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In the big scheme of things, the truth is that European men have treated women with
greater respect than the men of almost any other major civilisation on earth. And I don’t
mean just in the modern age, I mean for many centuries. Yet we are the one group of
men who are most demonised and attacked, whereas non-white men get treated with
much greater respect. What white men see from this is that white Western women prefer
men who treat them like crap, and disrespect men who treat them with respect. This isn’t
exactly a smart way to behave if you want to be treated with dignity.
I really didn't think about it this way, but he has a point.
Although this just leads me to conclude that part of the reason he's mad at feminists is because he can't hold a stable relationship o/
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On July 24 2011 14:32 Gnax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 14:23 hotbreakfest wrote:On July 24 2011 14:06 Bobble wrote:On July 24 2011 14:02 AndAgain wrote:
It has probably been mentioned, but I just read that Norway's toughest punishment is 21 years in prison. Sounds like heaven for someone who wants to make a political point in this manner. you should read the OP, yes, the maximum punishment is 21 years, but with forvaring, which is a system which, if the criminal is deemed unfit for society, they can be jailed for another 4 years, and so on, and so on. What I'm worried about is the potential loop holes. The guy gets his 21 years and then acts like he's reformed. I'm sure there is probably a lot more to this, but the fact that he has a chance at dodging a life sentence bothers me a lot. Maybe someone who is savvy with Norway's legal system can fill me in. Stop arguing about this. It's been like 20 pages now. He will never be released to the society ever. Are you high or something?
lol everyone else is so why shouldnt he?
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I'm alright if he'll serve 21 yrs each for every person he killed but not sure if this the case though, hopefully it is.
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wow that is shocking.. the story too 
yep i agree with the blogger, how could you resort to violence like that and kill innocent, young people? =/
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On July 24 2011 15:10 larrysbird wrote:
I'm alright if he'll serve 21 yrs each for every person he killed but not sure if this the case though, hopefully it is.
Not how it works, read OP.
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On July 24 2011 15:10 elKaDor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 14:32 Gnax wrote:On July 24 2011 14:23 hotbreakfest wrote:On July 24 2011 14:06 Bobble wrote:On July 24 2011 14:02 AndAgain wrote:
It has probably been mentioned, but I just read that Norway's toughest punishment is 21 years in prison. Sounds like heaven for someone who wants to make a political point in this manner. you should read the OP, yes, the maximum punishment is 21 years, but with forvaring, which is a system which, if the criminal is deemed unfit for society, they can be jailed for another 4 years, and so on, and so on. What I'm worried about is the potential loop holes. The guy gets his 21 years and then acts like he's reformed. I'm sure there is probably a lot more to this, but the fact that he has a chance at dodging a life sentence bothers me a lot. Maybe someone who is savvy with Norway's legal system can fill me in. Stop arguing about this. It's been like 20 pages now. He will never be released to the society ever. Are you high or something? lol everyone else is so why shouldnt he?
Because they can keep him locked up. That means they will. What do you think would happen if he was released to society 10 years from now? Nothing good.
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Just wanted to join the many thousands of people around the world to offer my condolences to Norway, and especially to those affected by the actions of this man. As more comes out it really, amazingly, seems to have been a series of actions designed to give himself a solid platform to talk to the world - nice to see his message is so important he is willing to sacrifice the lives of many, many innocents to share it.
I want to commend the Norwegian authorities and media for their response throughout this, as well of that of the Norwegian population - the post quoted by Plexa on the first page of this thread was incredibly well-written and those who feel that 'this guy should fry' and the like should take a long hard look at their own country's justice systems and compare it to the Norwegian system. I would be surprised if this man is ever considered rehabilitated, he is likely to spend the rest of his life in prison. But killing him is simply revenge, nothing more, nothing less.
A dark day for Norway. Just know that your European neighbours will help in any way we can.
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Present a ”credible project/alibi” to your friends, co-workers and family. Announce to
your closest friends, co-workers and family that you are pursuing a ”project” that can at
least partly justify your ”new pattern of activities” (isolation/travel) while in the planning
phase.
F(or) example, tell them that you have started to play World of Warcraft or any other online
MMO game and that you wish to focus on this for the next months/year. This ”new
project” can justify isolation and people will understand somewhat why you are not
answering your phone over long periods. Tell them that you are completely hooked on
the game (raiding dungeons etc). Emphasise to them that this is a dream you have had
since you were a kid. If they stress you, insist and ask them to respect your decision. You
will be amazed on how much you can do undetected while blaming this game. If your
planning requires you to travel, say that you are visiting one of your WoW friends, or
better yet, a girl from your ”guild” (who lives in another country). No further questions
will be raised if you present these arguments.
Long term covers:
· Say you play WoW (World of Warcraft) or another MMO and have developed an addiction
for it. Say that are going to play hardcore for the rest of the year and it is no point trying to
convince you otherwise. Inform them that you will be busy doing that in the future etc. Tell
them that you are ashamed of it and you don’t want to talk any more about it. Make them
swear to not tell anyone! (you just effectively prevented any more questions from that
person AND made the individual assist you in protecting your cover from everyone else)
LOL THIS GUY
alright this is quite possibly one of the most ironic things I've read
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Uh, whats the problem? That he is posting about amy winehouse dieing? I don't see how that is a disgraceful unless I missed something skimming through it quick.
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<3 's for the people of norway.
im not entirely convinced about the justice part, (not that i should be or that you should be convincing me, i just don't agree, in a case like this). there are people just like mcveigh (the oklahoma city bomber, if you weren't aware) who make a rational decision to cause terror in the pursuit of an ideal, now if that ideal were to be met in the 21 years he is instituionalized, would he still be a danger to society?
If he were acting out of a rational impulse then no, he wouldnt' because the goals he sought to achieve were met while he was imprisoned.
would justice be him being released in 30 years because the society he wanted to create has come into being. Now, the odds of that are slim, though since i haven't heard his goals i can't say for sure, but it is a concern that should be thought of......
which brings me to my question, does anyone know what the belief he was striving for was?
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On July 24 2011 15:42 Bosu wrote:Uh, whats the problem? That he is posting about amy winehouse dieing? I don't see how that is a disgraceful unless I missed something skimming through it quick.
i am also confused as to the issue sir
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On July 24 2011 13:06 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 13:01 Badboyrune wrote:On July 24 2011 12:53 cz wrote:On July 24 2011 12:37 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 24 2011 12:27 cz wrote:On July 24 2011 12:25 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 24 2011 12:21 cz wrote:On July 24 2011 12:18 Ksi wrote:On July 24 2011 12:15 cz wrote:
How is Norway going to deal with this guy? Since he surrendered he's going to go into Norway's justice system, which as I understand it is very lax on sentencing (no such thing as death penalty, no such thing as a real life term). Isn't he going to be out in 10-20 years for good behavior no matter what the judges sentence him too? Isn't that in the law somewhere, that there is a pretty low max punishment? Read the OP. I really hope we eventually stop seeing the trickle of people in this thread saying "oh, but he'll be released in 21 years." or something similar. He will, with 99.999999999999% certainty, be locked away for the rest of his life, barring some sort of vigilante justice or other such event. He certainly will not be let out of prison in any legal manner. Are you sure? Most Western nations, and especially the Nordic ones, have loopholes that allow a way out after X years for good conduct, and sentencing guidelines that make even the harshest sentences no more than 30 or so years. edit: I read the OP, so it's 21 years max, assuming he has good behavior/etc that lets him out. I don't think this is the type of guy who is going to have a problem meeting the conditions to leave: he seems to be intelligent and willing to plan, so he'll be out in 21 years or less. Stuff and nonsense. He shot down well over 80 helpless kids. He'll be in a dark place til he dies. Yes, I'm sure. There will be no "good conduct" granted to him - I don't care if less serious criminals end up with that as a way out in other cases. You'd be surprised. From what I read on wikipedia.... Wikipediea. Schmikipedia. Blah. Blah. Blah. No. Use your brain. He will not be released. Period. He will be held indefinitely and they will just say "nope, not reformed yet - give him another 5 years" - regardless of how awesome/nice/intellectual/polite he is. He. Killed. Eighty. Helpless. People. End of story. He rots. Problem is there doesn't seem to be a way to use the murder of 80 helpless people to up the prison sentence, nor do I think it legally has an effect when parole comes up. They just take a look at how he is THEN and make their decision based on psychological interviews / prison history and so on. They really can only keep him in through A) passing new laws specifically for him or B) being corrupt. Either way, assuming they do keep him in, it'll show how legitimate these "rehabilitate-first" laws - their effects bragged about across the world - are: prison as punishment is terrible/inhumane until your kid/country gets killed. For this to hold up you need to make the assumption that he's either actually cured in 21 years or duped trained psychologists, who are more than likely very familiar with both his past history and the manipulative nature of psychopaths, and everyone else evaluating his case into thinking he is cured. Only then would they have to pass new laws or be corrupt to keep him locked up. I highly doubt any of that would actually happen Then you must be new. It happens all the time. Psychologists don't have much to work with besides what the patient says: if he says the right things in the right voice, they can't do much other than make their conclusions. There are no real objective tests in psychology for determining danger to a community: it's all gathered from self-reported data from the patient/criminal himself. So if he says the right things, how can they say no? I actually had this debate with Kwark a year or two ago with respect to a Canadian murder on a greyhound. The guy brutally murdered (decapitated) the guy sitting in front of him while on a bus trip, despite not knowing/talking to the guy. At the point of my convo with Kwark the guy had been declared unfit to stand trial and sent to a mental home: I predicted he'd be out soon. He's now out and about in the community, after having been declared healthy. Absolutely brutal murder of an innocent person, and psychologists let him out. Say the right things, look the right way, and you control the data they receive. The data they receive fits into a rubric to determine their conclusions and recommendations. This guy controls all the data that he gives out, and he seems smart enough to do be able to do it.
Or maybe, just maybe, he had mental problems and his time in the mental hospital cured him?
The problem with your position is that it rests on the assumption that the fact that the guy was released means that the system was gamed. Effectively, you assume your own conclusion, denying the possibility of his problem actually being resolved.
Did the guy who murdered the man on the bus commit another murder?
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On July 24 2011 15:42 Bosu wrote:Uh, whats the problem? That he is posting about amy winehouse dieing? I don't see how that is a disgraceful unless I missed something skimming through it quick.
danwootton: "@RachelFabMag @DavidWooding Amy all the way for me. Norway is a day old. Amy is an icon gone."
I think the problem is that this Dan Wootton character obviously considers the death of one coked-out music star to be of much greater significance than a Scandinavian mass murder.
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Is he going to be treated as a god in prison? That's one of my many worries in this tragedy. Targeting children? Must be a loner.
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Does TL want to do anything for them? I don't know what we could do maybe sign a big card and send it to the memorial?
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On July 24 2011 16:00 P3T3R wrote:
Is he going to be treated as a god in prison? That's one of my many worries in this tragedy. Targeting children? Must be a loner.
I am pretty sure that he will live solitary rest of he's life. No point group him up with other prisoners,he would just get killed
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On July 24 2011 15:55 nemo14 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 15:42 Bosu wrote:Uh, whats the problem? That he is posting about amy winehouse dieing? I don't see how that is a disgraceful unless I missed something skimming through it quick. danwootton: "@RachelFabMag @DavidWooding Amy all the way for me. Norway is a day old. Amy is an icon gone." I think the problem is that this Dan Wootton character obviously considers the death of one coked-out music star to be of much greater significance than a Scandinavian mass murder.
Well, I guess for him it hits closer to home, and cares about Amy Winehouse more than the Norway issue. It's his opinion, no need to read it or anything.
But that's just derailing the thread now, isn't it?
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shit is fucked up
goddamn humanity and its delusional psychopaths
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On July 24 2011 14:02 AndAgain wrote:It has probably been mentioned, but I just read that Norway's toughest punishment is 21 years in prison. Sounds like heaven for someone who wants to make a political point in this manner. Edit: ok, I guess that's not exactly the case. It said "Norway's toughest sentence is 21 years in jail" in this article, and that's it. http://news.yahoo.com/norway-suspect-deems-killings-atrocious-needed-013354792.html
If he's deemed a threat to society he can be held indefinitely.
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On July 24 2011 10:23 butchji wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 10:21 graan wrote:
what disturbs me right now is that his message will get out through his manifest - dont read that stuff, dont link it what so ever, sure like 99.99% read this and know how damaged this stuff is, but there will be people who pick things off of that...
hitlers mein kampf is banned for a reaseon, even though ppl might say read it and you see how fucked up his mind was and that teaches us a leason - there are stupid mind leaking morons like that misanthropic soul..
Mein Kampf is only banned in Germany afaik... in other countries in the world there is something called freedom of expression.
Some. Not all of them. There's stuff you cannot say publicly in countries like France. Some books are forbidden to be distributed. Same with movies. Don't know if it's good or bad (I'd tend to say it's on the bad side of things but I'm not sure) but that's the way it is.
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