For those of you who do not who zyzz was he was a amateur bodybuilder/model who who released a series of you tube videos and brought fame to himself through silly antics of tektonic dancing everywhere openly admitting to steroids. His lingo consisted of Aesthetics, Umirin( you admiring), come at me brah, Ujelly (you jelous)
he was found dead in a Sauna in Thailand, controversial character to say the least but to me and my friends he was quite funny and a small representation of our lives. Even though there is no cause of death relieved yet, cannot help but think it was from the steroids he openly admitted to using. Heart attack at age 22 quite sad.
Rip Zyzz, rank 14 high warlord in vanilla wow to amateur body builder
A PIN-UP boy of Sydney's amateur bodybuilding scene has died after apparently suffering a cardiac arrest in Bangkok.
Russian-born Aziz Sergeyevich Shavershian, known as Zyzz, died after being found unconscious in a sauna, a post on his fanpage said yesterday.
The 22-year-old did not compete in bodybuilding competitions but built a strong reputation with tens of thousands of Facebook fans who admired his muscle-flexing and adopted his vision of "getting aesthetic".
Mr Shavershian, who began bodybuilding after completing his HSC to build strength and attract girls, lived in Eastwood in Sydney's northern suburbs and was a personal trainer, aspiring model and part-time stripper.
He also sold a whey protein supplement named Protein of the Gods.
Posts on a Facebook memorial page said Mr Shavershian suffered a cardiac arrest three days ago. His 25-year-old brother Said, who is also a bodybuilder and known as Chestbrah, said he was devastated by the death.
Did you know Zyzz? Tell us below
"Would do anything to have you back home safe with me. 22 years old. U were far too young," he wrote on Facebook.
"I F ... miss you sooo much my baby brother, I can't live without you comeback please. Don't do this to me."
Chestbrah was last week fined $400 in Parramatta Local Court for possessing anabolic steroids. Fanpage zzyzcentral.com said the cause and circumstances of Mr Shavershian's death were unknown: "It is a sad day for all of those whose lives Zyzz inspired and motivated. The best way we can cherish his memory is by living life to the fullest, by training hard, getting aesthetic and not taking life too serious."
The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade confirmed a 22-year-old NSW man died in Thailand.
Steroids + coke + sauna + dehydration do not go well together. I'm really not sold on this quest of the "perfect body". It seems that it leads to a lot of excesses (eventhough his death is not clearly linked to what he took, it definitely looks fishy).
Never heard of that dude before today but 22 is a crappy age to die at so RIP :/
On August 10 2011 06:43 dapierow wrote: Typical... I search zyzz to see if theres a topic and turns out they spelled it zzyz lol... hopefully this thread doesn't get locked like the last one
I did that too but couldn't find anything so I just made a post in the TLHF thread :p
Yeah I read this last night. Wasn't sure if it was a troll or not then. Sad times... he got carried away with shit in Thailand. "Like a kid in a candy shop"
The other thread on this was closed, but I'll just repeat myself here, with emphasis:
The good ones go young I guess. I once talked to him on bb.com, he was actually a very articulate & intelligent guy when he was not putting on the persona. Rest in peace Az, may you be mired forever.
Also please cut the roid talk until his death is investigated fully. He was very knowledgable in that field, he'd know better than to randomly inject thai celltech.
Wow, can't believe I heard this first on TL of all places. Zyzz was inspirational and it's sad that he's gone, I can barely believe it. He inspired many, including myself to start lifting for aesthetics.
To any ignorant posters, pre-empting from replies in other threads, do not hate because Zyzz took steroids, steroids do not cause cardiac arrest and he never lied about his use.
Didnt know about him but still sad. A friend of a friend died at that age under pretty much exactly the same circumstances. Well the sauna was not in thailand and he didnt use steroids but was a top athlete. Apparently the first sympthoms of some heart problems is death.
On August 10 2011 07:09 Gescom wrote: "thai celltech"
Sounds like futuristic mech addons. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Heh.
Celltech is code on bb.com for anabolic steroids, shoulda been clear about that. It comes from some ridiculous dietary supplement which used to be advertised with hilarious claims.
On August 10 2011 07:15 hypnoxide wrote: Wow, can't believe I heard this first on TL of all places. Zyzz was inspirational and it's sad that he's gone, I can barely believe it. He inspired many, including myself to start lifting for aesthetics.
To any ignorant posters, pre-empting from replies in other threads, do not hate because Zyzz took steroids, steroids do not cause cardiac arrest and he never lied about his use.
Steroids can cause heart problems though, which can cause cardiac arrest. It's highly unlikely that he would have died from cardiac arrest at such a young age if he didn't take steroids.
On August 10 2011 07:15 hypnoxide wrote: Wow, can't believe I heard this first on TL of all places. Zyzz was inspirational and it's sad that he's gone, I can barely believe it. He inspired many, including myself to start lifting for aesthetics.
To any ignorant posters, pre-empting from replies in other threads, do not hate because Zyzz took steroids, steroids do not cause cardiac arrest and he never lied about his use.
Steroids can cause heart problems though, which can cause cardiac arrest. It's highly unlikely that he would have died from cardiac arrest at such a young age if he didn't take steroids.
Well steroids were most definitely a contributing factor to his death it was probably not the only contributing factor. Possibly drugs and alcohol were the catalyst to his death. But then again steroids is a pretty vague and general term. There are so many steroids out there and it really depends on how much you take and what your taking that contribute to potential problems.
saying don't take steroids cause there bad is like saying dont have sex because of STDs. Just research how to do it safely.
Sucks that he passed at such a young age, I hope his death does not get used for propaganda against steroids. But increases awareness about there potential pitfalls if taken lightly or abused.
If your going to do steroids please do so under the supervision of a doctor and don't mix drugs. In the end its not really worth it. Allot of guys I worked with in the past took roids and one of them tried to kill himself because it ruined his marriage and the others went back to normal size soon after quieting.
Also please cut the roid talk until his death is investigated fully. He was very knowledgable in that field, he'd know better than to randomly inject thai celltech.
Or maybe he was so knowledgeable in the field that he thought he knew better and he really didn't.
Unless you're a doctor specializing in steroid treatments, you can be injecting yourself with steroids for years and you are not going to be an expert on safe usage. After a certain amount of use you're just dodging the bullet pretty much every time, is this going to be the shot that weakens my heart enough that I'm going to have a heart attack?
On August 10 2011 07:49 Facedriller wrote: This guy took steroids? I'm close to as big as him and i'm only 18, no steroids here either.
become a body builder you must have amazing genetics. However if you want to compete you will have to go on copious amounts of roids and HGH.
Seriously though this guys physique was good and I doubt you are as big as him and as ripped without any juice. The human body simply cannot maintain a weight of over 230 pounds while being below 5-8% body fat. You need help or you have insane genetics.
miscers and /btards everywhere are mourning the loss of an internet icon, sad day for trolling this is, past all the anabolic/thermogenic/cocaine use he was a great jokester at the very least.
I bet it wasn't the steriod that killed him. It's very rare for a person his age that has been using them to suffer any serious internal damage.
Depends on how long and how heavily he was using them, but you're right you don't usually see 22 year olds dying of heart attacks even from heavy steroid use.
He might have had some kind of minor genetic heart condition that was so minor that no one even knew about it, that body-building + steroids exacerbated over a period of years. There's got to be some kind of explanation for why his heart just gave out.
Also please cut the roid talk until his death is investigated fully. He was very knowledgable in that field, he'd know better than to randomly inject thai celltech.
Or maybe he was so knowledgeable in the field that he thought he knew better and he really didn't.
Unless you're a doctor specializing in steroid treatments, you can be injecting yourself with steroids for years and you are not going to be an expert on safe usage. After a certain amount of use you're just dodging the bullet pretty much every time, is this going to be the shot that weakens my heart enough that I'm going to have a heart attack?
I think someone can be an expert on something without even going to school for it, Google is a wonderful thing. Granted you have to take a lot of the information with a grain of salt and cross reference stuff if you can't find reliable sources. But most MD doctors don't have much experience with steroids themselves.
Shooting yourself with steroids isn't like that at all if you play it safe and aren't just cruising on 3g of test a week for years. Unless your and idiot and inject into your vein then your pretty much asking for it.
On August 10 2011 07:15 hypnoxide wrote: Wow, can't believe I heard this first on TL of all places. Zyzz was inspirational and it's sad that he's gone, I can barely believe it. He inspired many, including myself to start lifting for aesthetics.
To any ignorant posters, pre-empting from replies in other threads, do not hate because Zyzz took steroids, steroids do not cause cardiac arrest and he never lied about his use.
Steroids can cause heart problems though, which can cause cardiac arrest. It's highly unlikely that he would have died from cardiac arrest at such a young age if he didn't take steroids.
The link states that it increases risk in conjunction with pre-existing conditions. Blood pressure and cholesterol are only effected while cycling. Though steroids do increase heart muscle mass, it would not have had such an adverse effect at a young age from a short period of usage. It was more likely it was the large recreational use of cocaine and ecstasy.
On August 10 2011 07:49 Facedriller wrote: This guy took steroids? I'm close to as big as him and i'm only 18, no steroids here either.
become a body builder you must have amazing genetics. However if you want to compete you will have to go on copious amounts of roids and HGH.
Seriously though this guys physique was good and I doubt you are as big as him and as ripped without any juice. The human body simply cannot maintain a weight of over 230 pounds while being below 5-8% body fat. You need help or you have insane genetics.
The reason he looks so "huge" is the fact that he's very lean, he's no way near 230 pounds, and i'd guess that he's around 185-190 lbs, he's also pretty tall (6ft 1-2'') from what i've heard.
Also, from looking at his videos, his strength isnt that great either, i saw him repping the 110lb dumbbells as many times as i repped 120s (this was when i was started cutting aswell).
So i'm not impressed strength wise, which i should if he's on roids and also 4 years older than me, and i've seen a whole lot bigger 22 year olds (natural).
On August 10 2011 08:00 Martinni wrote: Was he really rank 14 in vanilla wow, mad props to him if it's true! Any proof?
Is it true that all rank 14 WoW vanilla players are giant muscle dudes?
Considering the primary factor in getting Rank 14 in Vanilla WoW was hours spent grinding battlegrounds (people fluff it up and call it "dedication" now), I'd imagine not.
Are we suppose to be impressed by you facedriller or ? This is not a 'I am bigger than him' bragging thread, it's a thread about an human that just passed away.
Keep your bragging for yourself, nobody care if u are big or not.
On August 10 2011 07:49 Facedriller wrote: This guy took steroids? I'm close to as big as him and i'm only 18, no steroids here either.
become a body builder you must have amazing genetics. However if you want to compete you will have to go on copious amounts of roids and HGH.
Seriously though this guys physique was good and I doubt you are as big as him and as ripped without any juice. The human body simply cannot maintain a weight of over 230 pounds while being below 5-8% body fat. You need help or you have insane genetics.
The reason he looks so "huge" is the fact that he's very lean, he's no way near 230 pounds, and i'd guess that he's around 185-190 lbs, he's also pretty tall (6ft 1-2'') from what i've heard.
Also, from looking at his videos, his strength isnt that great either, i saw him repping the 110lb dumbbells as many times as i repped 120s (this was when i was started cutting aswell).
So i'm not impressed strength wise, which i should if he's on roids and also 4 years older than me, and i've seen a whole lot bigger 22 year olds (natural).
do you honestly have nothing better to do than to be in this thread saying "lol i'm younger and stronger and bigger than him what a pussy". show some fucking respect or get the fuck out.
On August 10 2011 08:00 Martinni wrote: Was he really rank 14 in vanilla wow, mad props to him if it's true! Any proof?
Is it true that all rank 14 WoW vanilla players are giant muscle dudes?
Considering the primary factor in getting Rank 14 in Vanilla WoW was hours spent grinding battlegrounds (people fluff it up and call it "dedication" now), I'd imagine not.
Also, RIP.
He was a rank 14 in Vanilla but turned to body builder. Watch his YouTube vids.
I think someone can be an expert on something without even going to school for it, Google is a wonderful thing. Granted you have to take a lot of the information with a grain of salt and cross reference stuff if you can't find reliable sources. But most MD doctors don't have much experience with steroids themselves.
You can be an expert through experience. I don't think a 22-year old can be called an expert on using steroids unless he's been using them since he was 14 or something.
Very true, most MD doctors don't have much experience with steroids themselves, that's why it's a specialist field like anesthesiology.
Shooting yourself with steroids isn't like that at all if you play it safe and aren't just cruising on 3g of test a week for years. Unless your and idiot and inject into your vein then your pretty much asking for it.
Well we don't know what his regimen was or even if he was still using steroids, so who knows. I have several friends who have used or are using steroids, all of them thought they were playing it safe and by and large they were but they weren't able to avoid negative side effects because they were in fact not experts and were not doing it safely. Yes none of their symptoms were very unsafe, most of them it was just some back and chest acne, but still, they were probably using just a little too much because they weren't experts.
On August 10 2011 07:49 Facedriller wrote: This guy took steroids? I'm close to as big as him and i'm only 18, no steroids here either.
become a body builder you must have amazing genetics. However if you want to compete you will have to go on copious amounts of roids and HGH.
Seriously though this guys physique was good and I doubt you are as big as him and as ripped without any juice. The human body simply cannot maintain a weight of over 230 pounds while being below 5-8% body fat. You need help or you have insane genetics.
The reason he looks so "huge" is the fact that he's very lean, he's no way near 230 pounds, and i'd guess that he's around 185-190 lbs, he's also pretty tall (6ft 1-2'') from what i've heard.
Also, from looking at his videos, his strength isnt that great either, i saw him repping the 110lb dumbbells as many times as i repped 120s (this was when i was started cutting aswell).
So i'm not impressed strength wise, which i should if he's on roids and also 4 years older than me, and i've seen a whole lot bigger 22 year olds (natural).
do you honestly have nothing better to do than to be in this thread saying "lol i'm younger and stronger and bigger than him what a pussy". show some fucking respect or get the fuck out.
The thing i'm trying to dispute here is the people saying that he's on steroids, which i cant believe. Isnt that respectful? saying that he reached that physique without illegal drugs?
I have allways been inspired by Zyzz, workout etc his personality and he was a funny person and nice troll @ bodybuilding forums loved when he posted pictures of his facebook convos etc.
He did a nice interview and explained his motivations etc
I think someone can be an expert on something without even going to school for it, Google is a wonderful thing. Granted you have to take a lot of the information with a grain of salt and cross reference stuff if you can't find reliable sources. But most MD doctors don't have much experience with steroids themselves.
You can be an expert through experience. I don't think a 22-year old can be called an expert on using steroids unless he's been using them since he was 14 or something.
Very true, most MD doctors don't have much experience with steroids themselves, that's why it's a specialist field like anesthesiology.
Shooting yourself with steroids isn't like that at all if you play it safe and aren't just cruising on 3g of test a week for years. Unless your and idiot and inject into your vein then your pretty much asking for it.
Well we don't know what his regimen was or even if he was still using steroids, so who knows. I have several friends who have used or are using steroids, all of them thought they were playing it safe and by and large they were but they weren't able to avoid negative side effects because they were in fact not experts and were not doing it safely. Yes none of their symptoms were very unsafe, most of them it was just some back and chest acne, but still, they were probably using just a little too much because they weren't experts.
He has gone on record saying that his favorite anabolic was trenbolone, which is by most accounts one of the most dangerous yet powerful compounds available. Yet again, I'm inclined to think that his death was a combination of having a congenital defect, perhaps irresponsible anabolic/thermogenic use, and a taste for drugs that are quite hard on the heart (coke and ecstasy chiefly). Steroids were not the cause, I can almost guarantee, but they may have played a role.
Why do you think he started all those catch-phrases loll? (you mirin etc etc.). He was a massive troll and he played video games a lot like anyone on these forums.
In all these threads there seems to be so much written about him but no one knows him IRL, he came from my area and I can say there are a lot of inaccuracies being thrown around :/.
This guy was an enormous tool. His death is sad for fans but...look at his life. I'm not trolling, it's just that this guys was a clown. Sorry for his friends and family I suppose.
I'm surprised he's called "an inspiration" or a "role-model". I know a lot of people started working out after seeing his videos and (funny) brag posts, and he certainly was good-looking, but he was pretty outspoken about using anabolic steroids as a shortcut to acquire muscle mass. I would like to know how many persons started thinking about using steroids as a little push thanks to him, or how many started playing "mad professor" in the internet, reading guides and using drugs bought in shady websites. Of course, doing coke is hard to the heart, but the risk of heart damage provoked by steroids has been proven. It's perfectly fine to be sad because he died but people should stop making him some kind of hero and downplaying the danger of steroids.
On August 10 2011 08:01 urasheep wrote: aware OP. misc reppin' err day
noooo doubt
i myself am a hardcore-bro-bodybuilder, and for me the next step in evolving my jackedness, aka aesthetics, is the juice.
'err one likes to talk shit about'em. allot of the people who talk mad smack about roids are the smae peeps takin other non-steroidal suppllemets to get stronger or what have you. those people are what i like to call hypocrites/posers. if you're gonna be takin un-natural supplements to up your testosterone, might as well take something that works, and works very well at upping your test levels.
am i advocating steroid use? most definitely, but only if done the correct way/non-abusive. steroids are a drug like anything else you can buy legally, but most be done in moderation.
you know what they say, 'err thang in moderation, especially moderation
rip. never knew about him but from seeing wwhat people wrote, i guess he was a well known figure.
steroids are bad. dont use them.
To be honest, adding some facts together, i dont think steroids were the main reason for his death. Most definitely a contributing factor, but probably something about doing drugs. Seeing those videos of him dancing and the music he listens to + living in thailand (where stimulant drugs such as e or other synthetics are very popular) makes me believe that it was more due to what he probably did in his social life..
While having a pre-existing heart problem can cause you to drop dead at a young age it's hard to imagine that, not really steroids but, the fact that it's known he did coke and ecstasy, which are both very powerful stimulants and are pretty taxing on your heart, played a role. Always sad to see someone die young like this and since I don't know his personal health record I can't say it was "x" or "y" reason why he died. However I think we can all agree though that using powerful steroids, cocaine, ecstasy along with having a pretty rigorous workout routine is asking for trouble, especially when it comes to the heart. Still sad.
On August 10 2011 07:09 Gescom wrote: "thai celltech"
Sounds like futuristic mech addons. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Heh.
Celltech is code on bb.com for anabolic steroids, shoulda been clear about that. It comes from some ridiculous dietary supplement which used to be advertised with hilarious claims.
Celltech is a Creatine produced by this company that overprices their shit by so much
go face-plant on 30 diks bro......have some respect
What? if I did 10 grams of cocaine and died I'm sure lots of people would be quick to say I'm a fucking retard for doing so, and they would be right. How is this shit any different? He dies of a heart attack in a sauna because hes taking mass amounts of steroids. It's his own fucking fault for being such a vain idiot that he is willing to sacrifice his health and risk death to gain muscle.
go face-plant on 30 diks bro......have some respect
What? if I did 10 grams of cocaine and died I'm sure lots of people would be quick to say I'm a fucking retard for doing so, and they would be right. How is this shit any different? He dies of a heart attack in a sauna because hes taking mass amounts of steroids. It's his own fucking fault for being such a vain idiot that he is willing to sacrifice his health and risk death to gain muscle.
go face-plant on 30 diks bro......have some respect
What? if I did 10 grams of cocaine and died I'm sure lots of people would be quick to say I'm a fucking retard for doing so, and they would be right. How is this shit any different? He dies of a heart attack in a sauna because hes taking mass amounts of steroids. It's his own fucking fault for being such a vain idiot that he is willing to sacrifice his health and risk death to gain muscle.
go face-plant on 30 diks bro......have some respect
What? if I did 10 grams of cocaine and died I'm sure lots of people would be quick to say I'm a fucking retard for doing so, and they would be right. How is this shit any different? He dies of a heart attack in a sauna because hes taking mass amounts of steroids. It's his own fucking fault for being such a vain idiot that he is willing to sacrifice his health and risk death to gain muscle.
Why did you even post in the first place?
I posted because I think the guy is a gigantic tool and I'm not gonna miss him. Just like all of the other steroid ridden fake tan stupid haircut idiots of the world. I can't have respect for anyone who poisons themselves to look better.
On August 10 2011 08:37 Kennigit wrote: Very sad day, true inspiration to nerd betas everywhere.
U aware brah?
It is true though. I'll admit, Zyzz was the reason I finally took lifting weights serious. He showed me how you can achieve (almost) anything you set your mind to with dedication.
go face-plant on 30 diks bro......have some respect
What? if I did 10 grams of cocaine and died I'm sure lots of people would be quick to say I'm a fucking retard for doing so, and they would be right. How is this shit any different? He dies of a heart attack in a sauna because hes taking mass amounts of steroids. It's his own fucking fault for being such a vain idiot that he is willing to sacrifice his health and risk death to gain muscle.
Why did you even post in the first place?
I posted because I think the guy is a gigantic tool and I'm not gonna miss him. Just like all of the other steroid ridden fake tan stupid haircut idiots of the world. I can't have respect for anyone who poisons themselves to look better.
go face-plant on 30 diks bro......have some respect
What? if I did 10 grams of cocaine and died I'm sure lots of people would be quick to say I'm a fucking retard for doing so, and they would be right. How is this shit any different? He dies of a heart attack in a sauna because hes taking mass amounts of steroids. It's his own fucking fault for being such a vain idiot that he is willing to sacrifice his health and risk death to gain muscle.
Why did you even post in the first place?
I posted because I think the guy is a gigantic tool and I'm not gonna miss him. Just like all of the other steroid ridden fake tan stupid haircut idiots of the world. I can't have respect for anyone who poisons themselves to look better.
Your posts are pointless and you're hating for the sake of hating. A guy just died. I don't see what's so hateable about zyzz.
go face-plant on 30 diks bro......have some respect
What? if I did 10 grams of cocaine and died I'm sure lots of people would be quick to say I'm a fucking retard for doing so, and they would be right. How is this shit any different? He dies of a heart attack in a sauna because hes taking mass amounts of steroids. It's his own fucking fault for being such a vain idiot that he is willing to sacrifice his health and risk death to gain muscle.
Why did you even post in the first place?
I posted because I think the guy is a gigantic tool and I'm not gonna miss him. Just like all of the other steroid ridden fake tan stupid haircut idiots of the world. I can't have respect for anyone who poisons themselves to look better.
go face-plant on 30 diks bro......have some respect
What? if I did 10 grams of cocaine and died I'm sure lots of people would be quick to say I'm a fucking retard for doing so, and they would be right. How is this shit any different? He dies of a heart attack in a sauna because hes taking mass amounts of steroids. It's his own fucking fault for being such a vain idiot that he is willing to sacrifice his health and risk death to gain muscle.
So, when are you going to justify saying "Good riddance"?
go face-plant on 30 diks bro......have some respect
What? if I did 10 grams of cocaine and died I'm sure lots of people would be quick to say I'm a fucking retard for doing so, and they would be right. How is this shit any different? He dies of a heart attack in a sauna because hes taking mass amounts of steroids. It's his own fucking fault for being such a vain idiot that he is willing to sacrifice his health and risk death to gain muscle.
Why did you even post in the first place?
I posted because I think the guy is a gigantic tool and I'm not gonna miss him. Just like all of the other steroid ridden fake tan stupid haircut idiots of the world. I can't have respect for anyone who poisons themselves to look better.
u mad? yeah u mad.
why are you indulging someone that just has a varying opinion? the "stop disliking what I like" mindset isn't getting you anywhere. he doesn't like him, and clearly you're not helping. granted neither am I, but there's nothing to "help" here.
You can have whatever opinion you want on zyzz, just dont be a fucking asshole about it. If you articulate your thoughts well, people will probably appreciate them more and be inclined to respect them. I JUST BLEW YOUR MIND!
On August 10 2011 09:46 Kennigit wrote: You can have whatever opinion you want on zyzz, just dont be a fucking asshole about it. If you articulate your thoughts well, people will probably appreciate them more and be inclined to respect them. I JUST BLEW YOUR MIND!
You know, I was not a fan of how he could be a douche sometimes, but he provided people with good information, he was a good bodybuilder and athlete even though he was juicing. RIP
This is pretty nuts. I really would like to know what the rule the cause of death to be. I had just stumbled on his videos lately and was really getting into the gym more and more.
If it's true, then R.I.P... Reading some of these posts is really disgusting. Looking aside the steroids use, it is still saddening to see someone pass away. People who take steroids and other things know the risks that they get themselves into. This reminds me how people look down on smokers and trying to educate them when they know well enough what they're getting themselves into. It is their body, so respect it.
As for some of these other comments regarding fitness... LOL. Everyone has a different body obviously and some exercises, supplements, etc work at a different pace for the individual. I love reading egocentric comments on here and elsewhere where the douche likes to one up the last person. ya bro, I can bench twice my weight. amirite? Get real.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! I'm bawling my eyes out right now... the world just lost the most amazing person I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. I'm totally and utterly speechless... RIP Az I hope to see you again one day...
On August 10 2011 09:58 aaronlolol wrote: You know, I was not a fan of how he could be a douche sometimes, but he provided people with good information, he was a good bodybuilder and athlete even though he was juicing. RIP
His online "Douche" persona was a made up persona that he played up to become popular. In person he was the nicest guy ever, he was extremely intelligent, and almost everyone who knew him would agree with me that he's overall one of the most amazing people you will ever know...
For those jumping to the assumption that steroids killed him, while they MIGHT have factored in slightly by weakening his heart a bit, they're not the main cause. There's confirmation from friends extremely close to Az (aka Zyzz) that he overdosed on coke.
On August 10 2011 06:46 ChApFoU wrote: Steroids + coke + sauna + dehydration do not go well together.
On August 10 2011 10:39 Probe1 wrote: Hows this for articulated. I thought the thread title said Zasz at first. I am very disappointed at the lack of cerebrates in this thread.
And here I thought I was the only one who couldn't read!
his message of motivation, or rather, self motivation was something that hit home with me and will be missed.
Where can I find this message?
It's everywhere really. He talks about how he looks forward to training, makes it fun and enjoyable, does it with his friends, logs his progress and how he's improving..and he managed to be a grounded, fun guy while doing it. He will be missed
On August 10 2011 07:15 hypnoxide wrote: Wow, can't believe I heard this first on TL of all places. Zyzz was inspirational and it's sad that he's gone, I can barely believe it. He inspired many, including myself to start lifting for aesthetics.
To any ignorant posters, pre-empting from replies in other threads, do not hate because Zyzz took steroids, steroids do not cause cardiac arrest and he never lied about his use.
were you not awake during health class in HS? on top of general health, i took a sports psych course in college and at both levels, my professors were quite abrasive when discussing the harmful effects of steroid usage. steroids can lead to hardening of the arteries and in turn, heart attack.
that said, RIP.
EDIT: but if you dont want to take my word for it, i even googled it for you and here's the first result i found:
What we witness today is the death of a god. Deep within all of our minds, we know that if we were to finally get our act together, and get in shape, and get strong and aesthetic, and get over all our issues, we know that we could become a god. Some people ignore this potential, and vegetate through their lives, spitting in the face of their ancestors by neglecting to realize their body's full potential. Others, like me for the first several years of my training, dabble in the physical arts but never go all the way, afraid of losing themselves in the transition. Zyzz achieved all of our fantasies. He actually went out, did the work, put in the effort, and spent the remainder of his tragically short life reaping the rewards. He became the douchebag with huge beautiful muscles that could pull in any girl, or lord over any guy, that he desires. He didn't lose himself. He found himself. With Zyzz as my inspiration, I have found direction in my training, and I have become more aware of my goals. Every day, when I go to the gym, I think of what life will be like when I have achieved his level, and I need no more motivation than that. Although He has left us, Zyzz lives on in our hearts. Whenever you're at the gym and you fantasize about fine females you've never met French-kissing your midsection at a party, or doing pushups in the middle of the street and not getting honked at, or going to the club and picking out a girl and saying "Her." and an hour later making sweet, passionate love to her, you are carrying the torch. Zyzz showed us a part of life you don't see at the office, or when you get home and glue yourself to your computer, a life above the monotony and complacency that we have grown so used to in this first-world garbage heap we live in. In Zyzz's world, only the most awesome motherfucker matters. Now he's gone. Now it's your turn. When you and I walk into the same room, everyone in the room can tell who's in control. When Zyzz walked into a room, he was in control. He won, and everyone was mirin. He's gone now, and we're all fighting for his place. I intend to win. What are you gonna do about it?
On August 10 2011 07:15 hypnoxide wrote: Wow, can't believe I heard this first on TL of all places. Zyzz was inspirational and it's sad that he's gone, I can barely believe it. He inspired many, including myself to start lifting for aesthetics.
To any ignorant posters, pre-empting from replies in other threads, do not hate because Zyzz took steroids, steroids do not cause cardiac arrest and he never lied about his use.
were you not awake during health class in HS? on top of general health, i took a sports psych course in college and at both levels, my professors were quite abrasive when discussing the harmful effects of steroid usage. steroids can lead to hardening of the arteries and in turn, heart attack.
that said, RIP.
EDIT: but if you dont want to take my word for it, i even googled it for you and here's the first result i found:
Nice knee jerk reaction. Your high school and and college sports PSYCHOLOGY professors both told you steroids are bad because everyone else says they are.
Disregarding that at the congressional hearing to determine whether steroids would be banned all major drug agencies voted against the ban, you're still arguing a moot point. Without reading your study I can already see the issue; long term use.
Long term use of alcohol can lead to cirrhosis and liver damage. Long term smoking can lead to a variety of cancers and lung conditions.
Zyzz wasn't a long-term steroid user and like drinking and smoking it's not guaranteed. Piss off with your ignorance.
On August 10 2011 07:15 hypnoxide wrote: Wow, can't believe I heard this first on TL of all places. Zyzz was inspirational and it's sad that he's gone, I can barely believe it. He inspired many, including myself to start lifting for aesthetics.
To any ignorant posters, pre-empting from replies in other threads, do not hate because Zyzz took steroids, steroids do not cause cardiac arrest and he never lied about his use.
were you not awake during health class in HS? on top of general health, i took a sports psych course in college and at both levels, my professors were quite abrasive when discussing the harmful effects of steroid usage. steroids can lead to hardening of the arteries and in turn, heart attack.
that said, RIP.
EDIT: but if you dont want to take my word for it, i even googled it for you and here's the first result i found:
Nice knee jerk reaction. Your high school and and college sports PSYCHOLOGY professors both told you steroids are bad because everyone else says they are.
What makes you so enlightened? This sounds pretty fucking stupid. They're proven to cause heart problems.
On August 10 2011 07:15 hypnoxide wrote: Wow, can't believe I heard this first on TL of all places. Zyzz was inspirational and it's sad that he's gone, I can barely believe it. He inspired many, including myself to start lifting for aesthetics.
To any ignorant posters, pre-empting from replies in other threads, do not hate because Zyzz took steroids, steroids do not cause cardiac arrest and he never lied about his use.
were you not awake during health class in HS? on top of general health, i took a sports psych course in college and at both levels, my professors were quite abrasive when discussing the harmful effects of steroid usage. steroids can lead to hardening of the arteries and in turn, heart attack.
that said, RIP.
EDIT: but if you dont want to take my word for it, i even googled it for you and here's the first result i found:
lol@ your teachers broscience, and btw, that study is garbage. Steroids are not life threatening if you take the right precautions, and Zyzz knew them all. He died from drug use, probably some dodgy thai cocaine or xtc
On August 10 2011 07:15 hypnoxide wrote: Wow, can't believe I heard this first on TL of all places. Zyzz was inspirational and it's sad that he's gone, I can barely believe it. He inspired many, including myself to start lifting for aesthetics.
To any ignorant posters, pre-empting from replies in other threads, do not hate because Zyzz took steroids, steroids do not cause cardiac arrest and he never lied about his use.
were you not awake during health class in HS? on top of general health, i took a sports psych course in college and at both levels, my professors were quite abrasive when discussing the harmful effects of steroid usage. steroids can lead to hardening of the arteries and in turn, heart attack.
that said, RIP.
EDIT: but if you dont want to take my word for it, i even googled it for you and here's the first result i found:
lol@ your teachers broscience, and btw, that study is garbage. Steroids are not life threatening if you take the right precautions, and Zyzz knew them all. He died from drug use, probably some dodgy thai cocaine or xtc
What the fuck is dodgy cocaine or MDMA? Almost all coke or x is cut with something that kills you and on their own they are outright harmful in the most blatant ways. He died because he was abusing steroids with street drugs. Don't defend that by attacking someone elses education.
I'm out of this thread because I have nothing positive to say about Zyzz.
On August 10 2011 07:15 hypnoxide wrote: Wow, can't believe I heard this first on TL of all places. Zyzz was inspirational and it's sad that he's gone, I can barely believe it. He inspired many, including myself to start lifting for aesthetics.
To any ignorant posters, pre-empting from replies in other threads, do not hate because Zyzz took steroids, steroids do not cause cardiac arrest and he never lied about his use.
were you not awake during health class in HS? on top of general health, i took a sports psych course in college and at both levels, my professors were quite abrasive when discussing the harmful effects of steroid usage. steroids can lead to hardening of the arteries and in turn, heart attack.
that said, RIP.
EDIT: but if you dont want to take my word for it, i even googled it for you and here's the first result i found:
lol@ your teachers broscience, and btw, that study is garbage. Steroids are not life threatening if you take the right precautions, and Zyzz knew them all. He died from drug use, probably some dodgy thai cocaine or xtc
What the fuck is dodgy cocaine or MDMA? Almost all coke or x is cut with something that kills you and on their own they are outright harmful in the most blatant ways. He died because he was abusing steroids with street drugs. Don't defend that by attacking someone elses education.
I'm out of this thread because I have nothing positive to say about Zyzz.
The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of your of what you wrote, because, well ... it didn't really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things to be difficult. If I had known that this was true in your case then I would have never exposed myself to what you wrote. It just wouldn't have been "right." Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.
All the haters were jealous. Zyzz was an arrogant but very intelligent guy IRL. Always saw him at music festivals, he was always the centre of attention wherever he went. Sad to see him go.
On August 10 2011 12:00 lunchrush wrote: What we witness today is the death of a god. Deep within all of our minds, we know that if we were to finally get our act together, and get in shape, and get strong and aesthetic, and get over all our issues, we know that we could become a god. Some people ignore this potential, and vegetate through their lives, spitting in the face of their ancestors by neglecting to realize their body's full potential. Others, like me for the first several years of my training, dabble in the physical arts but never go all the way, afraid of losing themselves in the transition. Zyzz achieved all of our fantasies. He actually went out, did the work, put in the effort, and spent the remainder of his tragically short life reaping the rewards. He became the douchebag with huge beautiful muscles that could pull in any girl, or lord over any guy, that he desires. He didn't lose himself. He found himself. With Zyzz as my inspiration, I have found direction in my training, and I have become more aware of my goals. Every day, when I go to the gym, I think of what life will be like when I have achieved his level, and I need no more motivation than that. Although He has left us, Zyzz lives on in our hearts. Whenever you're at the gym and you fantasize about fine females you've never met French-kissing your midsection at a party, or doing pushups in the middle of the street and not getting honked at, or going to the club and picking out a girl and saying "Her." and an hour later making sweet, passionate love to her, you are carrying the torch. Zyzz showed us a part of life you don't see at the office, or when you get home and glue yourself to your computer, a life above the monotony and complacency that we have grown so used to in this first-world garbage heap we live in. In Zyzz's world, only the most awesome motherfucker matters. Now he's gone. Now it's your turn. When you and I walk into the same room, everyone in the room can tell who's in control. When Zyzz walked into a room, he was in control. He won, and everyone was mirin. He's gone now, and we're all fighting for his place. I intend to win. What are you gonna do about it?
dude im sorry, but this post just leaves me completely baffled.
i'm not trying to bash him in anyway, his death was really unfortunate (as is any) but the degree to which some people admire him is kind of disgusting.
No, I'm not a hater. I just don't think that someone that listens to "good" music, has huge muscles (thanks to intense and incredibly dangerous steroid cycles + working out), and intensely caught up in the drug life should be referred to as a "god" or a role model.
When you say stuff that imply we aren't reaching our body's full potential but zyzz is... you completely lost me there. define potential and explain why this amazing godlike potential and/or godlike personality led to his unfortunate (and way too early) death.
The other day destiny posted a link to imgur, i cannot find it... it was a story of a boy whose dog had developed cancer. the parents decided to put the dog down at home and wanted the boy to witness the event. the boy seemed very peaceful as the dog passed away, the vet and parents began to talk about how dogs live such shorter lives than humans. the boy responded, dogs have already learned to live live to the fullest, humans take many years to do so. This is the epitome of zzyz, he knew how to live live with no regrets. determination and bliss are some of the strongest thing that can stimulate the mind. zzyz rip bro...
For anyone saying he died of steroids please be quiet. Pro bodybuilders take 10x the dosage as he did and never cycle off and they dont die at 22. It is much more likely that he died of a heavy stim overdose+ dehydration from the sauna. He was known to snort coke and take x.
On August 10 2011 12:00 lunchrush wrote: What we witness today is the death of a god. Deep within all of our minds, we know that if we were to finally get our act together, and get in shape, and get strong and aesthetic, and get over all our issues, we know that we could become a god. Some people ignore this potential, and vegetate through their lives, spitting in the face of their ancestors by neglecting to realize their body's full potential. Others, like me for the first several years of my training, dabble in the physical arts but never go all the way, afraid of losing themselves in the transition. Zyzz achieved all of our fantasies. He actually went out, did the work, put in the effort, and spent the remainder of his tragically short life reaping the rewards. He became the douchebag with huge beautiful muscles that could pull in any girl, or lord over any guy, that he desires. He didn't lose himself. He found himself. With Zyzz as my inspiration, I have found direction in my training, and I have become more aware of my goals. Every day, when I go to the gym, I think of what life will be like when I have achieved his level, and I need no more motivation than that. Although He has left us, Zyzz lives on in our hearts. Whenever you're at the gym and you fantasize about fine females you've never met French-kissing your midsection at a party, or doing pushups in the middle of the street and not getting honked at, or going to the club and picking out a girl and saying "Her." and an hour later making sweet, passionate love to her, you are carrying the torch. Zyzz showed us a part of life you don't see at the office, or when you get home and glue yourself to your computer, a life above the monotony and complacency that we have grown so used to in this first-world garbage heap we live in. In Zyzz's world, only the most awesome motherfucker matters. Now he's gone. Now it's your turn. When you and I walk into the same room, everyone in the room can tell who's in control. When Zyzz walked into a room, he was in control. He won, and everyone was mirin. He's gone now, and we're all fighting for his place. I intend to win. What are you gonna do about it?
dude im sorry, but this post just leaves me completely baffled.
i'm not trying to bash him in anyway, his death was really unfortunate (as is any) but the degree to which some people admire him is kind of disgusting.
No, I'm not a hater. I just don't think that someone that listens to "good" music, has huge muscles (thanks to intense and incredibly dangerous steroid cycles + working out), and intensely caught up in the drug life should be referred to as a "god" or a role model.
When you say stuff that imply we aren't reaching our body's full potential but zyzz is... you completely lost me there. define potential and explain why this amazing godlike potential and/or godlike personality led to his unfortunate (and way too early) death.
The reason he was admired was because he went from a WoW nerd playing 24/7 to a sex symbol where he could sleep with anyone he wanted to and admired by 10000s of men for his body. And for his trolling vids and his attitude where he didn't give a fuck.
On August 10 2011 12:00 lunchrush wrote: What we witness today is the death of a god. Deep within all of our minds, we know that if we were to finally get our act together, and get in shape, and get strong and aesthetic, and get over all our issues, we know that we could become a god. Some people ignore this potential, and vegetate through their lives, spitting in the face of their ancestors by neglecting to realize their body's full potential. Others, like me for the first several years of my training, dabble in the physical arts but never go all the way, afraid of losing themselves in the transition. Zyzz achieved all of our fantasies. He actually went out, did the work, put in the effort, and spent the remainder of his tragically short life reaping the rewards. He became the douchebag with huge beautiful muscles that could pull in any girl, or lord over any guy, that he desires. He didn't lose himself. He found himself. With Zyzz as my inspiration, I have found direction in my training, and I have become more aware of my goals. Every day, when I go to the gym, I think of what life will be like when I have achieved his level, and I need no more motivation than that. Although He has left us, Zyzz lives on in our hearts. Whenever you're at the gym and you fantasize about fine females you've never met French-kissing your midsection at a party, or doing pushups in the middle of the street and not getting honked at, or going to the club and picking out a girl and saying "Her." and an hour later making sweet, passionate love to her, you are carrying the torch. Zyzz showed us a part of life you don't see at the office, or when you get home and glue yourself to your computer, a life above the monotony and complacency that we have grown so used to in this first-world garbage heap we live in. In Zyzz's world, only the most awesome motherfucker matters. Now he's gone. Now it's your turn. When you and I walk into the same room, everyone in the room can tell who's in control. When Zyzz walked into a room, he was in control. He won, and everyone was mirin. He's gone now, and we're all fighting for his place. I intend to win. What are you gonna do about it?
dude im sorry, but this post just leaves me completely baffled.
i'm not trying to bash him in anyway, his death was really unfortunate (as is any) but the degree to which some people admire him is kind of disgusting.
No, I'm not a hater. I just don't think that someone that listens to "good" music, has huge muscles (thanks to intense and incredibly dangerous steroid cycles + working out), and intensely caught up in the drug life should be referred to as a "god" or a role model.
When you say stuff that imply we aren't reaching our body's full potential but zyzz is... you completely lost me there. define potential and explain why this amazing godlike potential and/or godlike personality led to his unfortunate (and way too early) death.
way of approaching life. no one is perfect and he's just hilarious unapologetic for who he is.
poor guy... what was he doing in THAILAND? that place is fucking dangerous/fucked up/wild.
RIP, surprised you didn't die from steroids but not surprsied if he died from an OD/heart failure.
e-- wow it was from heart failure, jesus fucking christ, that's what happens when you do coke/meth/tramadol to extreme levels. ugh
i was so jealous of zyzz at some points, but i always wondered what kind of stress his body was under. now i know what i suspected -- nothing in life is free.
The daily telegraph says "A dead body was found" Not his body We can't confirm his death, and I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back next week going "Im back from the dead, you mirin?" If he IS dead, then R.I.P dude...
Pretty shocked. I used to see the guy at my local gym. All he did was flex in front of the mirrors and I heard he took a shit ton of roids (wasn't a fan) but I never imagined he'd be dead.
Was reading about this on the bb forums and everyone seems to be arguing about whether this is a big troll or not. Any certain proof of either side yet?
Wow this really blows my mind. I use to play WoW way back in vanilla grinding BGs with the warrior Aziz (posted in the video earlier) and never realized that it was actually Zyzz until now.
I used to see him around all the clubs/festivals/raves that I used to go to. I guess he had it coming to him though. All the roids and drugs would have definitely had a negative effect on his heart.
On August 10 2011 17:21 Longshank wrote: The cult surrounding this delusional kid is baffling, just unbelievable.
The "Zyzz" persona was just something he put on for online/IRL trolling. If you call him delusional, you take him more serious than he did himself. Those who even once talked to him know he was a helpful, intelligent and inspirative guy. Please educate yourself~
On August 10 2011 17:21 Longshank wrote: The cult surrounding this delusional kid is baffling, just unbelievable.
You dont seem to know what a cult is. Delusional? You took him more seriously than you were supposed to.
Yeah I'd call a kid who pumps himself with drugs and steroids and dies from a heart attack at the age of 22(?) delusional. And I knew little about him but from what I can gather by reading up on various sites, many people did take him seriously.
On August 10 2011 17:21 Longshank wrote: The cult surrounding this delusional kid is baffling, just unbelievable.
The "Zyzz" persona was just something he put on for online/IRL trolling. If you call him delusional, you take him more serious than he did himself. Those who even once talked to him know he was a helpful, intelligent and inspirative guy. Please educate yourself~
I'm sorry but was the coke and the steroids also something he put on for online trolling? I'm sure he was helpful, intelligent and inspirative, I never said he wasn't. But the guy evidently had issues as well.
If he was such an icon for internet nerds to admire/drool over, especially with his ~past nerd life~ , show it. Sure he could have been into WoW, but what epic heroic trolling did he do that makes him such a legend (that apart from taking tons of chemicals, protein and drugs to get massive muscles).
On August 10 2011 17:44 Longshank wrote: I'm sorry but was the coke and the steroids also something he put on for online trolling? I'm sure he was helpful, intelligent and inspirative, I never said he wasn't. But the guy evidently had issues as well.
I could argue lengthily about this, but I won't. This is neither the right thread nor the right time. Please keep this shit down until his death is cleared up, it will only get the thread derailed and then closed.
He was the reason i started taking my workouts seriously and getting into lifting for real. A huge inspiration. He's just a guy living on the other side of the planet but he still had a huge impact on my life.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
I think it has more to do with his outlook on life and the message he conveyed to others. He was a typical teenager with low self-esteem, and through perseverance and hard work he changed that.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
I don't give a shit about his muscles, he was a nerd when he was a kid but he turned into a guy filled to the brim with confidence and just enjoying life, that is something that a lot of people find truly inspiring.
His family has a history of heart problems, running a dbol/test/clen/whatever cycle is not going to kill you, please don't get zyzz confused with roid freaks like Coleman, Cutler, Ruhl etc.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
I think it has more to do with his outlook on life and the message he conveyed to others. He was a typical teenager with low self-esteem, and through perseverance and hard work he changed that.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
You still need to put in a ton of work to get a good body on roids. Zyzz clearly worked hard for what he obtained, regardless of whether or not he was stupid for using roids.
Nevermind, I'll find no one like you I wish nothing, but the best for you Dont forget me, you said, I remember I begged Sometimes it hurts in shock, and sometimes its lost forever
I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Dude, take some time to read before you pleasure us with your opinion. He was born with a heart condition:
bodybuilder Aziz Sergeyevich Shavershian died from a previously undiagnosed congenital heart condition
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Dude, take some time to read before you pleasure us with your opinion. He was born with a heart condition:
bodybuilder Aziz Sergeyevich Shavershian died from a previously undiagnosed congenital heart condition
He would probaly NOT have died, if he didn't lead and live such an excentric and dangerous lifestyle All i was saying.
People with heart conditions go all through life without dying, but they don't involve themselves with dangerous stuff that damages their heart further..
Regardless, steroids and drugs are known to be the cause of heart problems, even for healthy and normal subjections prior to intake.
I am fully against steroids and while I've set very high physical goals for myself I will NEVER use steroids. Despite that, everyone blaming his death on steroids, while pretty much saying if you inject anabolic substances into your body your muscles will grow by themselves piss me off so fucking bad.
Growing muscles is hard fucking work, regardless of the way you go about it. You think because Arnold, the greatest bodybuilder of all time used some steroids while cutting for shows, he's not an inspiration...? Do you have any idea about the amount of time he spent in the gym?
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
"For those of you that didn't know him, I'll explain a little about how he lived his life. He lived for training and events, and he loved his trance. His attitude was to live in the now. He didn't hold grudges and he was good to everyone around him, even those that seemed hostile. He's the only person I've known who is so selfish but so selfless at the same time. We can all learn a lot from him. He's touched so many. His body was statueqsue, but it's more than that. So many young kids now are training, eating healthily and having fun with life because of him. Zyzz's memory will live on, and his spirit will show through today's youth. Love you bro."
On August 11 2011 00:47 Seldentar wrote: For those of you that didn't know him, I'll explain a little about how he lived his life. He lived for training and events, and he loved his trance. His attitude was to live in the now. He didn't hold grudges and he was good to everyone around him, even those that seemed hostile. He's the only person I've known who is so selfish but so selfless at the same time. We can all learn a lot from him. He's touched so many. His body was statueqsue, but it's more than that. So many young kids now are training, eating healthily and having fun with life because of him. Zyzz's memory will live on, and his spirit will show through today's youth. Love you bro.
On August 11 2011 00:47 Seldentar wrote: For those of you that didn't know him, I'll explain a little about how he lived his life. He lived for training and events, and he loved his trance. His attitude was to live in the now. He didn't hold grudges and he was good to everyone around him, even those that seemed hostile. He's the only person I've known who is so selfish but so selfless at the same time. We can all learn a lot from him. He's touched so many. His body was statueqsue, but it's more than that. So many young kids now are training, eating healthily and having fun with life because of him. Zyzz's memory will live on, and his spirit will show through today's youth. Love you bro.
edit: done
Haha sorry I accidentally posted it before I was finished
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
They are blaming it on drug abuse. Anabolic steroid abuse is proven to be a very large contributor in cardiovascular diseases like heart attacks and strokes. If he had a pre existing heart condition that's even worse.
Drug abuse is bad, it kills people. I don't know why, in a thread where a 22 year old male who appears far healthier than probably everyone in this thread died people are trying to argue that there are no risks or that people are misinformed. Clearly there are risks. Every male should get their physicals done regularly, especially so if you are going to use drugs.
There are definitely people who think steroids are much more dangerous than they are, but for every one of them there's an incredibly impressionable person who thinks because it helps in creating muscle mass, giving the image of being healthy, that there is no risk involved. The truth is pretty obviously somewhere between the two
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
They are blaming it on drug abuse. Anabolic steroid abuse is proven to be a very large contributor in cardiovascular diseases like heart attacks and strokes. If he had a pre existing heart condition that's even worse.
Drug abuse is bad, it kills people. I don't know why, in a thread where a 22 year old male who appears far healthier than probably everyone in this thread died people are trying to argue that there are no risks or that people are misinformed. Clearly there are risks. Every male should get their physicals done regularly, especially so if you are going to use drugs.
There are definitely people who think steroids are much more dangerous than they are, but for every one of them there's an incredibly impressionable person who thinks because it helps in creating muscle mass, giving the image of being healthy, that there is no risk involved. The truth is pretty obviously somewhere between the two
I hope I didn't give the impression that I thought there were no risks. I totally agree with you, the truth is a balance between the two views
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
Ok we get it, you don't want to mourn him because you and your uneducated opinions regarding steroid use doesn't match his.
From your latest posts it's painfully obvious that you have no clue how steroids work and just base your opinion on FOX news latest article on dbol.
To the rest of us in this thread you come of as a guy that thinks he's smart and trying to convince everyone here that Zyzz doesn't deserve to be mourned because he used steroids.
If he doesn't deserve your pity, what is the point of you being in this thread? it's obvious that you are just trying to push your morals on everyone else here.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Dude, you're an idiot. How's middle school anti-drug classes working for you? Also why are people posting in this thread if they're just here to talk shit about the God? Have some fucking respect please.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
Ok we get it, you don't want to mourn him because you and your uneducated opinions regarding steroid use doesn't match his.
From your latest posts it's painfully obvious that you have no clue how steroids work and just base your opinion on FOX news latest article on dbol.
To the rest of us in this thread you come of as a guy that thinks he's smart and trying to convince everyone here that Zyzz doesn't deserve to be mourned because he used steroids.
If he doesn't deserve your pity, what is the point of you being in this thread? it's obvious that you are just trying to push your morals on everyone else here.
Since you wrote the book on the medical results and conditions of drug abuse etc., care to educate me and elaborate on how I am misinformed then? Since you take it, than I am ignorant, and only watch Fox news (I'm not even american, lol).. then please, educate me, and let me bask in the light of your unending knowledge of power.
I was simply asking why people mourn him so much, given that he clearly made his own demise apparent, knowingly, it seems.
I mean death is always sad, but it seems to me that this guy was practically inviting it over for dinner and a cookie.
We shouldn't be criticizing the choices he made in his life and talking about his steroid abuse. Everyone is entitled to choices of their own and it sounds like he was only hurting himself. I read a decent amount on him after reading this and it seems to me like while he may have had his personal problems, he was a nice guy. RIP
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
I geniunely feel sorry for you, if you can't see what's blatantly in front of your face, then you will never understand :/
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
Then get out of the thread. No one cares about your opinion. You sit up there on your high horse thinking you're better than him. Why? I don't understand people like you.
Guess it comes down to the fact that haters gonna hate, and that haters will never leave you alone. Haters keep you going and make you push forward.
Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
Ok we get it, you don't want to mourn him because you and your uneducated opinions regarding steroid use doesn't match his.
From your latest posts it's painfully obvious that you have no clue how steroids work and just base your opinion on FOX news latest article on dbol.
To the rest of us in this thread you come of as a guy that thinks he's smart and trying to convince everyone here that Zyzz doesn't deserve to be mourned because he used steroids.
If he doesn't deserve your pity, what is the point of you being in this thread? it's obvious that you are just trying to push your morals on everyone else here.
Since you wrote the book on the medical results and conditions of drug abuse etc., care to educate me and elaborate on how I am misinformed then? Since you take it, than I am ignorant, and only watch Fox news (I'm not even american, lol).. then please, educate me, and let me bask in the light of your unending knowledge of power.
I was simply asking why people mourn him so much, given that he clearly made his own demise apparent, knowingly, it seems.
I mean death is always sad, but it seems to me that this guy was practically inviting it over for dinner and a cookie.
People have already told you why he's being mourned, but you were to hellbent on your crusade against steroids to notice.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
I think it has more to do with his outlook on life and the message he conveyed to others. He was a typical teenager with low self-esteem, and through perseverance and hard work he changed that.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious
Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding.
Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders.
So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
They are blaming it on drug abuse. Anabolic steroid abuse is proven to be a very large contributor in cardiovascular diseases like heart attacks and strokes. If he had a pre existing heart condition that's even worse.
Drug abuse is bad, it kills people. I don't know why, in a thread where a 22 year old male who appears far healthier than probably everyone in this thread died people are trying to argue that there are no risks or that people are misinformed. Clearly there are risks. Every male should get their physicals done regularly, especially so if you are going to use drugs.
There are definitely people who think steroids are much more dangerous than they are, but for every one of them there's an incredibly impressionable person who thinks because it helps in creating muscle mass, giving the image of being healthy, that there is no risk involved. The truth is pretty obviously somewhere between the two
There is difference between being healthy and being 10% bf , 180lbs, using steroids, no cardio and having a history of heart problems in the family.
Zyzz was far from healthy, and he definitely brought this on himself.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
Then get out of the thread. No one cares about your opinion. You sit up there on your high horse thinking you're better than him. Why? I don't understand people like you.
Guess it comes down to the fact that haters gonna hate, and that haters will never leave you alone. Haters keep you going and make you push forward.
Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff.
Well said man, haters gonna hate. Zyzz appreciated his haters as much as his fans because really they're the reason why he become the person he was.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
Then get out of the thread. No one cares about your opinion. You sit up there on your high horse thinking you're better than him. Why? I don't understand people like you.
Guess it comes down to the fact that haters gonna hate, and that haters will never leave you alone. Haters keep you going and make you push forward.
Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff.
Not really, I just fail to see the argument and reason WHY you should take inspiration and aspire to be like this guy.. That's my only gripe, because that's mainly what people seem to praise this guy for.. I'm just curious as to why, because I don't understand how the arguments presented here, makes this all possible..
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
Ok we get it, you don't want to mourn him because you and your uneducated opinions regarding steroid use doesn't match his.
From your latest posts it's painfully obvious that you have no clue how steroids work and just base your opinion on FOX news latest article on dbol.
To the rest of us in this thread you come of as a guy that thinks he's smart and trying to convince everyone here that Zyzz doesn't deserve to be mourned because he used steroids.
If he doesn't deserve your pity, what is the point of you being in this thread? it's obvious that you are just trying to push your morals on everyone else here.
Since you wrote the book on the medical results and conditions of drug abuse etc., care to educate me and elaborate on how I am misinformed then? Since you take it, than I am ignorant, and only watch Fox news (I'm not even american, lol).. then please, educate me, and let me bask in the light of your unending knowledge of power.
I was simply asking why people mourn him so much, given that he clearly made his own demise apparent, knowingly, it seems.
I mean death is always sad, but it seems to me that this guy was practically inviting it over for dinner and a cookie.
Because he inspired people to go to the gym, to get off their asses and work for something hard, to know that they can always become somehow better? People connect with him because he was like them. He was a normal internet geek who, unlike other internet geeks, had the motivation to do something about it. And then, when he got huge, and got attention from everyone, he didn't bail on his roots. He realized the girls giving him attention now that he was jacked were shallow bitches. Thus he made it his life duty to troll the fuck out of them.
Also, what is your fucking problem? When Amy Winehouse died, did you say "oh, she deserved it, she was an alcoholic?". When Chris Farley died, "oh, he was on a lot of drugs, good riddance"? Literally, you have no reason to be posting in this thread, except making people who respected him feel bad. That is fucking sick.
Also, your knowledge of drugs/steroids is hilariously laughable (you sound like a 15 year old). You can get paralyzed from doing coke even once? Are you joking? Do you even know how drugs work. I can guarantee that his death wasn't simply due to steroids. It was a perfect storm of things, including a genetic heart disease.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious
Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding.
Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders.
So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity.
He inspired me but that doesn't mean i'm going to start roiding, you are insinuating that people don't have a mind of their own, kind of like how soccer moms think that voilent videogames turn people into killers.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
Then get out of the thread. No one cares about your opinion. You sit up there on your high horse thinking you're better than him. Why? I don't understand people like you.
Guess it comes down to the fact that haters gonna hate, and that haters will never leave you alone. Haters keep you going and make you push forward.
Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff.
Not really, I just fail to see the argument and reason WHY you should take inspiration and aspire to be like this guy.. That's my only gripe, because that's mainly what people seem to praise this guy for.. I'm just curious as to why, because I don't understand how the arguments presented here, makes this all possible..
I'm not on anybodys high horse.
Why does he inspire me? Have you seen the pictures of what he looked like before he began hitting the gym? That is why he inspires me. He didn't just pop a pill, lift a weight and KABOOM all of a sudden he's ripped. That's not how steroids work, but that's obviously how you appear to think they work.
He wanted to change, and he did it. That's all I care about. The fact that he took steroids doesn't matter to me, because he put in years of hard work.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
Ok we get it, you don't want to mourn him because you and your uneducated opinions regarding steroid use doesn't match his.
From your latest posts it's painfully obvious that you have no clue how steroids work and just base your opinion on FOX news latest article on dbol.
To the rest of us in this thread you come of as a guy that thinks he's smart and trying to convince everyone here that Zyzz doesn't deserve to be mourned because he used steroids.
If he doesn't deserve your pity, what is the point of you being in this thread? it's obvious that you are just trying to push your morals on everyone else here.
Since you wrote the book on the medical results and conditions of drug abuse etc., care to educate me and elaborate on how I am misinformed then? Since you take it, than I am ignorant, and only watch Fox news (I'm not even american, lol).. then please, educate me, and let me bask in the light of your unending knowledge of power.
I was simply asking why people mourn him so much, given that he clearly made his own demise apparent, knowingly, it seems.
I mean death is always sad, but it seems to me that this guy was practically inviting it over for dinner and a cookie.
Because he inspired people to go to the gym, to get off their asses and work for something hard, to know that they can always become somehow better? People connect with him because he was like them. He was a normal internet geek who, unlike other internet geeks, had the motivation to do something about it. And then, when he got huge, and got attention from everyone, he didn't bail on his roots. He realized the girls giving him attention now that he was jacked were shallow bitches. Thus he made it his life duty to troll the fuck out of them.
Also, what is your fucking problem? When Amy Winehouse died, did you say "oh, she deserved it, she was an alcoholic?". When Chris Farley died, "oh, he was on a lot of drugs, good riddance"? Literally, you have no reason to be posting in this thread, except making people who respected him feel bad. That is fucking sick.
Also, your knowledge of drugs/steroids is hilariously laughable (you sound like a 15 year old). You can get paralyzed from doing coke even once? Are you joking? Do you even know how drugs work. I can guarantee that his death wasn't simply due to steroids. It was a perfect storm of things, including a genetic heart disease.
Never said anybody deserved anything. I feel sad about people dying I do, but like I said, it comes with the way you live your life.
Amy whinehouse was no surprise either, I didn't pity her all that much or through a tantrum of surprise, the girl lived the way she did, of course she was going down... poor thing
I myself at first this was just another one of his marketing schemes... But the more time passes, the more information is presented to me the more I am starting to believe he is actually dead.. Even though the character we all know as "Zyzz" was somewhat of a douchebag, I'm sure the man behind that character was an amazing guy. Will be missed by many, you are where you belong now. With the Gods. Always mirin' ~Zach
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
Then get out of the thread. No one cares about your opinion. You sit up there on your high horse thinking you're better than him. Why? I don't understand people like you.
Guess it comes down to the fact that haters gonna hate, and that haters will never leave you alone. Haters keep you going and make you push forward.
Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff.
Not really, I just fail to see the argument and reason WHY you should take inspiration and aspire to be like this guy.. That's my only gripe, because that's mainly what people seem to praise this guy for.. I'm just curious as to why, because I don't understand how the arguments presented here, makes this all possible..
I'm not on anybodys high horse.
Why does he inspire me? Have you seen the pictures of what he looked like before he began hitting the gym? That is why he inspires me. He didn't just pop a pill, lift a weight and KABOOM all of a sudden he's ripped. That's not how steroids work, but that's obviously how you appear to think they work.
He wanted to change, and he did it. That's all I care about. The fact that he took steroids doesn't matter to me, because he put in years of hard work.
The time to reach muscle growth and the size of muscle growth is VASTLY increased, artificially, with the use of drugs. I know that much. In short, drugs are a much much quicker way to become ripped, than doing it the old fashioned way... It's the same with people on diets..
No real diets ever worked, compared to healthy living, eating and exercising, no amount of diet advice is gonna fix that if you live sparsly e.g.
Diets and steroids are quick fixes, to get what you want, alot faster, but by skipping vital steps of both psysical and psychological means. I've seen that over and over again in friends and family. I even know friends who used to take steroids, and they became fucking bombly ripped in no time, working-out just as much as regular guys... so ?
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious
Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding.
Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders.
So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity.
He inspired me but that doesn't mean i'm going to start roiding, you are insinuating that people don't have a mind of their own, kind of like how soccer moms think that voilent videogames turn people into killers.
You are discarding the fact that inspirational figures like you claim this guy is using and abusing drugs to get BIG, might not have a negative effect on young impressionable kids and teens, and get them to get the wrong idea about it all?
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious
Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding.
Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders.
So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity.
He inspired me but that doesn't mean i'm going to start roiding, you are insinuating that people don't have a mind of their own, kind of like how soccer moms think that voilent videogames turn people into killers.
You are discarding the fact that inspirational figures like you claim this guy is using and abusing drugs to get BIG, might not have a negative effect on young impressionable kids and teens, and get them to get the wrong idea about it all?
Young impressionable kids and teens shouldn't even be lifting weights in the first place, it's not Zyzz fault that these kids don't have any parents. If you are old enough to start lifting weights and work out seriously you are old enough to know that you should stay away from steroids.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious
Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding.
Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders.
So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity.
He inspired me but that doesn't mean i'm going to start roiding, you are insinuating that people don't have a mind of their own, kind of like how soccer moms think that voilent videogames turn people into killers.
You are discarding the fact that inspirational figures like you claim this guy is using and abusing drugs to get BIG, might not have a negative effect on young impressionable kids and teens, and get them to get the wrong idea about it all?
I'm still confused as to why you're posting in this thread? Do you really enjoy ruining people's days that much? You are really sick person.
Also you lost any credibility you had when you said cocaine could paralyze you if you did it once. That is literally one of THE stupidest comments ive ever read on the internet.
On August 11 2011 00:35 MasterFischer wrote: [quote]
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious
Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding.
Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders.
So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity.
He inspired me but that doesn't mean i'm going to start roiding, you are insinuating that people don't have a mind of their own, kind of like how soccer moms think that voilent videogames turn people into killers.
You are discarding the fact that inspirational figures like you claim this guy is using and abusing drugs to get BIG, might not have a negative effect on young impressionable kids and teens, and get them to get the wrong idea about it all?
Young impressionable kids and teens shouldn't even be lifting weights in the first place, it's not Zyzz fault that these kids don't have any parents. If you are old enough to start lifting weights and work out seriously you are old enough to know that you should stay away from steroids.
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious
Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding.
Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders.
So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity.
He inspired me but that doesn't mean i'm going to start roiding, you are insinuating that people don't have a mind of their own, kind of like how soccer moms think that voilent videogames turn people into killers.
You are discarding the fact that inspirational figures like you claim this guy is using and abusing drugs to get BIG, might not have a negative effect on young impressionable kids and teens, and get them to get the wrong idea about it all?
Young impressionable kids and teens shouldn't even be lifting weights in the first place, it's not Zyzz fault that these kids don't have any parents. If you are old enough to start lifting weights and work out seriously you are old enough to know that you should stay away from steroids.
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
WHO CARES DUDE. It was a personal choice of HIS to take steroids. You are one of those "stop liking what I like" moral-douchebags. Get off your fucking high horse. Your elitist douchebaggery is making ME want to take steroids just to spite you.
Hes dead because he choose the easiest way too look muscly : steriods and weight lifting. Hes was idiot with low self-esteem. If he really was full of inspiration etc.... He would of promoted his self-change in a better way. He may of been funny and entertaining but he was NOT an inspiration.
On August 11 2011 01:33 Cpt.beefy wrote: Hes dead because he choose the easiest way too look muscly : steriods and weight lifting. Hes was idiot with low self-esteem. If he really was full of inspiration etc.... He would of promoted his self-change in a better way. He may of been funny and entertaining but he was NOT an inspiration.
He inspired me, and countless other people, therefore he's an inspiration. Be more mad/jealous please.
On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote: [quote]
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious
Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding.
Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders.
So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity.
He inspired me but that doesn't mean i'm going to start roiding, you are insinuating that people don't have a mind of their own, kind of like how soccer moms think that voilent videogames turn people into killers.
You are discarding the fact that inspirational figures like you claim this guy is using and abusing drugs to get BIG, might not have a negative effect on young impressionable kids and teens, and get them to get the wrong idea about it all?
Young impressionable kids and teens shouldn't even be lifting weights in the first place, it's not Zyzz fault that these kids don't have any parents. If you are old enough to start lifting weights and work out seriously you are old enough to know that you should stay away from steroids.
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
WHO CARES DUDE. It was a personal choice of HIS to take steroids. You are one of those "stop liking what I like" moral-douchebags. Get off your fucking high horse. Your elitist douchebaggery is making ME want to take steroids just to spite you.
ROFL me too, let it be known that if I get on the roids I owe it all to Masterfischer
On August 11 2011 01:33 Cpt.beefy wrote: Hes dead because he choose the easiest way too look muscly : steriods and weight lifting. Hes was idiot with low self-esteem. If he really was full of inspiration etc.... He would of promoted his self-change in a better way. He may of been funny and entertaining but he was NOT an inspiration.
Haters gonna hate, you obviously didn't even know the guy
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing.
That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse
On August 11 2011 00:51 MasterFischer wrote: [quote]
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
How is it cheating when he's not even competing in anything? please elaborate, i'm genuinely curious
Because drawing inspiration from something that requires you do experiment with drugs will skew the reality of how people get into bodybuilding.
Because, there are clear limits to just HOW big you can get with NOT using steroids, because, many impressionable kids, will try drugs, because the harder and more effective way of muscle growth is too long and too hard for them... drugs are the easy way out, to quickly gaining alot of muscle potential without working "TOO" hard for it. I'm not saying working out is easy, even with drugs, but I am saying, that it stretches pain treshholds and bloodlevels to levels inhumanly possible otherwise for non-drug-abusing body builders.
So when I see a guy whos beefed up, and I know hes not taking drugs, I complement him, when I see a guy whos obviously on steroids (cos u can tell right away usually), then I just snicker and laugh at his ignorance and stupidity.
He inspired me but that doesn't mean i'm going to start roiding, you are insinuating that people don't have a mind of their own, kind of like how soccer moms think that voilent videogames turn people into killers.
You are discarding the fact that inspirational figures like you claim this guy is using and abusing drugs to get BIG, might not have a negative effect on young impressionable kids and teens, and get them to get the wrong idea about it all?
Young impressionable kids and teens shouldn't even be lifting weights in the first place, it's not Zyzz fault that these kids don't have any parents. If you are old enough to start lifting weights and work out seriously you are old enough to know that you should stay away from steroids.
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
WHO CARES DUDE. It was a personal choice of HIS to take steroids. You are one of those "stop liking what I like" moral-douchebags. Get off your fucking high horse. Your elitist douchebaggery is making ME want to take steroids just to spite you.
I think that "Drugs are bad" is a little bit different from "Stop liking what I don't like"...
Not sure if either are entirely appropriate in this thread, but I don't really know what to say about this guy looking at the before and after pictures someone posted earlier. He didn't like the way he was and made the effort to make a change in his life, I don't think he went about it right way though. Making an effort to push yourself and change what you don't like is great and all, but sacrificing his health to do so may have cost him his life.
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing.
That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse
Seriously. Its so disrespectful to judge and talk about someones personal choices (even if they were poor at times) after they have just passed away. It sounds like he had his good points also, we should focus on those. Would you like it if people only looked at your flaws after you passed away?
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing.
That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse
So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either.
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing.
That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse
Seriously. Its so disrespectful to judge and talk about someones personal choices (even if they were poor at times) after they have just passed away. It sounds like he had his good points also, we should focus on those. Would you like it if people only looked at your flaws after you passed away?
Yea, unfortunately that's what tends to happen when a bunch of strangers evaluate someone they know little about... but whatever I know Zyzz wouldn't care. He actually appreciated his haters.
Sounds like a douche. Sorry to hear he owned himself.
Admiration is an interesting thing... Would you guys admire a maphacker? Sure, it still takes effort, but give me a break. The whole point is that cheating robs you of bragging rights.
Do you admire some guy who drives a porsche if he stole it? He KILLED HIMSELF. That should be a big red flag that he wasn't a good role model. You guys are so weird that you can cherry pick things like that. Oh, i only admire him for his good qualities. Well, shit. Couldn't you just pick any random hobo off the street, ignore all his bad, and then call him a role model? I don't think you understand what a role model is supposed to be.
edit: yeah, and im sure he "earned" his genetic gifts too
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing.
That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse
So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either.
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing.
That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse
So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either.
Wow. If you haven't noticed, people that "admire" him, don't admire his steroid use. They admired his will to change and his work ethic.
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing.
That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse
So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either.
eh thats just a really bad analogy.
I'm just saying that, I don't think inspiration and motivation should or COULD be drawn from ANYTHING, regardless of how much effort is put into it..
It's okay that some people admire and inspired by hitler too? He dedicated himself and his work ethic to murdering millions... yeah, he was efficient, he was intelligent -....
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing.
That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse
So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either.
Could you please stop with the "drug addict" bullshit, he admitted to taking drugs once or twice every couple of months during festivals, if you think that's being a drug addict then by your logic 90% of the adults on this planet are alcoholics because they go out drinking on the weekends.
yeah it's kind of bad, not really bad - he makes some good points.
i can't think of any role models in my life that regularly does something that i would consider to be negative (to an extreme comparable with zyzz's drug and steroid use). It's cool that he went from a gaming-nerd to a huge "celeb"-status dude, but really, he shouldn't be worshiped over that. Maybe you guys don't understand but once you start working out (ESPECIALLY if you never worked out before and just started) and begin to see results, your self esteem tends to increase a lot and you become more motivated to workout harder. Now.. imagine this on steroids. anyone can take steroids and workout and see AMAZING results - obviously their self esteem and confidence would skyrocket.
it's cool that people liked him for his personality and for remembering him as a cool guy, but in all seriousness i'm seeing a little too much 'dcik skcunig' and it's making me sick
On August 11 2011 01:44 ToxNub wrote: Sounds like a douche. Sorry to hear he owned himself.
Admiration is an interesting thing... Would you guys admire a maphacker? Sure, it still takes effort, but give me a break. The whole point is that cheating robs you of bragging rights.
Do you admire some guy who drives a porsche if he stole it? He KILLED HIMSELF. That should be a big red flag that he wasn't a good role model. You guys are so weird that you can cherry pick things like that. Oh, i only admire him for his good qualities. Well, shit. Couldn't you just pick any random hobo off the street, ignore all his bad, and then call him a role model? I don't think you understand what a role model is supposed to be.
edit: yeah, and im sure he "earned" his genetic gifts too
"I can be like him"
no you can't.
Who exactly is he competing against here? He isn't cheating anyone, and it was his personal choice to use whatever he wants. If he didn't have such an astounding attitude towards his haters, these posts would just be very sad.. And who is cherry picking here? Have you actually looked at his background or the work ethic he promoted for others? You're the one who's just focusing on one aspect of his life (most likely a factor in his death, but not even the main cause) and assuming that he just injected and took a nap to build his body the way he did.
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing.
That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse
So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either.
It doesn't exactly take a strong work ethic to keep a heroin* addiction going. And nobody is looking up to addicts here because the aura that they carry is much different than a geek with no self-esteem who changed himself through hard work into a confident, inspiring, funny individual. And I'm pretty sure that with his chosen lifestyle and what he has said about his plans for life and death, dying wasn't really of his main concern. If he has no problem with dying young, then why should you have a problem with his choice to do so?
And just for the record, who cares if someone uses heroin anyway, as long as they don't encourage others to use it..
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing.
That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse
So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either.
eh thats just a really bad analogy.
I'm just saying that, I don't think inspiration and motivation should or COULD be drawn from ANYTHING, regardless of how much effort is put into it..
It's okay that some people admire and inspired by hitler too? He dedicated himself and his work ethic to murdering millions... yeah, he was efficient, he was intelligent -....
well.. anyway.. im out
Your analogies are pretty ridiculous...
I don't agree with his attitude towards life and even I can understand what people draw from him.
The change he aimed to make in his life was positive, the way he went about it was wrong. When you use Hitler as a comparator, you sort of ruin anything you could say afterwards, is it really even necessary to refute why this is nothing like using Hitler as inspiration, Hitler's end goal was absolutely idiotic as was his means of achieving it.
Someone can be inspirational and still have issues, I don't find this individual inspirational at all, but I'm not surprised that there are some people who do.
meh, not a fan of an obvious roid user, whatever his work ethic may be. It's like cheating on a test and your excuse is that you're a straight A student. You still cheated.
Yet this guy did it. And you claim he intelligent and rational about it all.
It just seems to me, that a guy wanted to inspire people, and motivate them, chooses to use drugs to do it. If he is truly awesome, then why does he need to abuse drugs to get his body into shape?
That's mainly what i'm pondering. Seems like abit of a cop-out.
There is nothing morally wrong with steroids, and using them certainly does not exclude you from being awesome or inspirational. This guys work ethic, dedication and confidence were nothing short of amazing.
That's my view at least, I'm sure it looks different from atop your high horse
So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either.
Heroine is different to roids. You're not hurting anyone else by taking roids, whereas pushing heroine is hurting the people you sell to and the communities they are part of. You can't compare heroine to roids.
Just because he took roids, which I can't see an argument against unless he was competing, that doesn't make his gains and mindset any less inspirational. He never encouraged the use of roids.
All you're doing is shitting up this thread with your bullshit that no one needs to hear.
MasterFischer can I be honest with you? I think I'm your closest friend... I think it's me and you against the world buddy. Like Incontrol and Deezer! We're just two peas in a pod.
On August 11 2011 01:59 darthfoley wrote: meh, not a fan of an obvious roid user, whatever his work ethic may be. It's like cheating on a test and your excuse is that you're a straight A student. You still cheated.
Still, i don't like to see people die.
RIP
What is he cheating at though? Life? Getting girls? (big muscles obviously help)
If he's entering the olympics or playing professional baseball, that's one thing. If he just is doing it for fun, that's another thing entirely
On August 11 2011 01:59 darthfoley wrote: meh, not a fan of an obvious roid user, whatever his work ethic may be. It's like cheating on a test and your excuse is that you're a straight A student. You still cheated.
Still, i don't like to see people die.
RIP
Yeah, all those poor less muscular people out in the world must feel like shit when they were robbed of their gold medals because Zyzz cheated. wait what?
He wasn't competing in anything how the hell is he cheating?
On August 11 2011 01:59 darthfoley wrote: meh, not a fan of an obvious roid user, whatever his work ethic may be. It's like cheating on a test and your excuse is that you're a straight A student. You still cheated.
Still, i don't like to see people die.
RIP
Yeah, all those poor less muscular people out in the world must feel like shit when they were robbed of their gold medals because Zyzz cheated. wait what?
He wasn't competing in anything how the hell is he cheating?
If it were me, i'd feel like i'm cheating myself by using steroids. But, that's just my take on it. I don't expect you to agree with me and i respect your opinion anyways.
i think you guys taking the word cheating in a wrong context.
I think it's the fact that a lot of people admire him for his physical qualities (not sure on this?) and that he got to it through use of a substance that GREATLY enhances performance and results. I'm not downplaying his workouts, because after reading that article about his workout schedule it seems pretty solid.
anyways, too much argument on here. I agree with what someone else said before. I don't find him inspirational at all, but I can understand that some others would.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff.
Lol isnt that exactly why he pumped himself full of all that shit. Becouse he couldnt be arsed to put it what it takes to look like that the natural way. What he stood for was exactly the easy way out.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff.
Lol isnt that exactly why he pumped himself full of all that shit. Becouse he couldnt be arsed to put it what it takes to look like that the natural way. What he stood for was exactly the easy way out.
He didn't start his first cycle until 1-2years into the training, he already looked amazing but he started a cycle so he could get through a plateau.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff.
Lol isnt that exactly why he pumped himself full of all that shit. Becouse he couldnt be arsed to put it what it takes to look like that the natural way. What he stood for was exactly the easy way out.
He didn't start his first cycle until 1-2years into the training, he already looked amazing but he started a cycle so he could get through a plateau.
This... I don't understand why so many people are making assumptions about things they know very little about...
On August 11 2011 01:42 MasterFischer wrote: So.. If I pick up a drug addiction from heroine, have a really strong work ethic to keep it going, dedicate myself to perhaps being a pusher or just an addict, which gives me alot of confidence in my self, there still isn't anything morally wrong with that? And that should somehow be considered awesome and inspirational? Yeah, we're just different on that view I guess, but I'm not really on any high horse, I just think rationally and carefully about things that might potentially kill me. Cus, I don't wanna be dead, and I'm pretty sure this guy didn't either.
You seem to know nothing about the subject at hand (Zyzz and anabolic steroids as it were). PLease stop defacing a thread where his fans and admirers express their gratitude and sorrow.
Also not even gonna honor ToxNub's post by quoting it. You're just sad man.
On August 11 2011 01:59 darthfoley wrote: meh, not a fan of an obvious roid user, whatever his work ethic may be. It's like cheating on a test and your excuse is that you're a straight A student. You still cheated.
Still, i don't like to see people die.
RIP
Yeah, all those poor less muscular people out in the world must feel like shit when they were robbed of their gold medals because Zyzz cheated. wait what?
He wasn't competing in anything how the hell is he cheating?
If it were me, i'd feel like i'm cheating myself by using steroids. But, that's just my take on it. I don't expect you to agree with me and i respect your opinion anyways.
You're drawing a moral line that's made for you by the government. If steroids were legal would you still say its cheating? If so, then what about protein powders, or creatine? Those both greatly improve performance, is that cheating (creatine is in fact legal in some countries and illegal in others, making it even more of a quandary)? Hell, even going to a gym could be seen as cheating, gyms don't really crop up in nature by themselves.
Any logical thinker can see that its not an issue of morality, but an issue of risk vs reward. Zyzz probably had more fun, and had more sex with girls in 22 years than people have in their whole lives. Steroids obviously come with great rewards. There, is on the other hand a clear risk, steroids are known to cause health problems (even though I GUARANTEE his death had very little to do with his steroid use, much more likely his use of cocaine, ecstasy and ya ba, a popular thai meth based drug, and his heart condition). It is up to you PERSONALLY to decide if the risk outweighs the reward for YOU. For some people it does, for some people it doesn't, but it is a personal decision.
On August 11 2011 01:59 darthfoley wrote: meh, not a fan of an obvious roid user, whatever his work ethic may be. It's like cheating on a test and your excuse is that you're a straight A student. You still cheated.
Still, i don't like to see people die.
RIP
Yeah, all those poor less muscular people out in the world must feel like shit when they were robbed of their gold medals because Zyzz cheated. wait what?
He wasn't competing in anything how the hell is he cheating?
If it were me, i'd feel like i'm cheating myself by using steroids. But, that's just my take on it. I don't expect you to agree with me and i respect your opinion anyways.
You're drawing a moral line that's made for you by the government. If steroids were legal would you still say its cheating? If so, then what about protein powders, or creatine? Those both greatly improve performance, is that cheating (creatine is in fact legal in some countries and illegal in others, making it even more of a quandary)? Hell, even going to a gym could be seen as cheating, gyms don't really crop up in nature by themselves.
Any logical thinker can see that its not an issue of morality, but an issue of risk vs reward. Zyzz probably had more fun, and had more sex with girls in 22 years than people have in their whole lives. Steroids obviously come with great rewards. There, is on the other hand a clear risk, steroids are known to cause health problems (even though I GUARANTEE his death had very little to do with his steroid use, much more likely his use of cocaine, ecstasy and ya ba, a popular thai meth based drug, and his heart condition). It is up to you PERSONALLY to decide if the risk outweighs the reward for YOU. For some people it does, for some people it doesn't, but it is a personal decision.
I don't think the line is all that arbitrary, I prefer to avoid using supplements in general, choosing to stick with a regular, slightly more protein heavy diet. Some supplements have more adverse side effects than others, with steroids being in that danger zone which is why a number of them are illegal.
It's not about what's found in nature but more about the health risk involved, it's potentially a major health sacrifice that can speed up results. It is an opinion at the end of the day, to him the risk was worth the reward, and it may have contributed to his death, to some of the other people commenting, it's perceiving as silly.
I don't think it's immoral, I think it's just unfortunate and a lifestyle I wouldn't particularly agree with.
On August 11 2011 01:59 darthfoley wrote: meh, not a fan of an obvious roid user, whatever his work ethic may be. It's like cheating on a test and your excuse is that you're a straight A student. You still cheated.
Still, i don't like to see people die.
RIP
Yeah, all those poor less muscular people out in the world must feel like shit when they were robbed of their gold medals because Zyzz cheated. wait what?
He wasn't competing in anything how the hell is he cheating?
If it were me, i'd feel like i'm cheating myself by using steroids. But, that's just my take on it. I don't expect you to agree with me and i respect your opinion anyways.
You're drawing a moral line that's made for you by the government. If steroids were legal would you still say its cheating? If so, then what about protein powders, or creatine? Those both greatly improve performance, is that cheating (creatine is in fact legal in some countries and illegal in others, making it even more of a quandary)? Hell, even going to a gym could be seen as cheating, gyms don't really crop up in nature by themselves.
Any logical thinker can see that its not an issue of morality, but an issue of risk vs reward. Zyzz probably had more fun, and had more sex with girls in 22 years than people have in their whole lives. Steroids obviously come with great rewards. There, is on the other hand a clear risk, steroids are known to cause health problems (even though I GUARANTEE his death had very little to do with his steroid use, much more likely his use of cocaine, ecstasy and ya ba, a popular thai meth based drug, and his heart condition). It is up to you PERSONALLY to decide if the risk outweighs the reward for YOU. For some people it does, for some people it doesn't, but it is a personal decision.
I don't think the line is all that arbitrary, I prefer to avoid using supplements in general, choosing to stick with a regular, slightly more protein heavy diet. Some supplements have more adverse side effects than others, with steroids being in that danger zone which is why a number of them are illegal.
It's not about what's found in nature but more about the health risk involved, it's potentially a major health sacrifice that can speed up results.
I was responding to the guy who said it was "cheating" because he was taking a shortcut. I was pointing out that there are a LOT of things that can be considered taking a shortcut.
Also, your post confirms mine. You say that your personal decision was to not take any supplements at all. You made a decision based on weighing the risks and rewards. That's exactly what I'm saying people should do. For you it is at one end of the spectrum, for people like Zyzz the other end. But it is a personal decision.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff.
Lol isnt that exactly why he pumped himself full of all that shit. Becouse he couldnt be arsed to put it what it takes to look like that the natural way. What he stood for was exactly the easy way out.
What you don't understand is he trained because he loved it, not for the body or the girls but how it made him feel. Pumped up, confident, high on life, etc. Your body has a natural limit, and once he hit a plateau he made the decision to get on the gear and keep on progressing.
However, sadly you will probably never understand this as I doubt you'll be motivated enough to get off your ass and put in the hard work. People who workout for the girls and the body always inevitably quit before they get far. It's only those who love it that can be fucked to hit the gym 5 days a week for years. Many of the ones that don't will be jelly and hate on those that do.
On August 11 2011 01:59 darthfoley wrote: meh, not a fan of an obvious roid user, whatever his work ethic may be. It's like cheating on a test and your excuse is that you're a straight A student. You still cheated.
Still, i don't like to see people die.
RIP
Yeah, all those poor less muscular people out in the world must feel like shit when they were robbed of their gold medals because Zyzz cheated. wait what?
He wasn't competing in anything how the hell is he cheating?
If it were me, i'd feel like i'm cheating myself by using steroids. But, that's just my take on it. I don't expect you to agree with me and i respect your opinion anyways.
You're drawing a moral line that's made for you by the government. If steroids were legal would you still say its cheating? If so, then what about protein powders, or creatine? Those both greatly improve performance, is that cheating (creatine is in fact legal in some countries and illegal in others, making it even more of a quandary)? Hell, even going to a gym could be seen as cheating, gyms don't really crop up in nature by themselves.
Any logical thinker can see that its not an issue of morality, but an issue of risk vs reward. Zyzz probably had more fun, and had more sex with girls in 22 years than people have in their whole lives. Steroids obviously come with great rewards. There, is on the other hand a clear risk, steroids are known to cause health problems (even though I GUARANTEE his death had very little to do with his steroid use, much more likely his use of cocaine, ecstasy and ya ba, a popular thai meth based drug, and his heart condition). It is up to you PERSONALLY to decide if the risk outweighs the reward for YOU. For some people it does, for some people it doesn't, but it is a personal decision.
Kudos to you brother, for making one of the most sensible posts in this thread There's no right and wrong here it's however you choose to live your life. You can do whatever you want with your body, just be aware of the risks and rewards and don't let either blind you.
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff.
Lol isnt that exactly why he pumped himself full of all that shit. Becouse he couldnt be arsed to put it what it takes to look like that the natural way. What he stood for was exactly the easy way out.
What you don't understand is he trained because he loved it, not for the body or the girls but how it made him feel. Pumped up, confident, high on life, etc. Your body has a natural limit, and once he hit a plateau he made the decision to get on the gear and keep on progressing.
However, sadly you will probably never understand this as I doubt you'll be motivated enough to get off your ass and put in the hard work. People who workout for the girls and the body always inevitably quit before they get far. It's only those who love it that can be fucked to hit the gym 5 days a week for years.
I know it may be hard for you to understand that ppl can be motivated without roids&drugs but please dont go attacking them. if u just wanted to "mourn" this dude why even bother going aggressive and arguing etc...just let it go rip
On August 10 2011 22:23 MasterFischer wrote: If you play with matches, you get burnt.
Steroids and what not will kill you. Even at 22. Nobody is superman as we can see.
Too bad, but that's life.
What I don't get is, people saying that other people are inspired by him and look up to him, because of his training..
Why?
It's not THAT hard to get pumped with roids in the system.
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff.
Lol isnt that exactly why he pumped himself full of all that shit. Becouse he couldnt be arsed to put it what it takes to look like that the natural way. What he stood for was exactly the easy way out.
He didn't start his first cycle until 1-2years into the training, he already looked amazing but he started a cycle so he could get through a plateau.
NO THAT'S INCONCEIVABLE HE HAD TO HAVE BEEN A DRUG SUCKIN' ROID PUMPIN' IRON DUMPIN' JUICEHOUND
In my opinion you are brainwashed by the media and all the people who tell you steroids are horrible. Please do not make assumptions as to how he died. It has been confirmed that he had an undiagnosed heart condition all this time that nobody knew about. His family apparently even has a history of heart problems.
Zyzz went to Thailand with a mate who had many connections for cheap access to steroids and other drugs, planning to do a cycle while he was there. His mate said he looked like a kid in a candy shop. I wouldn't doubt he overconsumed drugs since he had limited time, and this plus the heart condition and the dehydration from the sauna triggered the final blow. I'll bet even the coke he was doing played a much larger role than the roids because there are 300 pound bodybuilders out there who pump way more steroids into their systems than Zyzz did yet they are much older and still kicking. Obviously this isn't even remotely healthy, but my point is if you don't overdose like these guys do and are just as knowledgable, they won't destroy your health alone.
And I'm saying you are wrong. There are well-documented medical reports and results indicating that indeed steroids and/or drugs are VERY hurtful to your body, even with just the FIRST try-out..
You can get paralyzed permanently in your entire body from trying heroin 1 time, same shit with cocaine i imagine and other hard drugs.
Be that as it may... I was saying that WHILE he knew his family had heart related problems, he should have consulted a doctor beforehand... or at least just read up about the effects up drugs and stereoids..
I don't pity guys who throw away their life with carelessness..
He probaly wouldn't have died, had he not taken drugs, steroids and a combination of other shit.
Fair enough, I don't agree with his decision to go so hard on the drugs either, but he lived his life the way he wanted to. He was well aware of what he was doing. He was an extremely intelligent person and I know he was very knowledgable about steroids and other drugs.
If he wanted to die young and live his life this way, then why mourn him?
We should be happy, because he died they way he wanted according to you. Live hard, die young right?..
That's why I don't feel pity for this guy, because like you said, he knew what he was doing and going into.. so.. it's not really tragic. He was gambling, and he lost. Such is life Oh well, life goes on.
But I hope you're not saying, that the only real way to live life, is to disregard common sense, and rationality in spite of carelessness and recklessness behaviour
It's not so much mourning for his sake as it is mourning that we've lost such an inspirational figure in the bodybuilding community.
Of course not, you can live your life however suits you.
Inspirational how? Because he was a drug-addict? Yeah.. That's really something to aspire to... sorry lol.. Can't help the irony there..
AS i said, I don't think there is anything valerous about pumping bodybuilding while doing it with drugs (cheating)
Zyzz is a great inspiration to me regardless of what he put in his body. He put in some serious time and effort to look like that and not many people are willing to do that nowadays. They just want to roll over and have stuff.
Lol isnt that exactly why he pumped himself full of all that shit. Becouse he couldnt be arsed to put it what it takes to look like that the natural way. What he stood for was exactly the easy way out.
What you don't understand is he trained because he loved it, not for the body or the girls but how it made him feel. Pumped up, confident, high on life, etc. Your body has a natural limit, and once he hit a plateau he made the decision to get on the gear and keep on progressing.
However, sadly you will probably never understand this as I doubt you'll be motivated enough to get off your ass and put in the hard work. People who workout for the girls and the body always inevitably quit before they get far. It's only those who love it that can be fucked to hit the gym 5 days a week for years.
I know it may be hard for you to understand that ppl can be motivated without roids&drugs but please dont go attacking them. if u just wanted to "mourn" this dude why even bother going aggressive and arguing etc...just let it go rip
I don't do roids or drugs and I'm motivated to workout for the same reason he was. I also never had the intention of attacking anybody, I think you totally misread me
from what i understand, steroids lets you work out harder and longer, so actually you're not "cheating", you're putting in more effort at the gym, rather than less.
This guy really started to grow on me, when i saw this thread i started to look at his videos and give it all a little research, really sad to see him gone.
Him being inspirational can be a bad thing. Working out is supposed to be about bettering your health and working through "plateaus" without taking the easy way out. Doing illegal drugs that damage your health is not something that people should be looking up to.
Him doing steroids and being inspirational is an issue of morality only because other people are looking up to him and seeing a guy that does roids and drugs. Him doing crack and meth should be looked down upon a long with his roid usage, unless of course we want to see more people drop dead at the age of 22.
On August 11 2011 03:15 fishjie wrote: from what i understand, steroids lets you work out harder and longer, so actually you're not "cheating", you're putting in more effort at the gym, rather than less.
I didnt even know about this guy but lol at the haters... Im natural and yet I cant hate a steroid user, since I know many of them and know how their training + dieting is. Its super difficult to endure what it takes to get that physique.
Do you really know how much training, dediaction and dieting your body needs to look like this even when you are on steroids? Steroids are not magic bullets.
I m natural, I hit the gym 5 times/week for 45-50 minutes EVERY WEEK, and ppl think im crazy. But this is my body's limitation. If I could I would up the hours.
These guys do double training (1 on morning 1 on evening) and their workout is around 2 to 2 and a half hours. They are training 5+ hours / day. They food they eat gets boring since its the same shit every day, in every meal.
Oatmeal + protein, rice/potatoes + chicken/fish/red meat+veggies, lettuce+chicken/fish. Same shit EVERY DAY. When you are on roids you have to be extra careful with your meals since you are extra sensitive to cholesterol.
Stop talking nonsense this is not cheating. This is removing your body's limitation. This comes at a cost though. Zyzz didn't die from roids though, probably because of cocaine+sauna.
All said, if this guy isnt trolling then RIP.
Show some respect to him. Instead of hating because of your insecurities.
On August 11 2011 03:27 Sovern wrote: Him being inspirational can be a bad thing. Working out is supposed to be about bettering your health and working through "plateaus" without taking the easy way out. Doing illegal drugs that damage your health is not something that people should be looking up to.
Him doing steroids and being inspirational is an issue of morality only because other people are looking up to him and seeing a guy that does roids and drugs. Him doing crack and meth should be looked down upon a long with his roid usage, unless of course we want to see more people drop dead at the age of 22.
I don't know as much about his history of drug usage, but I'm fairly certain that he didn't use crack or meth. And working out isn't "about" anything other than what you make it about.
For those who think roids are the easy way out, as "MyNameIsAlex" above me mentioned it actually removes your body's limitations, because naturally if you work out longer than an hour at 100% intensity you will be overtraining and not see any results. Those who take steroids recover much quicker, so they can efficiently workout at 100% intensity for multiple hours every day like Zyzz did. For clarities sake by 100% intensity I mean doing every set to failure.
Anyway I think I've said enough on the topic by now ^^
^^I agree, working out is what you make out of it BUT the general census would agree that working out is something that people that want to live a healthy lifestyle do. You don't walk around hearing people say "Are you still going to the gym today to help destroy your knees and heart Jim?" The problem is that people were looking up to someone that did roids, drugs, and in actuality did not take care of himself at all. There's people out there that are couch potatoes that were healthier than him.
On August 11 2011 03:35 MyNameIsAlex wrote: I didnt even know about this guy but lol at the haters... Im natural and yet I cant hate a steroid user, since I know many of them and know how their training + dieting is. Its super difficult to endure what it takes to get that physique.
Do you really know how much training, dediaction and dieting your body needs to look like this even when you are on steroids? Steroids are not magic bullets.
This. I have been on light doses of pro hormones before but family issues got in the way of my workout schedule and my dieting. I had some nicer, more fast, and more clean results but still it was nothing insane. Even legitimate, illegal anabolic steroids only do so much. They only boost your body's anabolic functions (go figure). IDK why people think juicing is equivalent to magic or some shit.
On August 11 2011 03:49 Sovern wrote: ^^I agree, working out is what you make out of it BUT the general census would agree that working out is something that people that want to live a healthy lifestyle do. You don't walk around hearing people say "Are you still going to the gym today to help destroy your knees and heart Jim?" The problem is that people were looking up to someone that did roids, drugs, and in actuality did not take care of himself at all. There's people out there that are couch potatoes that were healthier than him.
This is absolutely not true at all. Just because you take steroids does not mean you are not taking care of yourself at all.
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
Doctors use steroids as medication... Obviously not the same thing, but still.
On August 11 2011 03:49 Sovern wrote: ^^I agree, working out is what you make out of it BUT the general census would agree that working out is something that people that want to live a healthy lifestyle do. You don't walk around hearing people say "Are you still going to the gym today to help destroy your knees and heart Jim?" The problem is that people were looking up to someone that did roids, drugs, and in actuality did not take care of himself at all. There's people out there that are couch potatoes that were healthier than him.
This is absolutely not true at all. Just because you take steroids does not mean you are not taking care of yourself at all.
Care to elaborate ? Because I fail to see how a guy that does performance enhancing drugs + recreational drugs like coke is "taking care of himself".
I'm just astonished at what I'm reading in general in this thread. Ppl need to stop talking like PEDs are fucking vitamins. There's a reason why they are not legal, and it's not just about competition fairness.
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy ....
On August 11 2011 03:49 Sovern wrote: ^^I agree, working out is what you make out of it BUT the general census would agree that working out is something that people that want to live a healthy lifestyle do. You don't walk around hearing people say "Are you still going to the gym today to help destroy your knees and heart Jim?" The problem is that people were looking up to someone that did roids, drugs, and in actuality did not take care of himself at all. There's people out there that are couch potatoes that were healthier than him.
This is absolutely not true at all. Just because you take steroids does not mean you are not taking care of yourself at all.
Care to elaborate ? Because I fail to see how a guy that does performance enhancing drugs + recreational drugs like coke is "taking care of himself".
I'm just astonished at what I'm reading in general in this thread. Ppl need to stop talking like PEDs are fucking vitamins. There's a reason why they are not legal, and it's not just about competition fairness.
yeah just why there's a reason why weed is illegal and alcohol isnt. Or why steroids are legal for personal use in england and doctors will help you take them correctly, because done correctly things are rarely dangerous, doing stuff uninformed is what gets you in trouble
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy ....
Actually I love your logic :D
beautiful areguement that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Overdoing something is always bad. Taking steroids responsibly isn't nesecarily healthy but it's not horrible as so many people make it out to be.
On August 11 2011 03:49 Sovern wrote: ^^I agree, working out is what you make out of it BUT the general census would agree that working out is something that people that want to live a healthy lifestyle do. You don't walk around hearing people say "Are you still going to the gym today to help destroy your knees and heart Jim?" The problem is that people were looking up to someone that did roids, drugs, and in actuality did not take care of himself at all. There's people out there that are couch potatoes that were healthier than him.
This is absolutely not true at all. Just because you take steroids does not mean you are not taking care of yourself at all.
Care to elaborate ? Because I fail to see how a guy that does performance enhancing drugs + recreational drugs like coke is "taking care of himself".
I'm just astonished at what I'm reading in general in this thread. Ppl need to stop talking like PEDs are fucking vitamins. There's a reason why they are not legal, and it's not just about competition fairness.
It is just about competition fairness. Same reason why marijuana is illegal in comparison to alcohol. Just because something is banned doesn't mean it's inherently unhealthy. Just because something is legal doesn't mean you can consume as much as you want and not have your organs shut down.
At the congressional hearing to ban performance enhancing drugs all major drug agencies voted AGAINST banning them. They were banned because it gave some sportsman an edge over competitors who didn't want to take them.
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy ....
Actually I love your logic :D
As your sarcastic remark implies, moderation is key. Nothing is different about steroids.
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy ....
Actually I love your logic :D
Except this is stupid, illogical, and not at all listening to what your doctor told you. You're just being intentionally dense, I realize, but everyone else in the thread seems to be making serious arguments similar to yours.
If you take steroids and just sit on the couch, you won't get jacked. It's not a magic pill. Yes, it pushes your body past its natural limits, but you need to work hard and eat like a horse to get any effects.
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy ....
Actually I love your logic :D
As your sarcastic remark implies, moderation is key. Nothing is different about steroids.
I'm fine with roids when they fill a natural lack of testosterone. When they are used to be able to workout more I think it's kinda fucked up even if it is used cautiously. I know I'm a tad conservative on the subject but I think that the human body has a natural equilibrium which we should try not to mess with.
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy ....
Actually I love your logic :D
As your sarcastic remark implies, moderation is key. Nothing is different about steroids.
I'm fine with roids when they fill a natural lack of testosterone. When they are used to be able to workout more I think it's kinda fucked up even if it is used cautiously. I know I'm a tad conservative on the subject but I think that the human body has a natural equilibrium which we should try not to mess with.
So I guess you don't drink coffee, alcohol, smoke cigarettes, eat genetically modified food, take antibiotics, take prescription medication of any kind or take painkillers, receive x-rays, CTscans or MRI's.
Wow, I just found his website, and I can't believe that's the same guy...holy smoke. I thought the "at first I was like...but then I got mad" had two different people, but they were the same dude...wow. He does seem like he was sort of a cool guy with a true motivational message. :[
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy ....
Except this is stupid, illogical, and not at all listening to what your doctor told you. You're just being intentionally dense, I realize, but everyone else in the thread seems to be making serious arguments similar to yours.
If you take steroids and just sit on the couch, you won't get jacked. It's not a magic pill. Yes, it pushes your body past its natural limits, but you need to work hard and eat like a horse to get any effects.
Now, , on the other hand...it's a hell of a drug.
I know how steroids work and I also know they put a strain on your organs. I'm not trying to demonize steroids, I'm just saying it's dangerous to see them as a completely harmless supplement.
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy ....
Actually I love your logic :D
As your sarcastic remark implies, moderation is key. Nothing is different about steroids.
I'm fine with roids when they fill a natural lack of testosterone. When they are used to be able to workout more I think it's kinda fucked up even if it is used cautiously. I know I'm a tad conservative on the subject but I think that the human body has a natural equilibrium which we should try not to mess with.
So I guess you don't drink coffee, alcohol, smoke cigarettes, eat genetically modified food, take antibiotics, take prescription medication of any kind or take painkillers, receive x-rays, CTscans or MRI's.
So you take what he said, and take it to an extreme...?
Even then, you sort of had something with the first three, but everything after that makes little sense as they're somewhat medically necessary while steroids are not if you're using them to work out, and he already qualified his statements with him being fine with them being used to fill a "natural lack of testosterone".
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy ....
Actually I love your logic :D
As your sarcastic remark implies, moderation is key. Nothing is different about steroids.
I'm fine with roids when they fill a natural lack of testosterone. When they are used to be able to workout more I think it's kinda fucked up even if it is used cautiously. I know I'm a tad conservative on the subject but I think that the human body has a natural equilibrium which we should try not to mess with.
So I guess you don't drink coffee, alcohol, smoke cigarettes, eat genetically modified food, take antibiotics, take prescription medication of any kind or take painkillers, receive x-rays, CTscans or MRI's.
So you take what he said, and take it to an extreme...?
Even then, you sort of had something with the first three, but everything after that makes little sense as they're somewhat medically necessary while steroids are not if you're using them to work out, and he already qualified his statements with him being fine with them being used to fill a "natural lack of testosterone".
Point still stands. It's only okay to take certain drugs when it suits you. It was taken to the extreme to show how ridiculous the logic behind it is. Alcohol and cigarettes in particular cause more deaths than (I think) anything else. Yet both are very legal.
Deaths from Steroid overdose: 3 Deaths from Alcohol alone: 105,000 (Center for Disease Control, Atlanta)
Edit: Should make it clear, that is road fatalities only. Not counting long-term abuse of alcohol.
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy ....
Actually I love your logic :D
As your sarcastic remark implies, moderation is key. Nothing is different about steroids.
I'm fine with roids when they fill a natural lack of testosterone. When they are used to be able to workout more I think it's kinda fucked up even if it is used cautiously. I know I'm a tad conservative on the subject but I think that the human body has a natural equilibrium which we should try not to mess with.
So I guess you don't drink coffee, alcohol, smoke cigarettes, eat genetically modified food, take antibiotics, take prescription medication of any kind or take painkillers, receive x-rays, CTscans or MRI's.
I drink very little alcohol and coffee, I try to avoid eating GMOs as much as I can, and I take medication and painkillers only when it's necessary (which is a rare trait among the french :p). I'm not a fucking lunatic either, maybe I should have added "a natural equilibrium which we should try not to mess with unecessarily"
Again I'm not viewing ppl who take steroids carefully like crackheads, I just think steroids and PEDs in general are a slippery slope.
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy ....
Actually I love your logic :D
As your sarcastic remark implies, moderation is key. Nothing is different about steroids.
I'm fine with roids when they fill a natural lack of testosterone. When they are used to be able to workout more I think it's kinda fucked up even if it is used cautiously. I know I'm a tad conservative on the subject but I think that the human body has a natural equilibrium which we should try not to mess with.
So I guess you don't drink coffee, alcohol, smoke cigarettes, eat genetically modified food, take antibiotics, take prescription medication of any kind or take painkillers, receive x-rays, CTscans or MRI's.
I drink very little alcohol and coffee, I try to avoid eating GMOs as much as I can, and I take medication and painkillers only when it's necessary (which is a rare trait among the french :p). I'm not a fucking lunatic either, maybe I should have added "a natural equilibrium which we should try not to mess with unecessarily"
Again I'm not viewing ppl who take steroids carefully like crackheads, I just think steroids and PEDs in general are a slippery slope.
Once again, thats your PERSONAL choice, his personal choice was to do the steroids. It all comes down to how you personally weigh the risks and rewards. What isn't right, however, is for you to come in this thread where people are obviously grieving and start talking down on someone who has recently deceased. Get a sense of fucking respect.
Zyzz was my inspiration to get in shape. The guy is fucking hilarious and was sickly motivated to become alpha as fuck. Instead of trying to make being a failnerd look cool he became an aesthetic as fuck bodybuilder. Anyone who on their own made a huge decision to better themselves can appreciate the guy. Also fuckin amazing troll.
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy ....
Actually I love your logic :D
As your sarcastic remark implies, moderation is key. Nothing is different about steroids.
I'm fine with roids when they fill a natural lack of testosterone. When they are used to be able to workout more I think it's kinda fucked up even if it is used cautiously. I know I'm a tad conservative on the subject but I think that the human body has a natural equilibrium which we should try not to mess with.
So I guess you don't drink coffee, alcohol, smoke cigarettes, eat genetically modified food, take antibiotics, take prescription medication of any kind or take painkillers, receive x-rays, CTscans or MRI's.
I drink very little alcohol and coffee, I try to avoid eating GMOs as much as I can, and I take medication and painkillers only when it's necessary (which is a rare trait among the french :p). I'm not a fucking lunatic either, maybe I should have added "a natural equilibrium which we should try not to mess with unecessarily"
Again I'm not viewing ppl who take steroids carefully like crackheads, I just think steroids and PEDs in general are a slippery slope.
Once again, thats your PERSONAL choice, his personal choice was to do the steroids. It all comes down to how you personally weigh the risks and rewards. What isn't right, however, is for you to come in this thread where people are obviously grieving and start talking down on someone who has recently deceased. Get a sense of fucking respect.
Feel free to quote a post of mine where I talk down on the guy coz I don't see any. I just have a negative opinion on steroids and PEDs and I think it's founded. Is that supposed to be a lack of respect towards anybody ?
On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote: I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy ....
Actually I love your logic :D
As your sarcastic remark implies, moderation is key. Nothing is different about steroids.
I'm fine with roids when they fill a natural lack of testosterone. When they are used to be able to workout more I think it's kinda fucked up even if it is used cautiously. I know I'm a tad conservative on the subject but I think that the human body has a natural equilibrium which we should try not to mess with.
So I guess you don't drink coffee, alcohol, smoke cigarettes, eat genetically modified food, take antibiotics, take prescription medication of any kind or take painkillers, receive x-rays, CTscans or MRI's.
So you take what he said, and take it to an extreme...?
Even then, you sort of had something with the first three, but everything after that makes little sense as they're somewhat medically necessary while steroids are not if you're using them to work out, and he already qualified his statements with him being fine with them being used to fill a "natural lack of testosterone".
Point still stands. It's only okay to take certain drugs when it suits you. It was taken to the extreme to show how ridiculous the logic behind it is. Alcohol and cigarettes in particular cause more deaths than (I think) anything else. Yet both are very legal.
Deaths from Steroid overdose: 3 Deaths from Alcohol alone: 105,000 (Center for Disease Control, Atlanta)
Edit: Should make it clear, that is road fatalities only. Not counting long-term abuse of alcohol.
ROFL Deaths from steroid overdose? How is that even relevant? Do you know how many deaths or ruined hormone systems have been a result of the changes from steroids? The answer is no because it's hard to track that kind of illegal stuff, but roids are extremely harsh on your heart as well as your hormonal regulation.
Honestly no matter what people say this guy's videos showed me a part of life I wanted to be in and probably helped a lot of other people see this to. I wanted the results he had even if he took steroids he still went out and did what he needed to get to that point. Appreciate don't hate.
On August 11 2011 08:06 Sworn wrote: Honestly no matter what people say this guy's videos showed me a part of life I wanted to be in and probably helped a lot of other people see this to. I wanted the results he had even if he took steroids he still went out and did what he needed to get to that point. Appreciate don't hate.
On August 11 2011 04:04 hypnoxide wrote: [quote] Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy ....
Actually I love your logic :D
As your sarcastic remark implies, moderation is key. Nothing is different about steroids.
I'm fine with roids when they fill a natural lack of testosterone. When they are used to be able to workout more I think it's kinda fucked up even if it is used cautiously. I know I'm a tad conservative on the subject but I think that the human body has a natural equilibrium which we should try not to mess with.
So I guess you don't drink coffee, alcohol, smoke cigarettes, eat genetically modified food, take antibiotics, take prescription medication of any kind or take painkillers, receive x-rays, CTscans or MRI's.
So you take what he said, and take it to an extreme...?
Even then, you sort of had something with the first three, but everything after that makes little sense as they're somewhat medically necessary while steroids are not if you're using them to work out, and he already qualified his statements with him being fine with them being used to fill a "natural lack of testosterone".
Point still stands. It's only okay to take certain drugs when it suits you. It was taken to the extreme to show how ridiculous the logic behind it is. Alcohol and cigarettes in particular cause more deaths than (I think) anything else. Yet both are very legal.
Deaths from Steroid overdose: 3 Deaths from Alcohol alone: 105,000 (Center for Disease Control, Atlanta)
Edit: Should make it clear, that is road fatalities only. Not counting long-term abuse of alcohol.
ROFL Deaths from steroid overdose? How is that even relevant? Do you know how many deaths or ruined hormone systems have been a result of the changes from steroids? The answer is no because it's hard to track that kind of illegal stuff, but roids are extremely harsh on your heart as well as your hormonal regulation.
Yet another moron parroting bullshit he learnt from high school PE class. You act like it's hard to figure out what the contributing causes are when a person sudden dies. Steroids are sooper seekrit u guiz, we can perform a toxicology to find illicit drugs but we can't figure out why hormones are elevated.
On August 11 2011 12:47 Motivate wrote: i want to try and keep this respectful, but how is being a dick the same as "trolling"?
"hi want to be friends?" "nah you're too ugly and i am awesome"
that's not exactly trolling.... can it actually be confirmed that zyzz did steroids prior to thailand? i thought he prided himself on being natural
I know what you mean, but he was referring to how shallow most of those girls are which is why he said that. she said "lookin good" so thats prob why he said that....
On August 11 2011 12:47 Motivate wrote: i want to try and keep this respectful, but how is being a dick the same as "trolling"?
"hi want to be friends?" "nah you're too ugly and i am awesome"
that's not exactly trolling.... can it actually be confirmed that zyzz did steroids prior to thailand? i thought he prided himself on being natural
The girl was a slut and he can't stand dirty whores especially because he had bad experiences with them when he was skinny. When he was tiny they treated him like a little bitch and when he got big all of a sudden they started drooling over him. That's partially why he has no respect for them whatsoever, and he wouldn't say anything like that to a genuine girl.
On August 11 2011 12:47 Motivate wrote: i want to try and keep this respectful, but how is being a dick the same as "trolling"?
"hi want to be friends?" "nah you're too ugly and i am awesome"
that's not exactly trolling.... can it actually be confirmed that zyzz did steroids prior to thailand? i thought he prided himself on being natural
The girl was a slut and he can't stand dirty whores especially because he had bad experiences with them when he was skinny. When he was tiny they treated him like a little bitch and when he got big all of a sudden they started drooling over him. That's partially why he has no respect for them whatsoever, and he wouldn't say anything like that to a genuine girl.
You don't sound very smart, accepting a generalisation of an entire population based on anecdotes of experiences of a tiny subset of that population.
On August 11 2011 12:47 Motivate wrote: i want to try and keep this respectful, but how is being a dick the same as "trolling"?
"hi want to be friends?" "nah you're too ugly and i am awesome"
that's not exactly trolling.... can it actually be confirmed that zyzz did steroids prior to thailand? i thought he prided himself on being natural
The girl was a slut and he can't stand dirty whores especially because he had bad experiences with them when he was skinny. When he was tiny they treated him like a little bitch and when he got big all of a sudden they started drooling over him. That's partially why he has no respect for them whatsoever, and he wouldn't say anything like that to a genuine girl.
You don't sound very smart, accepting a generalisation of an entire population based on anecdotes of experiences of a tiny subset of that population.
On August 11 2011 12:47 Motivate wrote: i want to try and keep this respectful, but how is being a dick the same as "trolling"?
"hi want to be friends?" "nah you're too ugly and i am awesome"
that's not exactly trolling.... can it actually be confirmed that zyzz did steroids prior to thailand? i thought he prided himself on being natural
There's pictures of him injecting into his ass, his brother got arrested for supplying them, and he openly admits it, and he put on over 10kg of muscle in 1 year in his like 3rd year or training and kept less than 10% bodyfat ( not possible otherwise)
10 KG of muscle in 1 year is so unlikely if you're not taking any drugs. i would be extremely pleased with 5 kg gained, but that is not going to happen either
I wanna talk about icons, role-models and what youth should aspire to be like. I also wanna talk about steroids and all the mess that entails. Plus how his death coincides with his lifestyle, and how that should be a sign to us.
But instead I'll go off TeamLiquid, and focus on learning about FFT's (Fast Fourier Transformations), and doing my envelope curve-fitting of damped transverse particle oscillations. ):
On August 11 2011 12:47 Motivate wrote: i want to try and keep this respectful, but how is being a dick the same as "trolling"?
"hi want to be friends?" "nah you're too ugly and i am awesome"
that's not exactly trolling.... can it actually be confirmed that zyzz did steroids prior to thailand? i thought he prided himself on being natural
There's pictures of him injecting into his ass, his brother got arrested for supplying them, and he openly admits it, and he put on over 10kg of muscle in 1 year in his like 3rd year or training and kept less than 10% bodyfat ( not possible otherwise)
On August 11 2011 21:47 MaGic~PhiL wrote: no offense but from what little I admittedly know about him he seem to be an attention whore proud of his body to an extreme extent
nothing that is impressing me in particular
RIP, though
how dare you bro, He was the son of Zeus brother of Hercules, He is not a attention whore but a inspirational figure. RIP ZYZZ
On August 11 2011 12:47 Motivate wrote: i want to try and keep this respectful, but how is being a dick the same as "trolling"?
"hi want to be friends?" "nah you're too ugly and i am awesome"
that's not exactly trolling.... can it actually be confirmed that zyzz did steroids prior to thailand? i thought he prided himself on being natural
The girl was a slut and he can't stand dirty whores especially because he had bad experiences with them when he was skinny. When he was tiny they treated him like a little bitch and when he got big all of a sudden they started drooling over him. That's partially why he has no respect for them whatsoever, and he wouldn't say anything like that to a genuine girl.
You don't sound very smart, accepting a generalisation of an entire population based on anecdotes of experiences of a tiny subset of that population.
A long-time woman scholar and an honorary professor of female studies at the Street University Mike Jones best put it this way: + Show Spoiler +
usually i find most of these guys to be douchebags, but i liked him. he was pretty funny. like when he does push-ups in a restaurant or dances in a random place. he was always smiling and enjoying life. even the typical mirror staring that i always hate in the gym, i laughed when he did it. you could tell that he was a skinny kid that got ripped. he enjoyed his size and the attention it brought. he wasn't just another ripped douchebag, he funny outgoing. i wish i had known about him sooner.
you made me laugh today and made me happy. thank you
On August 11 2011 12:47 Motivate wrote: i want to try and keep this respectful, but how is being a dick the same as "trolling"?
"hi want to be friends?" "nah you're too ugly and i am awesome"
that's not exactly trolling.... can it actually be confirmed that zyzz did steroids prior to thailand? i thought he prided himself on being natural
The girl was a slut and he can't stand dirty whores especially because he had bad experiences with them when he was skinny. When he was tiny they treated him like a little bitch and when he got big all of a sudden they started drooling over him. That's partially why he has no respect for them whatsoever, and he wouldn't say anything like that to a genuine girl.
You don't sound very smart, accepting a generalisation of an entire population based on anecdotes of experiences of a tiny subset of that population.
A long-time woman scholar and an honorary professor of female studies at the Street University Mike Jones best put it this way: + Show Spoiler +
On August 11 2011 21:47 MaGic~PhiL wrote: no offense but from what little I admittedly know about him he seem to be an attention whore proud of his body to an extreme extent
nothing that is impressing me in particular
RIP, though
how dare you bro, He was the son of Zeus brother of Hercules, He is not a attention whore but a inspirational figure. RIP ZYZZ
To be honest he was both :D. He openly admitted he was an attention whore and took pride in his physique, but he was also an inspiration to me and many others.
If the death was natural, I hope they come out with the autopsy results and put all suspicion to rest. We all want his legacy to be as true to form as possible and id hate to have it spoiled by rumor.
That being said, he was a 22 year old fitness professional who died of a hear attack. It's just so suspicious and uncommon that foul play is a good bet.
RIP man, i only know what was in this thread but the road of your transformation is one many of us aspire to travel.
On August 12 2011 10:37 Velocirapture wrote: It is always sad when somebody so beloved dies.
If the death was natural, I hope they come out with the autopsy results and put all suspicion to rest. We all want his legacy to be as true to form as possible and id hate to have it spoiled by rumor.
That being said, he was a 22 year old fitness professional who died of a hear attack. It's just so suspicious and uncommon that foul play is a good bet.
RIP man, i only know what was in this thread but the road of your transformation is one many of us aspire to travel.
he admitted to roids and supported cocaine use and partying
Lol pretty surprised that this thread got to 17 pages on TL. Seems that the influx of 4chan people to TL is pretty big. Even iccup D channel now is filled with 4chan people copy pasting NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER everywhere it's annoying.
Anyway he was just a skinny WoW nerd that did steroids and let it get to him. Anyone doing that much roids and not doing a totally stupid routine + diet with enough protein would get big. I really don't understand the fascination with him, maybe because he posted on 4chan before and made a load of stupid videos. Him and his gang of friends would fit perfectly into the next cast of Jersey Shore.
I'm not surprised at all he died just like I wasn't surprised Ryan Dunn from Jackass died.
Seriously if he was your motivation to start working out I feel bad for you.
On August 12 2011 22:18 pyrogenetix wrote: Lol pretty surprised that this thread got to 17 pages on TL. Seems that the influx of 4chan people to TL is pretty big. Even iccup D channel now is filled with 4chan people copy pasting NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER everywhere it's annoying.
Anyway he was just a skinny WoW nerd that did steroids and let it get to him. Anyone doing that much roids and not doing a totally stupid routine + diet with enough protein would get big. I really don't understand the fascination with him, maybe because he posted on 4chan before and made a load of stupid videos. Him and his gang of friends would fit perfectly into the next cast of Jersey Shore.
I'm not surprised at all he died just like I wasn't surprised Ryan Dunn from Jackass died.
Seriously if he was your motivation to start working out I feel bad for you.
On August 12 2011 22:18 pyrogenetix wrote: Lol pretty surprised that this thread got to 17 pages on TL. Seems that the influx of 4chan people to TL is pretty big. Even iccup D channel now is filled with 4chan people copy pasting NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER everywhere it's annoying.
Anyway he was just a skinny WoW nerd that did steroids and let it get to him. Anyone doing that much roids and not doing a totally stupid routine + diet with enough protein would get big. I really don't understand the fascination with him, maybe because he posted on 4chan before and made a load of stupid videos. Him and his gang of friends would fit perfectly into the next cast of Jersey Shore.
I'm not surprised at all he died just like I wasn't surprised Ryan Dunn from Jackass died.
Seriously if he was your motivation to start working out I feel bad for you.
On August 12 2011 22:18 pyrogenetix wrote: Lol pretty surprised that this thread got to 17 pages on TL. Seems that the influx of 4chan people to TL is pretty big. Even iccup D channel now is filled with 4chan people copy pasting NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER everywhere it's annoying.
Anyway he was just a skinny WoW nerd that did steroids and let it get to him. Anyone doing that much roids and not doing a totally stupid routine + diet with enough protein would get big. I really don't understand the fascination with him, maybe because he posted on 4chan before and made a load of stupid videos. Him and his gang of friends would fit perfectly into the next cast of Jersey Shore.
I'm not surprised at all he died just like I wasn't surprised Ryan Dunn from Jackass died.
Seriously if he was your motivation to start working out I feel bad for you.
You're an asshole.
I personally believe that he didnt do ANY roids, but that's besides the point. He was an inspiration because he used to be a skinny little turd that played WoW all day, but he changed that, he became an entertainer and a great amateur bodybuilder that tried to live life to the fullest, which he did.
On August 12 2011 22:18 pyrogenetix wrote: Lol pretty surprised that this thread got to 17 pages on TL. Seems that the influx of 4chan people to TL is pretty big. Even iccup D channel now is filled with 4chan people copy pasting NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER everywhere it's annoying.
Anyway he was just a skinny WoW nerd that did steroids and let it get to him. Anyone doing that much roids and not doing a totally stupid routine + diet with enough protein would get big. I really don't understand the fascination with him, maybe because he posted on 4chan before and made a load of stupid videos. Him and his gang of friends would fit perfectly into the next cast of Jersey Shore.
I'm not surprised at all he died just like I wasn't surprised Ryan Dunn from Jackass died.
Seriously if he was your motivation to start working out I feel bad for you.
Wow... you clearly only knew him for his online trolling persona, which if you did a little research you would realize it was merely a method of becoming famous. Please don't make stupid, ignorant posts like that when you don't know the real Zyzz. There's a reason he inspired over 70 thousand people to start lifting and stay motivated.
On August 12 2011 22:18 pyrogenetix wrote: Lol pretty surprised that this thread got to 17 pages on TL. Seems that the influx of 4chan people to TL is pretty big. Even iccup D channel now is filled with 4chan people copy pasting NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER everywhere it's annoying.
Anyway he was just a skinny WoW nerd that did steroids and let it get to him. Anyone doing that much roids and not doing a totally stupid routine + diet with enough protein would get big. I really don't understand the fascination with him, maybe because he posted on 4chan before and made a load of stupid videos. Him and his gang of friends would fit perfectly into the next cast of Jersey Shore.
I'm not surprised at all he died just like I wasn't surprised Ryan Dunn from Jackass died.
Seriously if he was your motivation to start working out I feel bad for you.
Wow... you clearly only knew him for his online trolling persona, which if you did a little research you would realize it was merely a method of becoming famous. Please don't make stupid, ignorant posts like that when you don't know the real Zyzz. There's a reason he inspired over 70 thousand people to start lifting and stay motivated.
How is being a douche to get famous any better than just being a douche?
On August 12 2011 04:09 GrimReefer wrote: usually i find most of these guys to be douchebags, but i liked him. he was pretty funny. like when he does push-ups in a restaurant or dances in a random place. he was always smiling and enjoying life. even the typical mirror staring that i always hate in the gym, i laughed when he did it. you could tell that he was a skinny kid that got ripped. he enjoyed his size and the attention it brought. he wasn't just another ripped douchebag, he funny outgoing. i wish i had known about him sooner.
you made me laugh today and made me happy. thank you
On August 12 2011 22:18 pyrogenetix wrote: Lol pretty surprised that this thread got to 17 pages on TL. Seems that the influx of 4chan people to TL is pretty big. Even iccup D channel now is filled with 4chan people copy pasting NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER everywhere it's annoying.
Anyway he was just a skinny WoW nerd that did steroids and let it get to him. Anyone doing that much roids and not doing a totally stupid routine + diet with enough protein would get big. I really don't understand the fascination with him, maybe because he posted on 4chan before and made a load of stupid videos. Him and his gang of friends would fit perfectly into the next cast of Jersey Shore.
I'm not surprised at all he died just like I wasn't surprised Ryan Dunn from Jackass died.
Seriously if he was your motivation to start working out I feel bad for you.
Wow... you clearly only knew him for his online trolling persona, which if you did a little research you would realize it was merely a method of becoming famous. Please don't make stupid, ignorant posts like that when you don't know the real Zyzz. There's a reason he inspired over 70 thousand people to start lifting and stay motivated.
How is being a douche to get famous any better than just being a douche?
What makes you think he was ever a douche to get famous? The 'zyzz' character was just that, a character playing up his ego and bringing people lols. Az the actual person was a down to earth person whos charisma was unmatched by anybody and he was super easy to get along with.
He inspired many to get off their ass and change their lives, there are countless testimonials online from people who decided to change their lives for the better because of zyzz
It's sad to see that there are stupid ignorant people such as yourself out there, talking shit about someone who they don't even know. lol.
On August 12 2011 22:18 pyrogenetix wrote: Lol pretty surprised that this thread got to 17 pages on TL. Seems that the influx of 4chan people to TL is pretty big. Even iccup D channel now is filled with 4chan people copy pasting NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER everywhere it's annoying.
Anyway he was just a skinny WoW nerd that did steroids and let it get to him. Anyone doing that much roids and not doing a totally stupid routine + diet with enough protein would get big. I really don't understand the fascination with him, maybe because he posted on 4chan before and made a load of stupid videos. Him and his gang of friends would fit perfectly into the next cast of Jersey Shore.
I'm not surprised at all he died just like I wasn't surprised Ryan Dunn from Jackass died.
Seriously if he was your motivation to start working out I feel bad for you.
Wow... you clearly only knew him for his online trolling persona, which if you did a little research you would realize it was merely a method of becoming famous. Please don't make stupid, ignorant posts like that when you don't know the real Zyzz. There's a reason he inspired over 70 thousand people to start lifting and stay motivated.
How is being a douche to get famous any better than just being a douche?
What makes you think he was ever a douche to get famous? The 'zyzz' character was just that, a character playing up his ego and bringing people lols. Az the actual person was a down to earth person whos charisma was unmatched by anybody and he was super easy to get along with.
He inspired many to get off their ass and change their lives, there are countless testimonials online from people who decided to change their lives for the better because of zyzz
It's sad to see that there are stupid ignorant people such as yourself out there, talking shit about someone who they don't even know. lol.
Clearly you're too in love with him to understand what I'm saying. PLAYING A CHARACTER to get famous is no better than actually having the characteristics of the fake personality you play.
On August 12 2011 22:18 pyrogenetix wrote: Lol pretty surprised that this thread got to 17 pages on TL. Seems that the influx of 4chan people to TL is pretty big. Even iccup D channel now is filled with 4chan people copy pasting NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER everywhere it's annoying.
Anyway he was just a skinny WoW nerd that did steroids and let it get to him. Anyone doing that much roids and not doing a totally stupid routine + diet with enough protein would get big. I really don't understand the fascination with him, maybe because he posted on 4chan before and made a load of stupid videos. Him and his gang of friends would fit perfectly into the next cast of Jersey Shore.
I'm not surprised at all he died just like I wasn't surprised Ryan Dunn from Jackass died.
Seriously if he was your motivation to start working out I feel bad for you.
Wow... you clearly only knew him for his online trolling persona, which if you did a little research you would realize it was merely a method of becoming famous. Please don't make stupid, ignorant posts like that when you don't know the real Zyzz. There's a reason he inspired over 70 thousand people to start lifting and stay motivated.
How is being a douche to get famous any better than just being a douche?
What makes you think he was ever a douche to get famous? The 'zyzz' character was just that, a character playing up his ego and bringing people lols. Az the actual person was a down to earth person whos charisma was unmatched by anybody and he was super easy to get along with.
He inspired many to get off their ass and change their lives, there are countless testimonials online from people who decided to change their lives for the better because of zyzz
It's sad to see that there are stupid ignorant people such as yourself out there, talking shit about someone who they don't even know. lol.
Clearly you're too in love with him to understand what I'm saying. PLAYING A CHARACTER to get famous is no better than actually having the characteristics of the fake personality you play.
First of all there was nothing wrong with the characteristics of the fake personality he played as everything was for the lols and nothing serious, and he never hurt anybody in the process. Second, sorry to tell you but you don't become famous by being a nice, down to earth guy. And if you don't become famous you will never have the chance to inspire thousands of people.
I used to be critical of the guy myself before I discovered who he was and what he stood for.
On August 12 2011 22:18 pyrogenetix wrote: Lol pretty surprised that this thread got to 17 pages on TL. Seems that the influx of 4chan people to TL is pretty big. Even iccup D channel now is filled with 4chan people copy pasting NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER everywhere it's annoying.
Anyway he was just a skinny WoW nerd that did steroids and let it get to him. Anyone doing that much roids and not doing a totally stupid routine + diet with enough protein would get big. I really don't understand the fascination with him, maybe because he posted on 4chan before and made a load of stupid videos. Him and his gang of friends would fit perfectly into the next cast of Jersey Shore.
I'm not surprised at all he died just like I wasn't surprised Ryan Dunn from Jackass died.
Seriously if he was your motivation to start working out I feel bad for you.
Wow... you clearly only knew him for his online trolling persona, which if you did a little research you would realize it was merely a method of becoming famous. Please don't make stupid, ignorant posts like that when you don't know the real Zyzz. There's a reason he inspired over 70 thousand people to start lifting and stay motivated.
How is being a douche to get famous any better than just being a douche?
What makes you think he was ever a douche to get famous? The 'zyzz' character was just that, a character playing up his ego and bringing people lols. Az the actual person was a down to earth person whos charisma was unmatched by anybody and he was super easy to get along with.
He inspired many to get off their ass and change their lives, there are countless testimonials online from people who decided to change their lives for the better because of zyzz
It's sad to see that there are stupid ignorant people such as yourself out there, talking shit about someone who they don't even know. lol.
Clearly you're too in love with him to understand what I'm saying. PLAYING A CHARACTER to get famous is no better than actually having the characteristics of the fake personality you play.
Using this logic, Stephen Colbert's a terrible person. Good, uh, argument?
On August 12 2011 22:18 pyrogenetix wrote: Lol pretty surprised that this thread got to 17 pages on TL. Seems that the influx of 4chan people to TL is pretty big. Even iccup D channel now is filled with 4chan people copy pasting NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER everywhere it's annoying.
Anyway he was just a skinny WoW nerd that did steroids and let it get to him. Anyone doing that much roids and not doing a totally stupid routine + diet with enough protein would get big. I really don't understand the fascination with him, maybe because he posted on 4chan before and made a load of stupid videos. Him and his gang of friends would fit perfectly into the next cast of Jersey Shore.
I'm not surprised at all he died just like I wasn't surprised Ryan Dunn from Jackass died.
Seriously if he was your motivation to start working out I feel bad for you.
Wow... you clearly only knew him for his online trolling persona, which if you did a little research you would realize it was merely a method of becoming famous. Please don't make stupid, ignorant posts like that when you don't know the real Zyzz. There's a reason he inspired over 70 thousand people to start lifting and stay motivated.
How is being a douche to get famous any better than just being a douche?
What makes you think he was ever a douche to get famous? The 'zyzz' character was just that, a character playing up his ego and bringing people lols. Az the actual person was a down to earth person whos charisma was unmatched by anybody and he was super easy to get along with.
He inspired many to get off their ass and change their lives, there are countless testimonials online from people who decided to change their lives for the better because of zyzz
It's sad to see that there are stupid ignorant people such as yourself out there, talking shit about someone who they don't even know. lol.
Clearly you're too in love with him to understand what I'm saying. PLAYING A CHARACTER to get famous is no better than actually having the characteristics of the fake personality you play.
Yeah, I suppose many actors are bad people then.
What's wrong with playing a character? It's what the entertainment industry is based on. Unless you're trying to say that actors are all horrible people.
On August 12 2011 04:09 GrimReefer wrote: usually i find most of these guys to be douchebags, but i liked him. he was pretty funny. like when he does push-ups in a restaurant or dances in a random place. he was always smiling and enjoying life. even the typical mirror staring that i always hate in the gym, i laughed when he did it. you could tell that he was a skinny kid that got ripped. he enjoyed his size and the attention it brought. he wasn't just another ripped douchebag, he funny outgoing. i wish i had known about him sooner.
you made me laugh today and made me happy. thank you
On August 12 2011 04:09 GrimReefer wrote: usually i find most of these guys to be douchebags, but i liked him. he was pretty funny. like when he does push-ups in a restaurant or dances in a random place. he was always smiling and enjoying life. even the typical mirror staring that i always hate in the gym, i laughed when he did it. you could tell that he was a skinny kid that got ripped. he enjoyed his size and the attention it brought. he wasn't just another ripped douchebag, he funny outgoing. i wish i had known about him sooner.
you made me laugh today and made me happy. thank you
On August 13 2011 09:44 Pns wrote: dude had it coming. heart condition + steroids = retards recipe for health
yeah that undiagnosed heart condition, he should have taken it into account
Yeah he should definitely have taken into account the undiagnosed heart condition. Also known as the heart condition he didn't know about. Use your common sense if you have any.
On August 13 2011 09:44 Pns wrote: dude had it coming. heart condition + steroids = retards recipe for health
yeah that undiagnosed heart condition, he should have taken it into account
Yeah he should definitely have taken into account the undiagnosed heart condition. Also known as the heart condition he didn't know about. Use your common sense if you have any.
wouldnt be surprised if it was the steroids... its pretty sad. i remember in one of his videos he asked a taxi driver if he can drive him to olympia because he was the son of zeus or sumin.. that was pretty hilarious xD laughed at that for awhile.. he was a troll.. but nonetheless a death is sad whoever it is..
Even if you do not agree with his lifestyle and do not like his attitude and personality (whether if it is a role he played or not) I think it is at least fair to say that his dedication and willpower is admirable. I'd say that most people would have given up after a pretty short amount of time but he sticked to his vision and worked very very hard for it.
I didn't know him before I discovered this thread and I still couldn't disagree more with how he shows himself in his videos but after reading some interviews I can definitely see how he was and can be an inspiration for a lot of people who want to change something in their lives (it doesn't even necessarily have something to do with bodybuilding).
Whether it was his possible drug/steroid abuse that killed him or not does just not matter. He wasn't perfect but he showed what we could be capable of if we work hard.
Edit: Check out this Interview for example. Totally different from his videos.
On August 13 2011 09:44 Pns wrote: dude had it coming. heart condition + steroids = retards recipe for health
Stop saying that it was steroids.
Do you realize steroids make your heart huge and put it through a ton of stress? It was steroids, mang.
Steroids don't make your heart large in-and-of themselves. Exercise does. The ability to increase muscle mass faster while on steroids inevitably leads to heart muscle growing faster than what it would normally, but it wont kill you. Look at some of the pro-bodybuilders who juice MASSIVELY more than zyzz and all of his mate. They are still alive.
On August 13 2011 09:44 Pns wrote: dude had it coming. heart condition + steroids = retards recipe for health
Stop saying that it was steroids.
Do you realize steroids make your heart huge and put it through a ton of stress? It was steroids, mang.
Steroids don't make your heart large in-and-of themselves. Exercise does. The ability to increase muscle mass faster while on steroids inevitably leads to heart muscle growing faster than what it would normally, but it wont kill you. Look at some of the pro-bodybuilders who juice MASSIVELY more than zyzz and all of his mate. They are still alive.
Steroids aren't as bad as the media tells you.
No, it just kills some people. It's obviously not bad at all.
On August 13 2011 09:44 Pns wrote: dude had it coming. heart condition + steroids = retards recipe for health
yeah that undiagnosed heart condition, he should have taken it into account
Yeah he should definitely have taken into account the undiagnosed heart condition. Also known as the heart condition he didn't know about. Use your common sense if you have any.
I'm going to go ahead and assume you're not replying to me, because if you are you're a fucking idiot, you'll excuse me if I continue not adding [sarcasm] tags to my posts.
On August 13 2011 09:44 Pns wrote: dude had it coming. heart condition + steroids = retards recipe for health
Stop saying that it was steroids.
Do you realize steroids make your heart huge and put it through a ton of stress? It was steroids, mang.
Steroids don't make your heart large in-and-of themselves. Exercise does. The ability to increase muscle mass faster while on steroids inevitably leads to heart muscle growing faster than what it would normally, but it wont kill you. Look at some of the pro-bodybuilders who juice MASSIVELY more than zyzz and all of his mate. They are still alive.
Steroids aren't as bad as the media tells you.
No, it just kills some people. It's obviously not bad at all.
Sure, just link me some confirmed deaths as the result of steroid use.
On August 13 2011 09:44 Pns wrote: dude had it coming. heart condition + steroids = retards recipe for health
yeah that undiagnosed heart condition, he should have taken it into account
Yeah he should definitely have taken into account the undiagnosed heart condition. Also known as the heart condition he didn't know about. Use your common sense if you have any.
I'm going to go ahead and assume you're not replying to me, because if you are you're a fucking idiot, you'll excuse me if I continue not adding [sarcasm] tags to my posts.
Well someone seems a bit upset. Obviously i didn't think you were being sarcastic. I don't understand what you were trying to accomplish by saying you were assuming i wasn't replying to you. Must be some douchey way of trying to be condescending. And calling me a fucking idiot may be a bit much, don't you think? I didn't mean to make you start sweating and getting all red faced with rage. Now go play with your pussy, lol.
On August 13 2011 09:44 Pns wrote: dude had it coming. heart condition + steroids = retards recipe for health
yeah that undiagnosed heart condition, he should have taken it into account
Yeah he should definitely have taken into account the undiagnosed heart condition. Also known as the heart condition he didn't know about. Use your common sense if you have any.
I'm going to go ahead and assume you're not replying to me, because if you are you're a fucking idiot, you'll excuse me if I continue not adding [sarcasm] tags to my posts.
Well someone seems a bit upset. Obviously i didn't think you were being sarcastic. I don't understand what you were trying to accomplish by saying you were assuming i wasn't replying to you. Must be some douchey way of trying to be condescending. And calling me a fucking idiot may be a bit much, don't you think? I didn't mean to make you start sweating and getting all red faced with rage. Now go play with your pussy, lol.
You started the unnecessary condescension, I just continued it. I apologize for assuming that you were more intelligent than to think I was being serious. In keeping with the thread's theme, I have to ask...
U a fucken mad cunt brah? U mirin' my sarcast-thetics?
On August 13 2011 09:44 Pns wrote: dude had it coming. heart condition + steroids = retards recipe for health
yeah that undiagnosed heart condition, he should have taken it into account
Yeah he should definitely have taken into account the undiagnosed heart condition. Also known as the heart condition he didn't know about. Use your common sense if you have any.
I'm going to go ahead and assume you're not replying to me, because if you are you're a fucking idiot, you'll excuse me if I continue not adding [sarcasm] tags to my posts.
Well someone seems a bit upset. Obviously i didn't think you were being sarcastic. I don't understand what you were trying to accomplish by saying you were assuming i wasn't replying to you. Must be some douchey way of trying to be condescending. And calling me a fucking idiot may be a bit much, don't you think? I didn't mean to make you start sweating and getting all red faced with rage. Now go play with your pussy, lol.
You started the unnecessary condescension, I just continued it. I apologize for assuming that you were more intelligent than to think I was being serious. In keeping with the thread's theme, I have to ask...
U a fucken mad cunt brah? U mirin' my sarcast-thetics?
Oh wow, your cleverness astounds me. I now see that everything you say is sarcastic. You seem like a very pleasant person!
I have never heard of this Zyzz, but just want to clarify for anyone who is confused, this is not the professional rogue player from WoW MLG etc named Zyz.
It sucks for anyone to die that young. I have never heard of him, does not seem like I was missing a ton, but whatever. I wish the best for his family and fans.
On August 13 2011 09:44 Pns wrote: dude had it coming. heart condition + steroids = retards recipe for health
yeah that undiagnosed heart condition, he should have taken it into account
Yeah he should definitely have taken into account the undiagnosed heart condition. Also known as the heart condition he didn't know about. Use your common sense if you have any.
I'm going to go ahead and assume you're not replying to me, because if you are you're a fucking idiot, you'll excuse me if I continue not adding [sarcasm] tags to my posts.
Well someone seems a bit upset. Obviously i didn't think you were being sarcastic. I don't understand what you were trying to accomplish by saying you were assuming i wasn't replying to you. Must be some douchey way of trying to be condescending. And calling me a fucking idiot may be a bit much, don't you think? I didn't mean to make you start sweating and getting all red faced with rage. Now go play with your pussy, lol.
You started the unnecessary condescension, I just continued it. I apologize for assuming that you were more intelligent than to think I was being serious. In keeping with the thread's theme, I have to ask...
U a fucken mad cunt brah? U mirin' my sarcast-thetics?
LMAO
u guys see the vid wurr he gets ice-cream.. had me lolling
The amount of people in this thread defending steroids blows my mind... No, they obviously won't kill you if you take a couple, neither will cocaine, neither will heroïne, are any of them good for you? No. Stop making up excuses, they're flat out bad for you and will shorten your lifespan immensely if you take them frequently. I really hope this guy hasn't convinced people taking drugs is alright, because they will ruin your life.
hahaha nice find I was lmao at those videos. I've searched youtube all over the place for Zyzz videos and thought I'd seen them all... apparently not :D
For all the people who think they know something about biochem and dont, let me clear up this steroid situation for you.
Steroids that are most commonly used are anabolic steroids. Some of these steroids actually have medicinal value and are prescribed by physicians. The problem with most people that do take steroids (not saying he did for sure) is they take a very high dosage. The only heart related issues in this case would be the increase in LDL cholesterol which is bad and a lower count in HDL, which is the good stuff. Another issue is the amount of weight he put on in the time period. He went from about 130/140 or so to 220 in 3-4 years. This can put enormous amounts of stress on the heart as well, coupled with the fact that Zyzz did no cardio in his training.
Hope this clears up some of this dumb steroid misconception shit. People dont just take steroids and die at 22, its almost impossible unless he had an adverse reaction to them. (If he did in fact take them)
pretty messed up. who the hell steals someone's clothes? -_-
also i lol at this
"Records show Mr Shavershian had spent $20,000 in Thailand according to a friend who did not want to be identified."
so is it from your records or is it from a second hand account from a friend? or do you records show there was a second hand account from a friend that he spent that much? ninemsn so crap. :/
On August 14 2011 11:40 stOpSKY wrote: For all the people who think they know something about biochem and dont, let me clear up this steroid situation for you.
Steroids that are most commonly used are anabolic steroids. Some of these steroids actually have medicinal value and are prescribed by physicians. The problem with most people that do take steroids (not saying he did for sure) is they take a very high dosage. The only heart related issues in this case would be the increase in LDL cholesterol which is bad and a lower count in HDL, which is the good stuff. Another issue is the amount of weight he put on in the time period. He went from about 130/140 or so to 220 in 3-4 years. This can put enormous amounts of stress on the heart as well, coupled with the fact that Zyzz did no cardio in his training.
Hope this clears up some of this dumb steroid misconception shit. People dont just take steroids and die at 22, its almost impossible unless he had an adverse reaction to them. (If he did in fact take them)
How about HGH, tren, clen and the other types of steroids/fat burners? I know abolutely nothing about anything steroid related, but I know a lot of the guys that juice take more than just an anabolic steroid. I also know that things like HGH can cause enlarged organs, heart included, which can cause complications.
Can you clear that stuff up too?
Also, hoping he comes back on the 19th as speculated, but it's doubtful.
He had more gains in 2 years, than me in 4 years. Although I would say, I am carrying his legacy quite nicely in terms of bodybuilding, and trolling chicks in real life.
I am still baffled how so many people in team liquid know about bodybuilding and pickup.
On August 14 2011 11:40 stOpSKY wrote: For all the people who think they know something about biochem and dont, let me clear up this steroid situation for you.
Steroids that are most commonly used are anabolic steroids. Some of these steroids actually have medicinal value and are prescribed by physicians. The problem with most people that do take steroids (not saying he did for sure) is they take a very high dosage. The only heart related issues in this case would be the increase in LDL cholesterol which is bad and a lower count in HDL, which is the good stuff. Another issue is the amount of weight he put on in the time period. He went from about 130/140 or so to 220 in 3-4 years. This can put enormous amounts of stress on the heart as well, coupled with the fact that Zyzz did no cardio in his training.
Hope this clears up some of this dumb steroid misconception shit. People dont just take steroids and die at 22, its almost impossible unless he had an adverse reaction to them. (If he did in fact take them)
How about HGH, tren, clen and the other types of steroids/fat burners? I know abolutely nothing about anything steroid related, but I know a lot of the guys that juice take more than just an anabolic steroid. I also know that things like HGH can cause enlarged organs, heart included, which can cause complications.
Can you clear that stuff up too?
Also, hoping he comes back on the 19th as speculated, but it's doubtful.
HGH can cause enlarged organs and bones to grow abnormally which can lead to a shorter life span. That is only if you take insane amounts of HGH. Like the Top bodybuilders are all consuming about 10-20x the amount of juice the recreational user is taking and they are the ones that should have all the problems which they do get but they aren't dropping like flies like the media would have us believe.
If zyzz was not doing any cardio then he was definitely taking clenbuterol with his gear to maintain his low bodyfat%. Clenbuterol increases your heartrate and insane amount to increase your metabolism and if he was taking that with juice and then taking recreational drugs like ex or cocaine that also increase your heartrate his heart probably just couldn't cope with it especially after gaining 80 pounds in 3 years.
Steroids can kill you but only if you really don't follow the guidelines. Heck you can kill yourself just by injecting if your unlucky and stupid as hell.
On August 17 2011 09:21 squattincassanova wrote: He had more gains in 2 years, than me in 4 years. Although I would say, I am carrying his legacy quite nicely in terms of bodybuilding, and trolling chicks in real life.
you mentioned in the zyzz thread that zyzz gained more in 2 years than you did in 3-4.
mind if i ask if you used any gear/juice or just all natural (i even consider pro hormones natural while some people don't)? how much do you weigh/height/bf% by chance if you don't mind mentioning. what kind of training regiment do you do?
just wondering if someone would openly admit that especially on TL considering the crowd and how uneducated most people are on steroid use..
Someone was asking me what I took and what I do:
1. protein 2. creatine 3. NO pre workout 4. Multi vitamins 5. glucosamine/celadrin 6. BCAA
here is an old picture of my stash. I dont use some of the stuff there now. Yes, you mirin the gummy bears.
I stopped gaining in the last 2 years, been plateaued around 200 pounds @ 6 feet, my strength has gone up however. Basically getting more tapered. My routine is "Starting Strength" by Mark Rippetoe and then some other supplemental exercises. I think even though ZYZZ has a much better upper body, I probably can squat more than him. 450 at the moment. My bench is 280 and my deadlift is 480. Im at around 8-10% body fat which fluctuates. I have a fast metabolism so my diet is not strict.
Never took steroids or anything like that. The hardest thing for me was to eat enough. Thats really the key to gaining muscle. I just have a hard time stuffing my face between work and my daily schedule. Sometimes I forget.
you mentioned in the zyzz thread that zyzz gained more in 2 years than you did in 3-4.
mind if i ask if you used any gear/juice or just all natural (i even consider pro hormones natural while some people don't)? how much do you weigh/height/bf% by chance if you don't mind mentioning. what kind of training regiment do you do?
just wondering if someone would openly admit that especially on TL considering the crowd and how uneducated most people are on steroid use..
Someone was asking me what I took and what I do:
1. protein 2. creatine 3. NO pre workout 4. Multi vitamins 5. glucosamine/celadrin 6. BCAA
here is an old picture of my stash. I dont use some of the stuff there now. Yes, you mirin the gummy bears.
I stopped gaining in the last 2 years, been plateaued around 200 pounds @ 6 feet, my strength has gone up however. Basically getting more tapered. My routine is "Starting Strength" by Mark Rippetoe and then some other supplemental exercises. I think even though ZYZZ has a much better upper body, I probably can squat more than him. 450 at the moment. My bench is 280 and my deadlift is 480. Im at around 8-10% body fat which fluctuates. I have a fast metabolism so my diet is not strict.
Never took steroids or anything like that. The hardest thing for me was to eat enough. Thats really the key to gaining muscle. I just have a hard time stuffing my face between work and my daily schedule. Sometimes I forget.
..you should contact Rip about being the SS poster boy, if this is true. Wow. Nicely done, dude. How have you not plateaued on SS in four years?
Bodybuilding is not so much about knowledge as it is stuffing your face with food and getting your ass to the gym.
Why do you think there are so many meatheads that are successful at it? Its simply a matter of going for it. Its not the knowledge that pushes you to finish that last rep.
On August 14 2011 13:24 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Today in the gym, someone asked me if I was aware, and then asked if I was a Zyzz fan. We had a bro moment of silence.
Those were the most motivated front squats I've ever done in my life.
On August 17 2011 14:12 squattincassanova wrote: Bodybuilding is not so much about knowledge as it is stuffing your face with food and getting your ass to the gym.
Why do you think there are so many meatheads that are successful at it? Its simply a matter of going for it. Its not the knowledge that pushes you to finish that last rep.
On August 17 2011 14:12 squattincassanova wrote: Bodybuilding is not so much about knowledge as it is stuffing your face with food and getting your ass to the gym.
Why do you think there are so many meatheads that are successful at it? Its simply a matter of going for it. Its not the knowledge that pushes you to finish that last rep.
Looking thick. Solid. Tight (etc...).
What's that, 79kg at 9-10% 5'10? Your physique looks like mine in the shirtless pic (although I'm 6'1 which means I have to stuff my face even more with food :>)
RIP, the vanity of the human mind truly amazes me sometimes. I don't understand why somebody would purposely push one's body far beyond the body's tolerance. There's a fine line between inspiration and ignorance.
On August 17 2011 16:47 nodnod wrote: RIP, the vanity of the human mind truly amazes me sometimes. I don't understand why somebody would purposely push one's body far beyond the body's tolerance. There's a fine line between inspiration and ignorance.
Much like women have eating disorders, men can have body-building disorders. I'm not trying to be comedic, but it's the same principle of feeling compelled to be a certain way, feeling like you look worse than you are, excessively trying to reach an unattainable goal, phobia of doing things that would make you further from the goal...etc.
I wouldn't say vanity, but I would say it's a probability that the guy had some sort of mental issues that made him do that.
On August 14 2011 13:24 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Today in the gym, someone asked me if I was aware, and then asked if I was a Zyzz fan. We had a bro moment of silence.
Those were the most motivated front squats I've ever done in my life.
haha right 0n br0 get jack3d!!!!!!!!!!!!
im on jack3d right now. I took 4 years of White Flood from Controlled Labs. I think both are decent. I dont get as much kick as I did first time on pre workout drinks.
On August 17 2011 17:44 squattincassanova wrote: I saw this:
And I had to run outside and grab a random girl.
I think I did it better though. Lmao.
Zyzz definitely did it better in form and lady (o-O). Why are you comparing everything you can do to this guy who passed away. Did you know him IRL or something?
On August 17 2011 09:21 squattincassanova wrote: He had more gains in 2 years, than me in 4 years. Although I would say, I am carrying his legacy quite nicely in terms of bodybuilding, and trolling chicks in real life.
I am still baffled how so many people in team liquid know about bodybuilding and pickup.
No, just no. You're not carrying anything from his legacy. Zyzz is Zyzz and nobody can compare. It'd be selfish to think you're at his level. You might look good, but then again so do a million others.
On August 17 2011 16:47 nodnod wrote: RIP, the vanity of the human mind truly amazes me sometimes. I don't understand why somebody would purposely push one's body far beyond the body's tolerance. There's a fine line between inspiration and ignorance.
On August 10 2011 07:15 hypnoxide wrote: Wow, can't believe I heard this first on TL of all places. Zyzz was inspirational and it's sad that he's gone, I can barely believe it. He inspired many, including myself to start lifting for aesthetics.
To any ignorant posters, pre-empting from replies in other threads, do not hate because Zyzz took steroids, steroids do not cause cardiac arrest and he never lied about his use.
On August 17 2011 16:47 nodnod wrote: RIP, the vanity of the human mind truly amazes me sometimes. I don't understand why somebody would purposely push one's body far beyond the body's tolerance. There's a fine line between inspiration and ignorance.
And you're showing it.
it all depends on one's perspective, ain't it?
interestingly you used pretty much the same two words in your first post on this topic, except you're obviously inspired by the guy. out of respect to Zyzz's passing, I'm just gonna say each to his own. stay healthy.
On August 17 2011 14:12 squattincassanova wrote: Bodybuilding is not so much about knowledge as it is stuffing your face with food and getting your ass to the gym.
Why do you think there are so many meatheads that are successful at it? Its simply a matter of going for it. Its not the knowledge that pushes you to finish that last rep.
I can't really agree with this. Knowledge helps you use the correct form, correct nutrition, increase mobility, realize that compound movements > isolation in terms of overall growth, etc..
There are meatheads with the Jersey Shore build, sure, but you'll never be GREAT if you just blindly eat and bicep curl.
On August 17 2011 09:21 squattincassanova wrote: He had more gains in 2 years, than me in 4 years. Although I would say, I am carrying his legacy quite nicely in terms of bodybuilding, and trolling chicks in real life.
I am still baffled how so many people in team liquid know about bodybuilding and pickup.
No, just no. You're not carrying anything from his legacy. Zyzz is Zyzz and nobody can compare. It'd be selfish to think you're at his level. You might look good, but then again so do a million others.
On August 17 2011 14:12 squattincassanova wrote: Bodybuilding is not so much about knowledge as it is stuffing your face with food and getting your ass to the gym.
Why do you think there are so many meatheads that are successful at it? Its simply a matter of going for it. Its not the knowledge that pushes you to finish that last rep.
I can't really agree with this. Knowledge helps you use the correct form, correct nutrition, increase mobility, realize that compound movements > isolation in terms of overall growth, etc..
There are meatheads with the Jersey Shore build, sure, but you'll never be GREAT if you just blindly eat and bicep curl.
Where did I say that you don't need any knowledge at all? You are obviously missing the point of my post and you are arguing something that everyone already knows.
Knowledge itself is not the make or break point of someone getting into a decent shape. By decent, I am talking about being in the top 10% of the population. All the bodybuilding, nutrition, form, equipment knowledge that you ever need is on the internet, then why do so many people fail? Its laziness and fear of pain and hard work.
Of course if you want to be Mr Olympia you need great trainers, and a lot of knowledge since you are competing in a very small subset of people who at the pinnacle. Is like that for any sport. The more advanced you are, the more special training you will need because you need that small edge. Its like learning something new at anything. When you start out, you get massive growth without a lot of gimmicks and tricks. As you hit a plateau, the complexity of the training increases. You tell a 500 pound fat guy to lose weight, he can do nothing but jumping jacks and still lose weight. You tell someone whos at 6% body fat to lose weight, takes a little bit more since you are already on one side of the spectrum.
Where did I say that you don't need any knowledge at all? You are obviously missing the point of my post and you are arguing something that everyone already knows.
Knowledge itself is not the make or break point of someone getting into a decent shape. By decent, I am talking about being in the top 10% of the population. All the bodybuilding, nutrition, form, equipment knowledge that you ever need is on the internet, then why do so many people fail? Its laziness and fear of pain and hard work.
Of course if you want to be Mr Olympia you need great trainers, and a lot of knowledge since you are competing in a very small subset of people who at the pinnacle. Is like that for any sport. The more advanced you are, the more special training you will need because you need that small edge. Its like learning something new at anything. When you start out, you get massive growth without a lot of gimmicks and tricks. As you hit a plateau, the complexity of the training increases. You tell a 500 pound fat guy to lose weight, he can do nothing but jumping jacks and still lose weight. You tell someone whos at 6% body fat to lose weight, takes a little bit more since you are already on one side of the spectrum.
I agree, bodybuilding is a lot more about actually putting in the work than reading hours of programs and trainig articles on the internet. Look at Zyzz, he trained like an Idiot (no disrespect, but his spilt was laughable), but he gave bodybuilding his everything and it showed.
To the people asking about HGH it does cause inlarged organs, bones and other bodily changes like osteoporosis. HGH is developed in the pituitary and part of endocrine function, developing bones and body mass/height. The synthetic injections of HGH are very dangerous due to a spike in levels causing damage to organs and bones, as well as being manufactured in very poor conditions. Over the counter "safe" HGH boosters are completely bullshit and please dont buy into them either. HGH is like I said produced in the pituitary and thus is located in the brain. When you digest these HGH boosters they go into your bloodstream but CAN'T cross the blood brain barrier(BBB). Thus it is clearly impossible for these drugs to actually have an effect on the body. A lot of them can have side effects such as elevated heart rate and high BP increases. Just remember to also consult your physician before taking ANY supplements.
On August 17 2011 09:21 squattincassanova wrote: He had more gains in 2 years, than me in 4 years. Although I would say, I am carrying his legacy quite nicely in terms of bodybuilding, and trolling chicks in real life.
I am still baffled how so many people in team liquid know about bodybuilding and pickup.
no man zyzz macked on 10s, come on... don't even.. lol
Honestly, on a dating website I would do that, too, if I were that ripped. Just for the irony. Hot chicks are not used to getting rejected hardcore like that. Hilarious.
On August 20 2011 11:02 shinosai wrote: Honestly, on a dating website I would do that, too, if I were that ripped. Just for the irony. Hot chicks are not used to getting rejected hardcore like that. Hilarious.
lol that's a pretty immature and bitter view to have. obviously you've had some damage dealt to you in the past rofl
On August 20 2011 11:02 shinosai wrote: Honestly, on a dating website I would do that, too, if I were that ripped. Just for the irony. Hot chicks are not used to getting rejected hardcore like that. Hilarious.
lol that's a pretty immature and bitter view to have. obviously you've had some damage dealt to you in the past rofl
I hold no ill will towards women. But on these dating sites, I've noticed a trend where the more beautiful a girl is, the more unrealistic her expectations. So seeing the tables turned is humorous. Indeed, the very definition of humor is the unexpected and incongruous. Immature and bitter, I'm sure, but dark humor usually is.
For those that use their appearance to make unreasonable demands, what could be more fitting than to be rejected by someone using the exact same criteria?
On August 20 2011 11:02 shinosai wrote: Honestly, on a dating website I would do that, too, if I were that ripped. Just for the irony. Hot chicks are not used to getting rejected hardcore like that. Hilarious.
lol that's a pretty immature and bitter view to have. obviously you've had some damage dealt to you in the past rofl
I hold no ill will towards women. But on these dating sites, I've noticed a trend where the more beautiful a girl is, the more unrealistic her expectations. So seeing the tables turned is humorous. Indeed, the very definition of humor is the unexpected and incongruous. Immature and bitter, I'm sure, but dark humor usually is.
For those that use their appearance to make unreasonable demands, what could be more fitting than to be rejected by someone using the exact same criteria?
well generally the more beautiful a girl is the higher her expectations will be. men have just as unrealistic expectations of women too.
that being said, i wonder how many of those girls on fb messaging zyzz were actually girls and not 40 year old men from russia trying to steal his photos and sell his personal details.
On August 20 2011 11:02 shinosai wrote: Honestly, on a dating website I would do that, too, if I were that ripped. Just for the irony. Hot chicks are not used to getting rejected hardcore like that. Hilarious.
lol that's a pretty immature and bitter view to have. obviously you've had some damage dealt to you in the past rofl
meh honestly i support all that zyzz trolling, most girls really are terrible ~_~ /jadednerd
I find nothing funny about how he treated those girls on facebook. Sure, I've read the explanation that he was fed up with superficial, good-looking chicks who wouldn't give him the time of the day when he was skinny and started to pay attention only when he got ripped, but I find that a very petty reason -- it's only human that they'll message someone they're attracted to, it's no different from how good-looking guys will ignore a fat girl until she's slimmed down.
That said, RIP. A life lost is a life lost, and from his interviews it actually seemed like there was an intelligent person beneath the troll persona.
The person who posted that thing from okcupid is really stupid, okcupid is a dating website of course she's going to message you, Zyzz got his message on facebook which is a social networking website.
On August 20 2011 12:58 d(O.o)a wrote: The person who posted that thing from okcupid is really stupid, okcupid is a dating website of course she's going to message you, Zyzz got his message on facebook which is a social networking website.
lol exactly. when u tell a girl off for trying to contact you through a dating website you signed up for, you only make yourself look like a jackass.
Guys, I am gonna chill out since I got warned for a post. I go out all the time and get harsh rejections. Its part of life. I just shrug it off because I also get a lot of successes. It was just something relating to ZYZZ that I thought I would post up. I'm usually very classy when it comes to turning down girls or even accepting a rejection. These girls get hundreds of messages a day, I am sure she forgot about it now. If you don't believe me, create a hot girl account and see how many guys message you on okCupid / PoF.
On August 17 2011 17:44 squattincassanova wrote: I saw this:
And I had to run outside and grab a random girl.
I think I did it better though. Lmao.
User was warned for this post
ahahaha there is no comparison. Zyzz took over a stall and picked that chick up, you went outside and ASKED some average asian chick to pose with you. Then you came here, posted the picture up, and told everyone you think you did it better. HAHAHAHA. So fail.
On August 10 2011 07:15 hypnoxide wrote: To any ignorant posters, pre-empting from replies in other threads, do not hate because Zyzz took steroids, steroids do not cause cardiac arrest and he never lied about his use.
It's always a tragedy when someone that young dies, but if his death can make other young people stop using steroids, then maybe something good can come out of it too.
I was 100% sure that he was dead, but all this lies from his friends about what really went down were driving me mad, And then, so many weird things, and lack of his photos form Thailand and all.
So to recap:
- Zyzz actually left Australia on July 16, but he never went to Thailand (that's why we don't have any picture of him or Thailand at all), he went to Miami (that's was he was going all alone) - He is still in Miami doing some thing for Monique at her clubs, and he's keeping in touch with his close friends who are the only source of his "death" - He definitely won't appear on Alki's battlecam challenge (so don't even watch that crap later), they are keeping him and preparing for something much bigger that will happen in the future
I've also send private message to Monique from my real facebook account about and hour ago, i wrote something like "So i see Zyzz is really alive and you and Alki are behind this, can you please tell me wtf is happening?"
I'm still waiting for an answer, Monique is offline since i got on today (she's probably online in a couple of hours), as soon as i get feedback from her, i will post it here.
I was 100% sure that he was dead, but all this lies from his friends about what really went down were driving me mad, And then, so many weird things, and lack of his photos form Thailand and all.
So to recap:
- Zyzz actually left Australia on July 16, but he never went to Thailand (that's why we don't have any picture of him or Thailand at all), he went to Miami (that's was he was going all alone) - He is still in Miami doing some thing for Monique at her clubs, and he's keeping in touch with his close friends who are the only source of his "death" - He definitely won't appear on Alki's battlecam challenge (so don't even watch that crap later), they are keeping him and preparing for something much bigger that will happen in the future
I've also send private message to Monique from my real facebook account about and hour ago, i wrote something like "So i see Zyzz is really alive and you and Alki are behind this, can you please tell me wtf is happening?"
I'm still waiting for an answer, Monique is offline since i got on today (she's probably online in a couple of hours), as soon as i get feedback from her, i will post it here.
I posted in the original Zyzz thread and initially asked who zyzz was and why he was TL news-worthy. Rather than explain to me that he was an incredible World of Warcraft player in vanilla WoW, everyone decided to get their panties in a twist and get incredibly defensive. If someone had just told me who he was i would have respectfully left you all to discuss, but the original OP was vague and didnt offer much info at all.
I stated that his death was not a tragedy in my eyes, because i had no idea who he was. While death is always tragic in nature, we do not mourn for those who we have never known or heard of. This is simply fact, and it should not have been received with the wave of 'OMFG WTF GTFO' which followed.
While i am very sorry to have derailed / closed the original thread, a simple note of relevance would have prevented all of my confusion, and the resulting drama.
Sorry for the bump but I thought this was important and din't want to make a new topic. It's the final video of Zyzz, posted by his brother Chestbrah and using unseen footage. Today would have been Zyzz's 23rd birthday.
I was going to post as soon as it got uploaded but I figured people wouldn't understand that "Zyzz is an just an act", and would be put off by the way he talks.
But yes this puts all the theories to rest, he is dead.
RIP
Also I was listening to this right when I saw the bump FUUUUUUUUUUUUARK
On August 12 2011 22:18 pyrogenetix wrote: Lol pretty surprised that this thread got to 17 pages on TL. Seems that the influx of 4chan people to TL is pretty big. Even iccup D channel now is filled with 4chan people copy pasting NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER everywhere it's annoying.
Anyway he was just a skinny WoW nerd that did steroids and let it get to him. Anyone doing that much roids and not doing a totally stupid routine + diet with enough protein would get big. I really don't understand the fascination with him, maybe because he posted on 4chan before and made a load of stupid videos. Him and his gang of friends would fit perfectly into the next cast of Jersey Shore.
I'm not surprised at all he died just like I wasn't surprised Ryan Dunn from Jackass died.
Seriously if he was your motivation to start working out I feel bad for you.
Wow... you clearly only knew him for his online trolling persona, which if you did a little research you would realize it was merely a method of becoming famous. Please don't make stupid, ignorant posts like that when you don't know the real Zyzz. There's a reason he inspired over 70 thousand people to start lifting and stay motivated.
How is being a douche to get famous any better than just being a douche?
What makes you think he was ever a douche to get famous? The 'zyzz' character was just that, a character playing up his ego and bringing people lols. Az the actual person was a down to earth person whos charisma was unmatched by anybody and he was super easy to get along with.
He inspired many to get off their ass and change their lives, there are countless testimonials online from people who decided to change their lives for the better because of zyzz
It's sad to see that there are stupid ignorant people such as yourself out there, talking shit about someone who they don't even know. lol.
RIP Zyzz your way of living life and overall mental state still inspires many today. You taught everyone to be the best person they can be and forget about the haters. You will forever be remembered and respected amongst this community.
On July 11 2012 02:16 farvacola wrote: Back from the dead, this thread is risen!
For a second I thought this was about Zyzz being back from the dead, why else would anybody bump this thread. Would be hilarious lol, truly the greatest troll of all time.
On July 11 2012 02:16 farvacola wrote: Back from the dead, this thread is risen!
For a second I thought this was about Zyzz being back from the dead, why else would anybody bump this thread. Would be hilarious lol, truly the greatest troll of all time.
Now I´m sad again T_T
After Tim Sharky gave some insider info on the bad shit zyzz was getting into in Thailand, I gave up all hope of a return
On July 11 2012 02:16 farvacola wrote: Back from the dead, this thread is risen!
For a second I thought this was about Zyzz being back from the dead, why else would anybody bump this thread. Would be hilarious lol, truly the greatest troll of all time.
Now I´m sad again T_T
After Tim Sharky gave some insider info on the bad shit zyzz was getting into in Thailand, I gave up all hope of a return
bad shit? i wasn't aware, could you perhaps enlighten me?
On July 11 2012 02:16 farvacola wrote: Back from the dead, this thread is risen!
For a second I thought this was about Zyzz being back from the dead, why else would anybody bump this thread. Would be hilarious lol, truly the greatest troll of all time.
Now I´m sad again T_T
After Tim Sharky gave some insider info on the bad shit zyzz was getting into in Thailand, I gave up all hope of a return
bad shit? i wasn't aware, could you perhaps enlighten me?
Basically zyzz was getting mixed up with some bad people while searching for cheap cell-tech and cocaine in Thailand. Sharky said something about how zyzz was shooting low quality tech that he'd never touch, in addition to having owed money to some bad dudes. We know he died suddenly while using a sauna, but whether it was a sudden dysrythmia or something more nefarious we'll probably never know.
On July 11 2012 02:16 farvacola wrote: Back from the dead, this thread is risen!
For a second I thought this was about Zyzz being back from the dead, why else would anybody bump this thread. Would be hilarious lol, truly the greatest troll of all time.
Now I´m sad again T_T
After Tim Sharky gave some insider info on the bad shit zyzz was getting into in Thailand, I gave up all hope of a return
bad shit? i wasn't aware, could you perhaps enlighten me?
Basically zyzz was getting mixed up with some bad people while searching for cheap cell-tech and cocaine in Thailand. Sharky said something about how zyzz was shooting low quality tech that he'd never touch, in addition to having owed money to some bad dudes. We know he died suddenly while using a sauna, but whether it was a sudden dysrythmia or something more nefarious we'll probably never know.
On July 11 2012 02:16 farvacola wrote: Back from the dead, this thread is risen!
For a second I thought this was about Zyzz being back from the dead, why else would anybody bump this thread. Would be hilarious lol, truly the greatest troll of all time.
Now I´m sad again T_T
After Tim Sharky gave some insider info on the bad shit zyzz was getting into in Thailand, I gave up all hope of a return
bad shit? i wasn't aware, could you perhaps enlighten me?
Basically zyzz was getting mixed up with some bad people while searching for cheap cell-tech and cocaine in Thailand. Sharky said something about how zyzz was shooting low quality tech that he'd never touch, in addition to having owed money to some bad dudes. We know he died suddenly while using a sauna, but whether it was a sudden dysrythmia or something more nefarious we'll probably never know.
hadn't heard about the cheap cell-tech, i still like to believe he wasn't riding bikes but i think there's a point where he had to have been in order to get as huge as he was. still, he made some unreal changes to his life and outlook and i'm still inspired by him
I was saddened by his passing at such a young age but it is hard for me to relate to his thousands of rabid fans. He was basically a super villain. He used drugs to enhance himself physically and gain popularity and then used that popularity to treat others badly and acquire even more drugs.
You only have to go as far as TL:H+F to see that nerds can be buff, hot AND classy. Just my 2c about his legacy.
Wether he used steroids or not is irrelevant to me, I visit the gym 5 days a week and would never think about doing steroids but he motivates people which is enough for me. I have some friends irl who are looking to start going to the gym and they are all inspired by Zyzz.
Steroids or no steroids, he motivates people to get out of their rooms and get fit!
On July 11 2012 09:17 Velocirapture wrote: I was saddened by his passing at such a young age but it is hard for me to relate to his thousands of rabid fans. He was basically a super villain. He used drugs to enhance himself physically and gain popularity and then used that popularity to treat others badly and acquire even more drugs.
You only have to go as far as TL:H+F to see that nerds can be buff, hot AND classy. Just my 2c about his legacy.
he didn't use steroids the whole time, he got in amazing shape before he even started cycling. even afterwards, his training and diet were impeccable and ridiculously regimented.
none of the nerds in TLHF, myself included, would likely have the dedication to devote an entire life to the fitness lifestyle. steroids aren't a wonder drug, they don't make you jacked immediately. you have to work your fucking ass off for it, and his transformation was amazing.
On July 11 2012 09:19 Mr.Faces wrote: Homoerotic videos, I see I see. Just one more guy who can't get enough of himself in the mirror. I don't see what's so special here.
To quote someone you may know,
On July 09 2012 14:04 Mr.Faces wrote:
Might wanna slow down with the generalizations buddy
terrible post. you can love or hate him, but have some basis behind the statement.
Roids can be bad, m'kay. The speed of progress he achieved is not possible without it. It's basically the dark side of the force. Roids are the best when you stop progressing fast enough. They carry you to next level, but you tell your body to go fuck itself. Learn your lesson all you admirers, or just go ahead, but don't wonder if you fucking die. Learn your limits.
And at least stay away from cocaine if you're into hardcore roid fueled bodybuilding.
EPT
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