medicine are a total joke, people should get with reality and stop believing and relying on pseudo science horse shit.
"Somewhere, Something incredible is waiting to be known." -Carl Sagan
Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
August 12 2011 06:08 GMT
#49
On August 12 2011 15:05 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:04 rift wrote:
Traditional Chinese medicine is a farce just like any other form of medicine lacking clinically-proven efficacy. Of course, people all over the world believe in imaginary deities and fictional history, so I'm sure this is considered completely rational to uneducated "practitioners".


You're not the first expert on chinese medicine that's popped up here. I think it's stupid to suggest that natural medicine with thousands of years of history behind it has nothing to offer.


Normally I agree with your posts, but this is pretty silly. There are ALOT of things that have been around for thousands of years that I don't think you'd really agree are legitimate.
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
August 12 2011 06:08 GMT
#50
Fuck people who do stuff like this, man.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
August 12 2011 06:08 GMT
#51
This is so sad. Animal cruelty is an abomination and is absolutely horrible, but this is even worse. I don't even know what to call it
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mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
August 12 2011 06:09 GMT
#52
On August 12 2011 15:00 travis wrote:
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On August 12 2011 14:55 Equity213 wrote:
They do this with chickens all over the world. They're kept in cages too small for them to move, and their beaks are cut off too or else they kill themselves with it.


Do they? While I am not surprised, I believe the primary reason for debeaking is that they hurt the other chickens.


group suicide cult?

Before we get started on the morality of eating animals, I'd just like to say this:

There is no way around it... eating animals is immoral by most accounts. However, there is no effective alternative (no the entire world can't turn into vegetarians). Furthermore, some of the practices these slaughterhouses take are disgusting. I wish that companies would improve conditions at least humanity figures out how to synthesize meat. But this is very unlikely because it will make food more expensive and then we haven't done anything.



But this is just absolute crap.
We talkin about PRACTICE
Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
August 12 2011 06:09 GMT
#53
On August 12 2011 15:04 Hypemeup wrote:
She killed herself running into a wall headfirst? I realise they are heavy and all but dont bears have super thick skulls?


i'm guessing she broke her own neck rather than breaking her own skull.
UNFUCK YOURSELF
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
August 12 2011 06:10 GMT
#54
Sigh. So fking sad. Chinese ppl stop doing this . I know animal cruelty happens in tons of areas of agriculture, but it always just makes me fking sad. Wish all agriculture used humane practices, even though that's mostly an empty gesture too.
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
August 12 2011 06:11 GMT
#55
On August 12 2011 15:04 SmOkeYNaGaTa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:03 travis wrote:
On August 12 2011 15:02 SmOkeYNaGaTa wrote:
Animals have intelligence beyond what we could imagine. Very sad story to hear.

However, we'd be hypocrites to criticize this in a non-vegan world. Where would one draw the line between human and inhumane treatment of animals? Or between too unintelligent and intelligent to use as product?

This type of news account often antagonizes the East for essentially the same practices as the West. Whether it's a bear, cow, or rabbit, who are we to judge which animal is too sacred or too intelligent to kill.


Maybe you missed the part where it was being tortured.



Only if we turn a blind eye to the torture of animals worldwide.

...Which we DON'T. Killing animals for meat is fine, but you don't have to fucking torture them and that is looked down upon by most people.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-12 06:11:38
August 12 2011 06:11 GMT
#56
This is really terrible.. its absolutely horrible what they do to those poor bears :/

Nothing against China in general - have been there for a few months etc, but they allow some really outdated and horrible practices. (Also think eating monkey brains...)
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
August 12 2011 06:11 GMT
#57
On August 12 2011 15:08 Fission wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:05 travis wrote:
On August 12 2011 15:04 rift wrote:
Traditional Chinese medicine is a farce just like any other form of medicine lacking clinically-proven efficacy. Of course, people all over the world believe in imaginary deities and fictional history, so I'm sure this is considered completely rational to uneducated "practitioners".


You're not the first expert on chinese medicine that's popped up here. I think it's stupid to suggest that natural medicine with thousands of years of history behind it has nothing to offer.


Normally I agree with your posts, but this is pretty silly. There are ALOT of things that have been around for thousands of years that I don't think you'd really agree are legitimate.


What about acupuncture? Is it nonsense?
Rebel_lion
Profile Joined January 2009
United States271 Posts
August 12 2011 06:12 GMT
#58
Just ask the workers who were getting ready to gut a cub. When momma broke out, did they know they had done something wrong? I bet they got the fuck away from the cub quick.

I've been in a few scarier situations, and you always wonder how and why. That said animal cruelty is old hat. Don't much care, and i kinda enjoy the food. However the deeper sociological meanings inherent in these animal behaviors are interesting.

did she kill the baby? was it suicide or botched escape attempt? There are some questions here. Plus its from freaking china. Those animals were asking for it, being near china and all. Who knows. It seems suspect but could confirm what i've always suspected.
Something witty here....
Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
August 12 2011 06:13 GMT
#59
On August 12 2011 15:11 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:08 Fission wrote:
On August 12 2011 15:05 travis wrote:
On August 12 2011 15:04 rift wrote:
Traditional Chinese medicine is a farce just like any other form of medicine lacking clinically-proven efficacy. Of course, people all over the world believe in imaginary deities and fictional history, so I'm sure this is considered completely rational to uneducated "practitioners".


You're not the first expert on chinese medicine that's popped up here. I think it's stupid to suggest that natural medicine with thousands of years of history behind it has nothing to offer.


Normally I agree with your posts, but this is pretty silly. There are ALOT of things that have been around for thousands of years that I don't think you'd really agree are legitimate.


What about acupuncture? Is it nonsense?


Well its probably mainly placebo effect tbh... i've had about 15 or so acupuncture sessions and i'm still pretty on the fence about that. If it does something its definitely not what they claim (cure all).

A lot of people try it to see if it helps with whatever random ailment.
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
August 12 2011 06:13 GMT
#60
On August 12 2011 15:11 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 15:08 Fission wrote:
On August 12 2011 15:05 travis wrote:
On August 12 2011 15:04 rift wrote:
Traditional Chinese medicine is a farce just like any other form of medicine lacking clinically-proven efficacy. Of course, people all over the world believe in imaginary deities and fictional history, so I'm sure this is considered completely rational to uneducated "practitioners".


You're not the first expert on chinese medicine that's popped up here. I think it's stupid to suggest that natural medicine with thousands of years of history behind it has nothing to offer.


Normally I agree with your posts, but this is pretty silly. There are ALOT of things that have been around for thousands of years that I don't think you'd really agree are legitimate.


What about acupuncture? Is it nonsense?


Like the first guy, I normally agree with you, but this thread is about these bears. This is only going to derail the thread more.
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