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On August 11 2011 01:33 Cpt.beefy wrote:
Hes dead because he choose the easiest way too look muscly : steriods and weight lifting.
Hes was idiot with low self-esteem. If he really was full of inspiration etc.... He would of promoted his self-change in a better way.
He may of been funny and entertaining but he was NOT an inspiration.
Haters gonna hate, you obviously didn't even know the guy
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On August 11 2011 01:29 MasterFischer wrote:
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing.
That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse 
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On August 11 2011 01:31 samd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:29 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:27 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:23 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:14 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:10 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:05 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:[quote] If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding. Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders. So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity. He inspired me but that doesn't mean i'm going to start roiding, you are insinuating that people don't have a mind of their own, kind of like how soccer moms think that voilent videogames turn people into killers. You are discarding the fact that inspirational figures like you claim this guy is using and abusing drugs to get BIG, might not have a negative effect on young impressionable kids and teens, and get them to get the wrong idea about it all? Young impressionable kids and teens shouldn't even be lifting weights in the first place, it's not Zyzz fault that these kids don't have any parents. If you are old enough to start lifting weights and work out seriously you are old enough to know that you should stay away from steroids. Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all. It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape? That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out. WHO CARES DUDE. It was a personal choice of HIS to take steroids. You are one of those "stop liking what I like" moral-douchebags. Get off your fucking high horse. Your elitist douchebaggery is making ME want to take steroids just to spite you.
I think that "Drugs are bad" is a little bit different from "Stop liking what I don't like"...
Not sure if either are entirely appropriate in this thread, but I don't really know what to say about this guy looking at the before and after pictures someone posted earlier. He didn't like the way he was and made the effort to make a change in his life, I don't think he went about it right way though. Making an effort to push yourself and change what you don't like is great and all, but sacrificing his health to do so may have cost him his life.
It's rather unfortunate either way.
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On August 11 2011 01:36 insaneMicro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:29 MasterFischer wrote:
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing. That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse
Seriously. Its so disrespectful to judge and talk about someones personal choices (even if they were poor at times) after they have just passed away. It sounds like he had his good points also, we should focus on those. Would you like it if people only looked at your flaws after you passed away?
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On August 11 2011 01:36 insaneMicro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:29 MasterFischer wrote:
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing. That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse
So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either.
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On August 11 2011 01:39 MorningView wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:36 insaneMicro wrote:On August 11 2011 01:29 MasterFischer wrote:
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing. That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse Seriously. Its so disrespectful to judge and talk about someones personal choices (even if they were poor at times) after they have just passed away. It sounds like he had his good points also, we should focus on those. Would you like it if people only looked at your flaws after you passed away?
Yea, unfortunately that's what tends to happen when a bunch of strangers evaluate someone they know little about... but whatever I know Zyzz wouldn't care. He actually appreciated his haters.
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Sounds like a douche. Sorry to hear he owned himself.
Admiration is an interesting thing... Would you guys admire a maphacker? Sure, it still takes effort, but give me a break. The whole point is that cheating robs you of bragging rights.
Do you admire some guy who drives a porsche if he stole it? He KILLED HIMSELF. That should be a big red flag that he wasn't a good role model. You guys are so weird that you can cherry pick things like that. Oh, i only admire him for his good qualities. Well, shit. Couldn't you just pick any random hobo off the street, ignore all his bad, and then call him a role model? I don't think you understand what a role model is supposed to be.
edit: yeah, and im sure he "earned" his genetic gifts too
"I can be like him"
no you can't.
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On August 11 2011 01:42 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:36 insaneMicro wrote:On August 11 2011 01:29 MasterFischer wrote:
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing. That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either.
eh thats just a really bad analogy.
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On August 11 2011 01:42 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:36 insaneMicro wrote:On August 11 2011 01:29 MasterFischer wrote:
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing. That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either.
Wow. If you haven't noticed, people that "admire" him, don't admire his steroid use. They admired his will to change and his work ethic.
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On August 11 2011 01:45 AoN.DimSum wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:42 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:36 insaneMicro wrote:On August 11 2011 01:29 MasterFischer wrote:
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing. That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either. eh thats just a really bad analogy.
I'm just saying that, I don't think inspiration and motivation should or COULD be drawn from ANYTHING, regardless of how much effort is put into it..
It's okay that some people admire and inspired by hitler too? He dedicated himself and his work ethic to murdering millions... yeah, he was efficient, he was intelligent -....
well.. anyway.. im out
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On August 11 2011 01:42 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:36 insaneMicro wrote:On August 11 2011 01:29 MasterFischer wrote:
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing. That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either.
Could you please stop with the "drug addict" bullshit, he admitted to taking drugs once or twice every couple of months during festivals, if you think that's being a drug addict then by your logic 90% of the adults on this planet are alcoholics because they go out drinking on the weekends.
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yeah it's kind of bad, not really bad - he makes some good points.
i can't think of any role models in my life that regularly does something that i would consider to be negative (to an extreme comparable with zyzz's drug and steroid use). It's cool that he went from a gaming-nerd to a huge "celeb"-status dude, but really, he shouldn't be worshiped over that. Maybe you guys don't understand but once you start working out (ESPECIALLY if you never worked out before and just started) and begin to see results, your self esteem tends to increase a lot and you become more motivated to workout harder. Now.. imagine this on steroids. anyone can take steroids and workout and see AMAZING results - obviously their self esteem and confidence would skyrocket.
it's cool that people liked him for his personality and for remembering him as a cool guy, but in all seriousness i'm seeing a little too much 'dcik skcunig' and it's making me sick
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rest in peace, god among men
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EDIT: I put the off-topic bullshit in a spoiler.
RIP Zyzz.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 11 2011 01:44 ToxNub wrote:
Sounds like a douche. Sorry to hear he owned himself.
Admiration is an interesting thing... Would you guys admire a maphacker? Sure, it still takes effort, but give me a break. The whole point is that cheating robs you of bragging rights.
Do you admire some guy who drives a porsche if he stole it? He KILLED HIMSELF. That should be a big red flag that he wasn't a good role model. You guys are so weird that you can cherry pick things like that. Oh, i only admire him for his good qualities. Well, shit. Couldn't you just pick any random hobo off the street, ignore all his bad, and then call him a role model? I don't think you understand what a role model is supposed to be.
edit: yeah, and im sure he "earned" his genetic gifts too
"I can be like him"
no you can't. Who exactly is he competing against here? He isn't cheating anyone, and it was his personal choice to use whatever he wants. If he didn't have such an astounding attitude towards his haters, these posts would just be very sad.. And who is cherry picking here? Have you actually looked at his background or the work ethic he promoted for others? You're the one who's just focusing on one aspect of his life (most likely a factor in his death, but not even the main cause) and assuming that he just injected and took a nap to build his body the way he did. On August 11 2011 01:42 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:36 insaneMicro wrote:On August 11 2011 01:29 MasterFischer wrote:
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing. That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either. It doesn't exactly take a strong work ethic to keep a heroin* addiction going. And nobody is looking up to addicts here because the aura that they carry is much different than a geek with no self-esteem who changed himself through hard work into a confident, inspiring, funny individual. And I'm pretty sure that with his chosen lifestyle and what he has said about his plans for life and death, dying wasn't really of his main concern. If he has no problem with dying young, then why should you have a problem with his choice to do so? And just for the record, who cares if someone uses heroin anyway, as long as they don't encourage others to use it..
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On August 11 2011 01:54 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:45 AoN.DimSum wrote:On August 11 2011 01:42 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:36 insaneMicro wrote:On August 11 2011 01:29 MasterFischer wrote:
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing. That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either. eh thats just a really bad analogy. I'm just saying that, I don't think inspiration and motivation should or COULD be drawn from ANYTHING, regardless of how much effort is put into it.. It's okay that some people admire and inspired by hitler too? He dedicated himself and his work ethic to murdering millions... yeah, he was efficient, he was intelligent -.... well.. anyway.. im out
Your analogies are pretty ridiculous...
I don't agree with his attitude towards life and even I can understand what people draw from him.
The change he aimed to make in his life was positive, the way he went about it was wrong. When you use Hitler as a comparator, you sort of ruin anything you could say afterwards, is it really even necessary to refute why this is nothing like using Hitler as inspiration, Hitler's end goal was absolutely idiotic as was his means of achieving it.
Someone can be inspirational and still have issues, I don't find this individual inspirational at all, but I'm not surprised that there are some people who do.
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meh, not a fan of an obvious roid user, whatever his work ethic may be. It's like cheating on a test and your excuse is that you're a straight A student. You still cheated.
Still, i don't like to see people die.
RIP
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On August 11 2011 01:42 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:36 insaneMicro wrote:On August 11 2011 01:29 MasterFischer wrote:
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing. That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either.
Heroine is different to roids. You're not hurting anyone else by taking roids, whereas pushing heroine is hurting the people you sell to and the communities they are part of. You can't compare heroine to roids.
Just because he took roids, which I can't see an argument against unless he was competing, that doesn't make his gains and mindset any less inspirational. He never encouraged the use of roids.
All you're doing is shitting up this thread with your bullshit that no one needs to hear.
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MasterFischer can I be honest with you? I think I'm your closest friend... I think it's me and you against the world buddy. Like Incontrol and Deezer! We're just two peas in a pod.
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On August 11 2011 01:59 darthfoley wrote:
meh, not a fan of an obvious roid user, whatever his work ethic may be. It's like cheating on a test and your excuse is that you're a straight A student. You still cheated.
Still, i don't like to see people die.
RIP
What is he cheating at though? Life? Getting girls? (big muscles obviously help)
If he's entering the olympics or playing professional baseball, that's one thing. If he just is doing it for fun, that's another thing entirely
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