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On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpg
He even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455
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"For those of you that didn't know him, I'll explain a little about how he lived his life. He lived for training and events, and he loved his trance. His attitude was to live in the now. He didn't hold grudges and he was good to everyone around him, even those that seemed hostile. He's the only person I've known who is so selfish but so selfless at the same time. We can all learn a lot from him. He's touched so many. His body was statueqsue, but it's more than that. So many young kids now are training, eating healthily and having fun with life because of him. Zyzz's memory will live on, and his spirit will show through today's youth. Love you bro."
I saw this comment here and wanted to post it so people know a little more about him: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/facebook-favourite-and-aspiring-model-aziz-shavershian-22-dies-in-thailand-sauna/story-e6freuzi-1226111960086
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On August 11 2011 00:47 Seldentar wrote:
For those of you that didn't know him, I'll explain a little about how he lived his life. He lived for training and events, and he loved his trance. His attitude was to live in the now. He didn't hold grudges and he was good to everyone around him, even those that seemed hostile. He's the only person I've known who is so selfish but so selfless at the same time. We can all learn a lot from him. He's touched so many. His body was statueqsue, but it's more than that. So many young kids now are training, eating healthily and having fun with life because of him. Zyzz's memory will live on, and his spirit will show through today's youth. Love you bro.
edit: done
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On August 11 2011 00:48 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 00:47 Seldentar wrote:
For those of you that didn't know him, I'll explain a little about how he lived his life. He lived for training and events, and he loved his trance. His attitude was to live in the now. He didn't hold grudges and he was good to everyone around him, even those that seemed hostile. He's the only person I've known who is so selfish but so selfless at the same time. We can all learn a lot from him. He's touched so many. His body was statueqsue, but it's more than that. So many young kids now are training, eating healthily and having fun with life because of him. Zyzz's memory will live on, and his spirit will show through today's youth. Love you bro.
edit: done
Haha sorry I accidentally posted it before I was finished 
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On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life  Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
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On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
They are blaming it on drug abuse. Anabolic steroid abuse is proven to be a very large contributor in cardiovascular diseases like heart attacks and strokes. If he had a pre existing heart condition that's even worse.
Drug abuse is bad, it kills people. I don't know why, in a thread where a 22 year old male who appears far healthier than probably everyone in this thread died people are trying to argue that there are no risks or that people are misinformed. Clearly there are risks. Every male should get their physicals done regularly, especially so if you are going to use drugs.
There are definitely people who think steroids are much more dangerous than they are, but for every one of them there's an incredibly impressionable person who thinks because it helps in creating muscle mass, giving the image of being healthy, that there is no risk involved. The truth is pretty obviously somewhere between the two
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On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
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On August 11 2011 00:55 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. They are blaming it on drug abuse. Anabolic steroid abuse is proven to be a very large contributor in cardiovascular diseases like heart attacks and strokes. If he had a pre existing heart condition that's even worse. Drug abuse is bad, it kills people. I don't know why, in a thread where a 22 year old male who appears far healthier than probably everyone in this thread died people are trying to argue that there are no risks or that people are misinformed. Clearly there are risks. Every male should get their physicals done regularly, especially so if you are going to use drugs. There are definitely people who think steroids are much more dangerous than they are, but for every one of them there's an incredibly impressionable person who thinks because it helps in creating muscle mass, giving the image of being healthy, that there is no risk involved. The truth is pretty obviously somewhere between the two
I hope I didn't give the impression that I thought there were no risks. I totally agree with you, the truth is a balance between the two views
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On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
Ok we get it, you don't want to mourn him because you and your uneducated opinions regarding steroid use doesn't match his.
From your latest posts it's painfully obvious that you have no clue how steroids work and just base your opinion on FOX news latest article on dbol.
To the rest of us in this thread you come of as a guy that thinks he's smart and trying to convince everyone here that Zyzz doesn't deserve to be mourned because he used steroids.
If he doesn't deserve your pity, what is the point of you being in this thread? it's obvious that you are just trying to push your morals on everyone else here.
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On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
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You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Dude, you're an idiot. How's middle school anti-drug classes working for you? Also why are people posting in this thread if they're just here to talk shit about the God? Have some fucking respect please.
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Wait a moment...
Why were the second video uploaded on the 8 of July ?
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On August 10 2011 18:49 DNB wrote:On a more serious note, I always loved his trolling. Below example: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TZqh6.jpg)
Hell of a guy to be inspired by everyone!
And there's most certainly a major link between steroid use and cardiovascular issues.
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On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious
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On August 11 2011 01:02 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour Ok we get it, you don't want to mourn him because you and your uneducated opinions regarding steroid use doesn't match his. From your latest posts it's painfully obvious that you have no clue how steroids work and just base your opinion on FOX news latest article on dbol. To the rest of us in this thread you come of as a guy that thinks he's smart and trying to convince everyone here that Zyzz doesn't deserve to be mourned because he used steroids. If he doesn't deserve your pity, what is the point of you being in this thread? it's obvious that you are just trying to push your morals on everyone else here.
Since you wrote the book on the medical results and conditions of drug abuse etc., care to educate me and elaborate on how I am misinformed then? Since you take it, than I am ignorant, and only watch Fox news (I'm not even american, lol).. then please, educate me, and let me bask in the light of your unending knowledge of power.
I was simply asking why people mourn him so much, given that he clearly made his own demise apparent, knowingly, it seems.
I mean death is always sad, but it seems to me that this guy was practically inviting it over for dinner and a cookie.
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We shouldn't be criticizing the choices he made in his life and talking about his steroid abuse. Everyone is entitled to choices of their own and it sounds like he was only hurting himself. I read a decent amount on him after reading this and it seems to me like while he may have had his personal problems, he was a nice guy. RIP
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On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
I geniunely feel sorry for you, if you can't see what's blatantly in front of your face, then you will never understand :/
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On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
Then get out of the thread. No one cares about your opinion. You sit up there on your high horse thinking you're better than him. Why? I don't understand people like you.
Guess it comes down to the fact that haters gonna hate, and that haters will never leave you alone. Haters keep you going and make you push forward.
Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff.
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On August 11 2011 01:06 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:02 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour Ok we get it, you don't want to mourn him because you and your uneducated opinions regarding steroid use doesn't match his. From your latest posts it's painfully obvious that you have no clue how steroids work and just base your opinion on FOX news latest article on dbol. To the rest of us in this thread you come of as a guy that thinks he's smart and trying to convince everyone here that Zyzz doesn't deserve to be mourned because he used steroids. If he doesn't deserve your pity, what is the point of you being in this thread? it's obvious that you are just trying to push your morals on everyone else here. Since you wrote the book on the medical results and conditions of drug abuse etc., care to educate me and elaborate on how I am misinformed then? Since you take it, than I am ignorant, and only watch Fox news (I'm not even american, lol).. then please, educate me, and let me bask in the light of your unending knowledge of power. I was simply asking why people mourn him so much, given that he clearly made his own demise apparent, knowingly, it seems. I mean death is always sad, but it seems to me that this guy was practically inviting it over for dinner and a cookie.
People have already told you why he's being mourned, but you were to hellbent on your crusade against steroids to notice.
On August 10 2011 22:28 aztecx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. I think it has more to do with his outlook on life and the message he conveyed to others. He was a typical teenager with low self-esteem, and through perseverance and hard work he changed that.
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On August 11 2011 01:05 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious
Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding.
Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders.
So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity.
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