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On August 11 2011 00:55 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. They are blaming it on drug abuse. Anabolic steroid abuse is proven to be a very large contributor in cardiovascular diseases like heart attacks and strokes. If he had a pre existing heart condition that's even worse. Drug abuse is bad, it kills people. I don't know why, in a thread where a 22 year old male who appears far healthier than probably everyone in this thread died people are trying to argue that there are no risks or that people are misinformed. Clearly there are risks. Every male should get their physicals done regularly, especially so if you are going to use drugs. There are definitely people who think steroids are much more dangerous than they are, but for every one of them there's an incredibly impressionable person who thinks because it helps in creating muscle mass, giving the image of being healthy, that there is no risk involved. The truth is pretty obviously somewhere between the two
There is difference between being healthy and being 10% bf , 180lbs, using steroids, no cardio and having a history of heart problems in the family.
Zyzz was far from healthy, and he definitely brought this on himself.
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On August 11 2011 01:09 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life  Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) Then get out of the thread. No one cares about your opinion. You sit up there on your high horse thinking you're better than him. Why? I don't understand people like you. Guess it comes down to the fact that haters gonna hate, and that haters will never leave you alone. Haters keep you going and make you push forward. Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff.
Well said man, haters gonna hate. Zyzz appreciated his haters as much as his fans because really they're the reason why he become the person he was.
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On August 11 2011 01:09 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) Then get out of the thread. No one cares about your opinion. You sit up there on your high horse thinking you're better than him. Why? I don't understand people like you. Guess it comes down to the fact that haters gonna hate, and that haters will never leave you alone. Haters keep you going and make you push forward. Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff.
Not really, I just fail to see the argument and reason WHY you should take inspiration and aspire to be like this guy.. That's my only gripe, because that's mainly what people seem to praise this guy for.. I'm just curious as to why, because I don't understand how the arguments presented here, makes this all possible..
I'm not on anybodys high horse.
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On August 11 2011 01:06 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:02 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour Ok we get it, you don't want to mourn him because you and your uneducated opinions regarding steroid use doesn't match his. From your latest posts it's painfully obvious that you have no clue how steroids work and just base your opinion on FOX news latest article on dbol. To the rest of us in this thread you come of as a guy that thinks he's smart and trying to convince everyone here that Zyzz doesn't deserve to be mourned because he used steroids. If he doesn't deserve your pity, what is the point of you being in this thread? it's obvious that you are just trying to push your morals on everyone else here. Since you wrote the book on the medical results and conditions of drug abuse etc., care to educate me and elaborate on how I am misinformed then? Since you take it, than I am ignorant, and only watch Fox news (I'm not even american, lol).. then please, educate me, and let me bask in the light of your unending knowledge of power. I was simply asking why people mourn him so much, given that he clearly made his own demise apparent, knowingly, it seems. I mean death is always sad, but it seems to me that this guy was practically inviting it over for dinner and a cookie.
Because he inspired people to go to the gym, to get off their asses and work for something hard, to know that they can always become somehow better? People connect with him because he was like them. He was a normal internet geek who, unlike other internet geeks, had the motivation to do something about it. And then, when he got huge, and got attention from everyone, he didn't bail on his roots. He realized the girls giving him attention now that he was jacked were shallow bitches. Thus he made it his life duty to troll the fuck out of them.
Also, what is your fucking problem? When Amy Winehouse died, did you say "oh, she deserved it, she was an alcoholic?". When Chris Farley died, "oh, he was on a lot of drugs, good riddance"? Literally, you have no reason to be posting in this thread, except making people who respected him feel bad. That is fucking sick.
Also, your knowledge of drugs/steroids is hilariously laughable (you sound like a 15 year old). You can get paralyzed from doing coke even once? Are you joking? Do you even know how drugs work. I can guarantee that his death wasn't simply due to steroids. It was a perfect storm of things, including a genetic heart disease.
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On August 11 2011 01:10 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:05 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding. Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders. So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity.
He inspired me but that doesn't mean i'm going to start roiding, you are insinuating that people don't have a mind of their own, kind of like how soccer moms think that voilent videogames turn people into killers.
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On August 11 2011 01:12 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:09 SolHeiM wrote:On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) Then get out of the thread. No one cares about your opinion. You sit up there on your high horse thinking you're better than him. Why? I don't understand people like you. Guess it comes down to the fact that haters gonna hate, and that haters will never leave you alone. Haters keep you going and make you push forward. Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff. Not really, I just fail to see the argument and reason WHY you should take inspiration and aspire to be like this guy.. That's my only gripe, because that's mainly what people seem to praise this guy for.. I'm just curious as to why, because I don't understand how the arguments presented here, makes this all possible.. I'm not on anybodys high horse.
Why does he inspire me? Have you seen the pictures of what he looked like before he began hitting the gym? That is why he inspires me. He didn't just pop a pill, lift a weight and KABOOM all of a sudden he's ripped. That's not how steroids work, but that's obviously how you appear to think they work.
He wanted to change, and he did it. That's all I care about. The fact that he took steroids doesn't matter to me, because he put in years of hard work.
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On August 11 2011 01:13 samd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:06 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:02 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour Ok we get it, you don't want to mourn him because you and your uneducated opinions regarding steroid use doesn't match his. From your latest posts it's painfully obvious that you have no clue how steroids work and just base your opinion on FOX news latest article on dbol. To the rest of us in this thread you come of as a guy that thinks he's smart and trying to convince everyone here that Zyzz doesn't deserve to be mourned because he used steroids. If he doesn't deserve your pity, what is the point of you being in this thread? it's obvious that you are just trying to push your morals on everyone else here. Since you wrote the book on the medical results and conditions of drug abuse etc., care to educate me and elaborate on how I am misinformed then? Since you take it, than I am ignorant, and only watch Fox news (I'm not even american, lol).. then please, educate me, and let me bask in the light of your unending knowledge of power. I was simply asking why people mourn him so much, given that he clearly made his own demise apparent, knowingly, it seems. I mean death is always sad, but it seems to me that this guy was practically inviting it over for dinner and a cookie. Because he inspired people to go to the gym, to get off their asses and work for something hard, to know that they can always become somehow better? People connect with him because he was like them. He was a normal internet geek who, unlike other internet geeks, had the motivation to do something about it. And then, when he got huge, and got attention from everyone, he didn't bail on his roots. He realized the girls giving him attention now that he was jacked were shallow bitches. Thus he made it his life duty to troll the fuck out of them. Also, what is your fucking problem? When Amy Winehouse died, did you say "oh, she deserved it, she was an alcoholic?". When Chris Farley died, "oh, he was on a lot of drugs, good riddance"? Literally, you have no reason to be posting in this thread, except making people who respected him feel bad. That is fucking sick. Also, your knowledge of drugs/steroids is hilariously laughable (you sound like a 15 year old). You can get paralyzed from doing coke even once? Are you joking? Do you even know how drugs work. I can guarantee that his death wasn't simply due to steroids. It was a perfect storm of things, including a genetic heart disease.
Never said anybody deserved anything. I feel sad about people dying I do, but like I said, it comes with the way you live your life.
Amy whinehouse was no surprise either, I didn't pity her all that much or through a tantrum of surprise, the girl lived the way she did, of course she was going down... poor thing
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I myself at first this was just another one of his marketing schemes... But the more time passes, the more information is presented to me the more I am starting to believe he is actually dead.. Even though the character we all know as "Zyzz" was somewhat of a douchebag, I'm sure the man behind that character was an amazing guy. Will be missed by many, you are where you belong now. With the Gods. Always mirin'
~Zach
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On August 11 2011 01:16 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:12 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:09 SolHeiM wrote:On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) Then get out of the thread. No one cares about your opinion. You sit up there on your high horse thinking you're better than him. Why? I don't understand people like you. Guess it comes down to the fact that haters gonna hate, and that haters will never leave you alone. Haters keep you going and make you push forward. Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff. Not really, I just fail to see the argument and reason WHY you should take inspiration and aspire to be like this guy.. That's my only gripe, because that's mainly what people seem to praise this guy for.. I'm just curious as to why, because I don't understand how the arguments presented here, makes this all possible.. I'm not on anybodys high horse. Why does he inspire me? Have you seen the pictures of what he looked like before he began hitting the gym? That is why he inspires me. He didn't just pop a pill, lift a weight and KABOOM all of a sudden he's ripped. That's not how steroids work, but that's obviously how you appear to think they work. He wanted to change, and he did it. That's all I care about. The fact that he took steroids doesn't matter to me, because he put in years of hard work.
The time to reach muscle growth and the size of muscle growth is VASTLY increased, artificially, with the use of drugs. I know that much. In short, drugs are a much much quicker way to become ripped, than doing it the old fashioned way... It's the same with people on diets..
No real diets ever worked, compared to healthy living, eating and exercising, no amount of diet advice is gonna fix that if you live sparsly e.g.
Diets and steroids are quick fixes, to get what you want, alot faster, but by skipping vital steps of both psysical and psychological means. I've seen that over and over again in friends and family. I even know friends who used to take steroids, and they became fucking bombly ripped in no time, working-out just as much as regular guys... so ?
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On August 11 2011 01:14 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:10 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:05 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote:
If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system. In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems. Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding. Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders. So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity. He inspired me but that doesn't mean i'm going to start roiding, you are insinuating that people don't have a mind of their own, kind of like how soccer moms think that voilent videogames turn people into killers.
You are discarding the fact that inspirational figures like you claim this guy is using and abusing drugs to get BIG, might not have a negative effect on young impressionable kids and teens, and get them to get the wrong idea about it all?
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Does anybody have a pic of him before he got yolked?
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On August 11 2011 01:23 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:14 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:10 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:05 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:
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In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding. Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders. So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity. He inspired me but that doesn't mean i'm going to start roiding, you are insinuating that people don't have a mind of their own, kind of like how soccer moms think that voilent videogames turn people into killers. You are discarding the fact that inspirational figures like you claim this guy is using and abusing drugs to get BIG, might not have a negative effect on young impressionable kids and teens, and get them to get the wrong idea about it all?
Young impressionable kids and teens shouldn't even be lifting weights in the first place, it's not Zyzz fault that these kids don't have any parents. If you are old enough to start lifting weights and work out seriously you are old enough to know that you should stay away from steroids.
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Does this guy have a website or something? I have never heard of him.
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On August 11 2011 01:23 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:14 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:10 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:05 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:29 Seldentar wrote:
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In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone. And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out.. You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs. Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids.. I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness.. He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit. Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding. Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders. So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity. He inspired me but that doesn't mean i'm going to start roiding, you are insinuating that people don't have a mind of their own, kind of like how soccer moms think that voilent videogames turn people into killers. You are discarding the fact that inspirational figures like you claim this guy is using and abusing drugs to get BIG, might not have a negative effect on young impressionable kids and teens, and get them to get the wrong idea about it all?
I'm still confused as to why you're posting in this thread? Do you really enjoy ruining people's days that much? You are really sick person.
Also you lost any credibility you had when you said cocaine could paralyze you if you did it once. That is literally one of THE stupidest comments ive ever read on the internet.
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On August 11 2011 01:27 grobo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:23 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:14 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:10 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:05 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote:
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And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding. Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders. So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity. He inspired me but that doesn't mean i'm going to start roiding, you are insinuating that people don't have a mind of their own, kind of like how soccer moms think that voilent videogames turn people into killers. You are discarding the fact that inspirational figures like you claim this guy is using and abusing drugs to get BIG, might not have a negative effect on young impressionable kids and teens, and get them to get the wrong idea about it all? Young impressionable kids and teens shouldn't even be lifting weights in the first place, it's not Zyzz fault that these kids don't have any parents. If you are old enough to start lifting weights and work out seriously you are old enough to know that you should stay away from steroids.
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
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On August 11 2011 01:29 MasterFischer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:27 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:23 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:14 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:10 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:05 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:44 Seldentar wrote:[quote] Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs. That being said, this is his mindset: http://i.imgur.com/VsSST.jpgHe even predicted he would die young: http://www.formspring.me/azyzz/q/219720644701483455 If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding. Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders. So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity. He inspired me but that doesn't mean i'm going to start roiding, you are insinuating that people don't have a mind of their own, kind of like how soccer moms think that voilent videogames turn people into killers. You are discarding the fact that inspirational figures like you claim this guy is using and abusing drugs to get BIG, might not have a negative effect on young impressionable kids and teens, and get them to get the wrong idea about it all? Young impressionable kids and teens shouldn't even be lifting weights in the first place, it's not Zyzz fault that these kids don't have any parents. If you are old enough to start lifting weights and work out seriously you are old enough to know that you should stay away from steroids. Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all. It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape? That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
WHO CARES DUDE. It was a personal choice of HIS to take steroids. You are one of those "stop liking what I like" moral-douchebags. Get off your fucking high horse. Your elitist douchebaggery is making ME want to take steroids just to spite you.
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Hes dead because he choose the easiest way too look muscly : steriods and weight lifting.
Hes was idiot with low self-esteem. If he really was full of inspiration etc.... He would of promoted his self-change in a better way.
He may of been funny and entertaining but he was NOT an inspiration.
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On August 11 2011 01:33 Cpt.beefy wrote:
Hes dead because he choose the easiest way too look muscly : steriods and weight lifting.
Hes was idiot with low self-esteem. If he really was full of inspiration etc.... He would of promoted his self-change in a better way.
He may of been funny and entertaining but he was NOT an inspiration.
He inspired me, and countless other people, therefore he's an inspiration. Be more mad/jealous please.
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On August 11 2011 01:31 samd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 01:29 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:27 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:23 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:14 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:10 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 01:05 grobo wrote:On August 11 2011 01:03 MasterFischer wrote:On August 11 2011 00:57 Seldentar wrote:On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote:[quote] If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him? We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?.. That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on. But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community. Of course not, you can live your life however suits you. Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there.. AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating) How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding. Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders. So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity. He inspired me but that doesn't mean i'm going to start roiding, you are insinuating that people don't have a mind of their own, kind of like how soccer moms think that voilent videogames turn people into killers. You are discarding the fact that inspirational figures like you claim this guy is using and abusing drugs to get BIG, might not have a negative effect on young impressionable kids and teens, and get them to get the wrong idea about it all? Young impressionable kids and teens shouldn't even be lifting weights in the first place, it's not Zyzz fault that these kids don't have any parents. If you are old enough to start lifting weights and work out seriously you are old enough to know that you should stay away from steroids. Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all. It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape? That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out. WHO CARES DUDE. It was a personal choice of HIS to take steroids. You are one of those "stop liking what I like" moral-douchebags. Get off your fucking high horse. Your elitist douchebaggery is making ME want to take steroids just to spite you.
ROFL me too, let it be known that if I get on the roids I owe it all to Masterfischer
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