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On August 11 2011 01:59 darthfoley wrote:
meh, not a fan of an obvious roid user, whatever his work ethic may be. It's like cheating on a test and your excuse is that you're a straight A student. You still cheated.
Still, i don't like to see people die.
RIP
Yeah, all those poor less muscular people out in the world must feel like shit when they were robbed of their gold medals because Zyzz cheated. wait what?
He wasn't competing in anything how the hell is he cheating?
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On August 11 2011 02:03 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:59 darthfoley wrote:
meh, not a fan of an obvious roid user, whatever his work ethic may be. It's like cheating on a test and your excuse is that you're a straight A student. You still cheated.
Still, i don't like to see people die.
RIP Yeah, all those poor less muscular people out in the world must feel like shit when they were robbed of their gold medals because Zyzz cheated. wait what? He wasn't competing in anything how the hell is he cheating?
If it were me, i'd feel like i'm cheating myself by using steroids. But, that's just my take on it. I don't expect you to agree with me and i respect your opinion anyways.
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i think you guys taking the word cheating in a wrong context.
I think it's the fact that a lot of people admire him for his physical qualities (not sure on this?) and that he got to it through use of a substance that GREATLY enhances performance and results. I'm not downplaying his workouts, because after reading that article about his workout schedule it seems pretty solid.
anyways, too much argument on here. I agree with what someone else said before. I don't find him inspirational at all, but I can understand that some others would.
rip
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On August 11 2011 01:09 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life  Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff.
Lol isnt that exactly why he pumped himself full of all that shit. Becouse he couldnt be arsed to put it what it takes to look like that the natural way. What he stood for was exactly the easy way out.
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On August 11 2011 02:08 manloveman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:09 SolHeiM wrote:On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff. Lol isnt that exactly why he pumped himself full of all that shit. Becouse he couldnt be arsed to put it what it takes to look like that the natural way. What he stood for was exactly the easy way out.
He didn't start his first cycle until 1-2years into the training, he already looked amazing but he started a cycle so he could get through a plateau.
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On August 11 2011 02:17 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 02:08 manloveman wrote:On August 11 2011 01:09 SolHeiM wrote:On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff. Lol isnt that exactly why he pumped himself full of all that shit. Becouse he couldnt be arsed to put it what it takes to look like that the natural way. What he stood for was exactly the easy way out. He didn't start his first cycle until 1-2years into the training, he already looked amazing but he started a cycle so he could get through a plateau.
This... I don't understand why so many people are making assumptions about things they know very little about...
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On August 11 2011 01:42 MasterFischer wrote:
So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either.
You seem to know nothing about the subject at hand (Zyzz and anabolic steroids as it were). PLease stop defacing a thread where his fans and admirers express their gratitude and sorrow.
Also not even gonna honor ToxNub's post by quoting it. You're just sad man.
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On August 11 2011 02:06 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 02:03 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:59 darthfoley wrote:
meh, not a fan of an obvious roid user, whatever his work ethic may be. It's like cheating on a test and your excuse is that you're a straight A student. You still cheated.
Still, i don't like to see people die.
RIP Yeah, all those poor less muscular people out in the world must feel like shit when they were robbed of their gold medals because Zyzz cheated. wait what? He wasn't competing in anything how the hell is he cheating? If it were me, i'd feel like i'm cheating myself by using steroids. But, that's just my take on it. I don't expect you to agree with me and i respect your opinion anyways.
You're drawing a moral line that's made for you by the government. If steroids were legal would you still say its cheating? If so, then what about protein powders, or creatine? Those both greatly improve performance, is that cheating (creatine is in fact legal in some countries and illegal in others, making it even more of a quandary)? Hell, even going to a gym could be seen as cheating, gyms don't really crop up in nature by themselves.
Any logical thinker can see that its not an issue of morality, but an issue of risk vs reward. Zyzz probably had more fun, and had more sex with girls in 22 years than people have in their whole lives. Steroids obviously come with great rewards. There, is on the other hand a clear risk, steroids are known to cause health problems (even though I GUARANTEE his death had very little to do with his steroid use, much more likely his use of cocaine, ecstasy and ya ba, a popular thai meth based drug, and his heart condition). It is up to you PERSONALLY to decide if the risk outweighs the reward for YOU. For some people it does, for some people it doesn't, but it is a personal decision.
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On August 11 2011 02:36 samd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 02:06 darthfoley wrote:On August 11 2011 02:03 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:59 darthfoley wrote:
meh, not a fan of an obvious roid user, whatever his work ethic may be. It's like cheating on a test and your excuse is that you're a straight A student. You still cheated.
Still, i don't like to see people die.
RIP Yeah, all those poor less muscular people out in the world must feel like shit when they were robbed of their gold medals because Zyzz cheated. wait what? He wasn't competing in anything how the hell is he cheating? If it were me, i'd feel like i'm cheating myself by using steroids. But, that's just my take on it. I don't expect you to agree with me and i respect your opinion anyways. You're drawing a moral line that's made for you by the government. If steroids were legal would you still say its cheating? If so, then what about protein powders, or creatine? Those both greatly improve performance, is that cheating (creatine is in fact legal in some countries and illegal in others, making it even more of a quandary)? Hell, even going to a gym could be seen as cheating, gyms don't really crop up in nature by themselves. Any logical thinker can see that its not an issue of morality, but an issue of risk vs reward. Zyzz probably had more fun, and had more sex with girls in 22 years than people have in their whole lives. Steroids obviously come with great rewards. There, is on the other hand a clear risk, steroids are known to cause health problems (even though I GUARANTEE his death had very little to do with his steroid use, much more likely his use of cocaine, ecstasy and ya ba, a popular thai meth based drug, and his heart condition). It is up to you PERSONALLY to decide if the risk outweighs the reward for YOU. For some people it does, for some people it doesn't, but it is a personal decision.
I don't think the line is all that arbitrary, I prefer to avoid using supplements in general, choosing to stick with a regular, slightly more protein heavy diet. Some supplements have more adverse side effects than others, with steroids being in that danger zone which is why a number of them are illegal.
It's not about what's found in nature but more about the health risk involved, it's potentially a major health sacrifice that can speed up results. It is an opinion at the end of the day, to him the risk was worth the reward, and it may have contributed to his death, to some of the other people commenting, it's perceiving as silly.
I don't think it's immoral, I think it's just unfortunate and a lifestyle I wouldn't particularly agree with.
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On August 11 2011 02:46 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 02:36 samd wrote:On August 11 2011 02:06 darthfoley wrote:On August 11 2011 02:03 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:59 darthfoley wrote:
meh, not a fan of an obvious roid user, whatever his work ethic may be. It's like cheating on a test and your excuse is that you're a straight A student. You still cheated.
Still, i don't like to see people die.
RIP Yeah, all those poor less muscular people out in the world must feel like shit when they were robbed of their gold medals because Zyzz cheated. wait what? He wasn't competing in anything how the hell is he cheating? If it were me, i'd feel like i'm cheating myself by using steroids. But, that's just my take on it. I don't expect you to agree with me and i respect your opinion anyways. You're drawing a moral line that's made for you by the government. If steroids were legal would you still say its cheating? If so, then what about protein powders, or creatine? Those both greatly improve performance, is that cheating (creatine is in fact legal in some countries and illegal in others, making it even more of a quandary)? Hell, even going to a gym could be seen as cheating, gyms don't really crop up in nature by themselves. Any logical thinker can see that its not an issue of morality, but an issue of risk vs reward. Zyzz probably had more fun, and had more sex with girls in 22 years than people have in their whole lives. Steroids obviously come with great rewards. There, is on the other hand a clear risk, steroids are known to cause health problems (even though I GUARANTEE his death had very little to do with his steroid use, much more likely his use of cocaine, ecstasy and ya ba, a popular thai meth based drug, and his heart condition). It is up to you PERSONALLY to decide if the risk outweighs the reward for YOU. For some people it does, for some people it doesn't, but it is a personal decision. I don't think the line is all that arbitrary, I prefer to avoid using supplements in general, choosing to stick with a regular, slightly more protein heavy diet. Some supplements have more adverse side effects than others, with steroids being in that danger zone which is why a number of them are illegal. It's not about what's found in nature but more about the health risk involved, it's potentially a major health sacrifice that can speed up results.
I was responding to the guy who said it was "cheating" because he was taking a shortcut. I was pointing out that there are a LOT of things that can be considered taking a shortcut.
Also, your post confirms mine. You say that your personal decision was to not take any supplements at all. You made a decision based on weighing the risks and rewards. That's exactly what I'm saying people should do. For you it is at one end of the spectrum, for people like Zyzz the other end. But it is a personal decision.
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On August 11 2011 02:08 manloveman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:09 SolHeiM wrote:On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff. Lol isnt that exactly why he pumped himself full of all that shit. Becouse he couldnt be arsed to put it what it takes to look like that the natural way. What he stood for was exactly the easy way out.
What you don't understand is he trained because he loved it, not for the body or the girls but how it made him feel. Pumped up, confident, high on life, etc. Your body has a natural limit, and once he hit a plateau he made the decision to get on the gear and keep on progressing.
However, sadly you will probably never understand this as I doubt you'll be motivated enough to get off your ass and put in the hard work. People who workout for the girls and the body always inevitably quit before they get far. It's only those who love it that can be fucked to hit the gym 5 days a week for years. Many of the ones that don't will be jelly and hate on those that do.
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On August 11 2011 02:36 samd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 02:06 darthfoley wrote:On August 11 2011 02:03 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:59 darthfoley wrote:
meh, not a fan of an obvious roid user, whatever his work ethic may be. It's like cheating on a test and your excuse is that you're a straight A student. You still cheated.
Still, i don't like to see people die.
RIP Yeah, all those poor less muscular people out in the world must feel like shit when they were robbed of their gold medals because Zyzz cheated. wait what? He wasn't competing in anything how the hell is he cheating? If it were me, i'd feel like i'm cheating myself by using steroids. But, that's just my take on it. I don't expect you to agree with me and i respect your opinion anyways. You're drawing a moral line that's made for you by the government. If steroids were legal would you still say its cheating? If so, then what about protein powders, or creatine? Those both greatly improve performance, is that cheating (creatine is in fact legal in some countries and illegal in others, making it even more of a quandary)? Hell, even going to a gym could be seen as cheating, gyms don't really crop up in nature by themselves. Any logical thinker can see that its not an issue of morality, but an issue of risk vs reward. Zyzz probably had more fun, and had more sex with girls in 22 years than people have in their whole lives. Steroids obviously come with great rewards. There, is on the other hand a clear risk, steroids are known to cause health problems (even though I GUARANTEE his death had very little to do with his steroid use, much more likely his use of cocaine, ecstasy and ya ba, a popular thai meth based drug, and his heart condition). It is up to you PERSONALLY to decide if the risk outweighs the reward for YOU. For some people it does, for some people it doesn't, but it is a personal decision.
Kudos to you brother, for making one of the most sensible posts in this thread There's no right and wrong here it's however you choose to live your life. You can do whatever you want with your body, just be aware of the risks and rewards and don't let either blind you.
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On August 11 2011 02:48 Seldentar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 02:08 manloveman wrote:On August 11 2011 01:09 SolHeiM wrote:On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff. Lol isnt that exactly why he pumped himself full of all that shit. Becouse he couldnt be arsed to put it what it takes to look like that the natural way. What he stood for was exactly the easy way out. What you don't understand is he trained because he loved it, not for the body or the girls but how it made him feel. Pumped up, confident, high on life, etc. Your body has a natural limit, and once he hit a plateau he made the decision to get on the gear and keep on progressing. However, sadly you will probably never understand this as I doubt you'll be motivated enough to get off your ass and put in the hard work. People who workout for the girls and the body always inevitably quit before they get far. It's only those who love it that can be fucked to hit the gym 5 days a week for years.
I know it may be hard for you to understand that ppl can be motivated without roids&drugs but please dont go attacking them. if u just wanted to "mourn" this dude why even bother going aggressive and arguing etc...just let it go
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On August 11 2011 02:17 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 02:08 manloveman wrote:On August 11 2011 01:09 SolHeiM wrote:On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff. Lol isnt that exactly why he pumped himself full of all that shit. Becouse he couldnt be arsed to put it what it takes to look like that the natural way. What he stood for was exactly the easy way out. He didn't start his first cycle until 1-2years into the training, he already looked amazing but he started a cycle so he could get through a plateau.
NO THAT'S INCONCEIVABLE HE HAD TO HAVE BEEN A DRUG SUCKIN' ROID PUMPIN' IRON DUMPIN' JUICEHOUND
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On August 11 2011 03:00 sopas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 02:48 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 02:08 manloveman wrote:On August 11 2011 01:09 SolHeiM wrote:On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:
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In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff. Lol isnt that exactly why he pumped himself full of all that shit. Becouse he couldnt be arsed to put it what it takes to look like that the natural way. What he stood for was exactly the easy way out. What you don't understand is he trained because he loved it, not for the body or the girls but how it made him feel. Pumped up, confident, high on life, etc. Your body has a natural limit, and once he hit a plateau he made the decision to get on the gear and keep on progressing. However, sadly you will probably never understand this as I doubt you'll be motivated enough to get off your ass and put in the hard work. People who workout for the girls and the body always inevitably quit before they get far. It's only those who love it that can be fucked to hit the gym 5 days a week for years. I know it may be hard for you to understand that ppl can be motivated without roids&drugs but please dont go attacking them. if u just wanted to "mourn" this dude why even bother going aggressive and arguing etc...just let it go rip
I don't do roids or drugs and I'm motivated to workout for the same reason he was. I also never had the intention of attacking anybody, I think you totally misread me
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big inspiration to me.
Awesome guy
R.I.P
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from what i understand, steroids lets you work out harder and longer, so actually you're not "cheating", you're putting in more effort at the gym, rather than less.
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This guy really started to grow on me, when i saw this thread i started to look at his videos and give it all a little research, really sad to see him gone.
Wish i discovered his work earlier.
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Rest in peace brother. Thanks for the inspiration. Why is life only temporary...
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Him being inspirational can be a bad thing. Working out is supposed to be about bettering your health and working through "plateaus" without taking the easy way out. Doing illegal drugs that damage your health is not something that people should be looking up to.
Him doing steroids and being inspirational is an issue of morality only because other people are looking up to him and seeing a guy that does roids and drugs. Him doing crack and meth should be looked down upon a long with his roid usage, unless of course we want to see more people drop dead at the age of 22.
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