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On August 11 2011 03:15 fishjie wrote:
from what i understand, steroids lets you work out harder and longer, so actually you're not "cheating", you're putting in more effort at the gym, rather than less.
backwards argument is sdrawkcab
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I didnt even know about this guy but lol at the haters... Im natural and yet I cant hate a steroid user, since I know many of them and know how their training + dieting is. Its super difficult to endure what it takes to get that physique.
Do you really know how much training, dediaction and dieting your body needs to look like this even when you are on steroids? Steroids are not magic bullets.
I m natural, I hit the gym 5 times/week for 45-50 minutes EVERY WEEK, and ppl think im crazy. But this is my body's limitation. If I could I would up the hours.
These guys do double training (1 on morning 1 on evening) and their workout is around 2 to 2 and a half hours. They are training 5+ hours / day. They food they eat gets boring since its the same shit every day, in every meal.
Oatmeal + protein, rice/potatoes + chicken/fish/red meat+veggies, lettuce+chicken/fish. Same shit EVERY DAY. When you are on roids you have to be extra careful with your meals since you are extra sensitive to cholesterol.
Stop talking nonsense this is not cheating. This is removing your body's limitation. This comes at a cost though. Zyzz didn't die from roids though, probably because of cocaine+sauna.
All said, if this guy isnt trolling then RIP.
Show some respect to him. Instead of hating because of your insecurities.
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On August 11 2011 03:27 Sovern wrote:
Him being inspirational can be a bad thing. Working out is supposed to be about bettering your health and working through "plateaus" without taking the easy way out. Doing illegal drugs that damage your health is not something that people should be looking up to.
Him doing steroids and being inspirational is an issue of morality only because other people are looking up to him and seeing a guy that does roids and drugs. Him doing crack and meth should be looked down upon a long with his roid usage, unless of course we want to see more people drop dead at the age of 22.
I don't know as much about his history of drug usage, but I'm fairly certain that he didn't use crack or meth. And working out isn't "about" anything other than what you make it about.
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For those who think roids are the easy way out, as "MyNameIsAlex" above me mentioned it actually removes your body's limitations, because naturally if you work out longer than an hour at 100% intensity you will be overtraining and not see any results. Those who take steroids recover much quicker, so they can efficiently workout at 100% intensity for multiple hours every day like Zyzz did. For clarities sake by 100% intensity I mean doing every set to failure.
Anyway I think I've said enough on the topic by now ^^
RIP Az you will not be forgotten anytime soon
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^^I agree, working out is what you make out of it BUT the general census would agree that working out is something that people that want to live a healthy lifestyle do. You don't walk around hearing people say "Are you still going to the gym today to help destroy your knees and heart Jim?" The problem is that people were looking up to someone that did roids, drugs, and in actuality did not take care of himself at all. There's people out there that are couch potatoes that were healthier than him.
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On August 11 2011 03:35 MyNameIsAlex wrote:
I didnt even know about this guy but lol at the haters... Im natural and yet I cant hate a steroid user, since I know many of them and know how their training + dieting is. Its super difficult to endure what it takes to get that physique.
Do you really know how much training, dediaction and dieting your body needs to look like this even when you are on steroids? Steroids are not magic bullets.
This. I have been on light doses of pro hormones before but family issues got in the way of my workout schedule and my dieting. I had some nicer, more fast, and more clean results but still it was nothing insane. Even legitimate, illegal anabolic steroids only do so much. They only boost your body's anabolic functions (go figure). IDK why people think juicing is equivalent to magic or some shit.
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This should be warning to every kid, dont do drugs. Its not worth it.
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On August 11 2011 03:49 Sovern wrote:
^^I agree, working out is what you make out of it BUT the general census would agree that working out is something that people that want to live a healthy lifestyle do. You don't walk around hearing people say "Are you still going to the gym today to help destroy your knees and heart Jim?" The problem is that people were looking up to someone that did roids, drugs, and in actuality did not take care of himself at all. There's people out there that are couch potatoes that were healthier than him.
This is absolutely not true at all. Just because you take steroids does not mean you are not taking care of yourself at all.
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On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote:
I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually.
Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
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On August 11 2011 04:04 hypnoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote:
I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually. Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant.
Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
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On August 11 2011 04:06 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 04:04 hypnoxide wrote:On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote:
I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually. Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant. Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died.
A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
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On August 11 2011 04:13 hypnoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 04:06 Corrosive wrote:On August 11 2011 04:04 hypnoxide wrote:On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote:
I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually. Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant. Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died. A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
Doctors use steroids as medication... Obviously not the same thing, but still.
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On August 11 2011 03:59 NotSupporting wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 03:49 Sovern wrote:
^^I agree, working out is what you make out of it BUT the general census would agree that working out is something that people that want to live a healthy lifestyle do. You don't walk around hearing people say "Are you still going to the gym today to help destroy your knees and heart Jim?" The problem is that people were looking up to someone that did roids, drugs, and in actuality did not take care of himself at all. There's people out there that are couch potatoes that were healthier than him. This is absolutely not true at all. Just because you take steroids does not mean you are not taking care of yourself at all.
Care to elaborate ? Because I fail to see how a guy that does performance enhancing drugs + recreational drugs like coke is "taking care of himself".
I'm just astonished at what I'm reading in general in this thread. Ppl need to stop talking like PEDs are fucking vitamins. There's a reason why they are not legal, and it's not just about competition fairness.
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On August 11 2011 04:13 hypnoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 04:06 Corrosive wrote:On August 11 2011 04:04 hypnoxide wrote:On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote:
I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually. Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant. Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died. A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems?
My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy ....
Actually I love your logic :D
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On August 11 2011 04:20 ChApFoU wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 03:59 NotSupporting wrote:On August 11 2011 03:49 Sovern wrote:
^^I agree, working out is what you make out of it BUT the general census would agree that working out is something that people that want to live a healthy lifestyle do. You don't walk around hearing people say "Are you still going to the gym today to help destroy your knees and heart Jim?" The problem is that people were looking up to someone that did roids, drugs, and in actuality did not take care of himself at all. There's people out there that are couch potatoes that were healthier than him. This is absolutely not true at all. Just because you take steroids does not mean you are not taking care of yourself at all. Care to elaborate ? Because I fail to see how a guy that does performance enhancing drugs + recreational drugs like coke is "taking care of himself". I'm just astonished at what I'm reading in general in this thread. Ppl need to stop talking like PEDs are fucking vitamins. There's a reason why they are not legal, and it's not just about competition fairness.
yeah just why there's a reason why weed is illegal and alcohol isnt. Or why steroids are legal for personal use in england and doctors will help you take them correctly, because done correctly things are rarely dangerous, doing stuff uninformed is what gets you in trouble
On August 11 2011 04:22 ChApFoU wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 04:13 hypnoxide wrote:On August 11 2011 04:06 Corrosive wrote:On August 11 2011 04:04 hypnoxide wrote:On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote:
I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually. Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant. Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died. A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems? My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy .... Actually I love your logic :D
beautiful areguement that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Overdoing something is always bad. Taking steroids responsibly isn't nesecarily healthy but it's not horrible as so many people make it out to be.
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On August 11 2011 04:20 ChApFoU wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 03:59 NotSupporting wrote:On August 11 2011 03:49 Sovern wrote:
^^I agree, working out is what you make out of it BUT the general census would agree that working out is something that people that want to live a healthy lifestyle do. You don't walk around hearing people say "Are you still going to the gym today to help destroy your knees and heart Jim?" The problem is that people were looking up to someone that did roids, drugs, and in actuality did not take care of himself at all. There's people out there that are couch potatoes that were healthier than him. This is absolutely not true at all. Just because you take steroids does not mean you are not taking care of yourself at all. Care to elaborate ? Because I fail to see how a guy that does performance enhancing drugs + recreational drugs like coke is "taking care of himself". I'm just astonished at what I'm reading in general in this thread. Ppl need to stop talking like PEDs are fucking vitamins. There's a reason why they are not legal, and it's not just about competition fairness.
It is just about competition fairness. Same reason why marijuana is illegal in comparison to alcohol. Just because something is banned doesn't mean it's inherently unhealthy. Just because something is legal doesn't mean you can consume as much as you want and not have your organs shut down.
At the congressional hearing to ban performance enhancing drugs all major drug agencies voted AGAINST banning them. They were banned because it gave some sportsman an edge over competitors who didn't want to take them.
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This guy looks fun to kick it with. LMAO
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On August 11 2011 04:22 ChApFoU wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 04:13 hypnoxide wrote:On August 11 2011 04:06 Corrosive wrote:On August 11 2011 04:04 hypnoxide wrote:On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote:
I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually. Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant. Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died. A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems? My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy .... Actually I love your logic :D
As your sarcastic remark implies, moderation is key. Nothing is different about steroids.
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On August 11 2011 04:22 ChApFoU wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 04:13 hypnoxide wrote:On August 11 2011 04:06 Corrosive wrote:On August 11 2011 04:04 hypnoxide wrote:On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote:
I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually. Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant. Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died. A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems? My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy .... Actually I love your logic :D
Except this is stupid, illogical, and not at all listening to what your doctor told you. You're just being intentionally dense, I realize, but everyone else in the thread seems to be making serious arguments similar to yours.
If you take steroids and just sit on the couch, you won't get jacked. It's not a magic pill. Yes, it pushes your body past its natural limits, but you need to work hard and eat like a horse to get any effects.
Now, ![[image loading]](http://www.befit.ca/product_images/h/050/celltech__79550_zoom.jpg) , on the other hand...it's a hell of a drug.
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On August 11 2011 04:28 hypnoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 04:22 ChApFoU wrote:On August 11 2011 04:13 hypnoxide wrote:On August 11 2011 04:06 Corrosive wrote:On August 11 2011 04:04 hypnoxide wrote:On August 11 2011 00:18 MasterFischer wrote:
I know as much as it's pretty stupid to be filling your body with steroids and other bullshit, when you know your family has a heart condition history.. also, just for the sake of not knowing, I would get checked first.
Look at Arnold..
You think his heart is in good condition? Nah..
The guy used alot of steroids in his day, and his heart was healthy before. Now? Not so much..
I just it's the wrong signal to send, training with steroids to get big.. and THEN you become self-condident and all that..
Yea helping youngsters get more self-esteem and what not is great, but not when you're using steroids and training excessively as a role model imo..
There are alot of other ways to feel good about yourself, other than looking like a bodybuilder.. It will fade, and it's hard work to keep up all your life, if u dont wanna go back to being just toned, which is what most woman prefer anyway ;D
But yea yea... it's tragic sure... But like i said..
If you play with matches, you'll be burned eventually. Ugh, people need to stop with this misinformed bullshit. Arnold was BORN with a heart condition, he didn't get a condition through steroid use. People really shouldn't open their mouths if they're ignorant. Whether he got a heart condition from steroids or had it at birth is irrelevant. Steroids are not healthy for you. It's obvious why he died. A naturally occurring hormone is not healthy for you. So when do you plan on getting castrated to prevent testosterone from causing you cardiovascular problems? My doctor told me half a glass of red wine per day is good for health, I plan on drinking 2 bottles per day so I'll be super healthy .... Actually I love your logic :D As your sarcastic remark implies, moderation is key. Nothing is different about steroids.
I'm fine with roids when they fill a natural lack of testosterone. When they are used to be able to workout more I think it's kinda fucked up even if it is used cautiously. I know I'm a tad conservative on the subject but I think that the human body has a natural equilibrium which we should try not to mess with.
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