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Before you read the body of my post acknowledge this: I cant ever commend the actions he has taken. They are horrific and I feel for the victims and their families. It is truly a tragic day. Remember that this individual is an intellect and articulates himself incredibly well.
It is well established that he opposed the labour party. He attributes the rise in Muslim globalisation in western society (in particular, Norway) to the labour (and to an extend the democratic Christian party) party and subsequently holds great resentment toward them. He describes how Muslims couldn't and shouldn't have a place in the western world. That multiculturalism doesn't work, and despite how politically correct society may attempt to be - people are different, and so are their cultures.
He goes on to explain that while he may be accepting of certain aspects of their culture he feels that integration should not be encouraged (as the Norwegian labour party was doing, he says) and that the Muslims should leave Western Europe as they can not live together harmoniously (cites numerous examples of recent uproars including the "Cartoon Mohammed" scandal and the government's handling, or lack thereof, of the situation) and conflict with the foundations and freedom western society was built upon.
Already at this point we may establish that he has a strong bias against Muslims. He is concerned with the future and the globalisation and rate of growth for Muslim culture and religion.
He predicts a European war, caused by the conflicting values of Muslim culture/society and Western Society. The rate of growth the Muslims are expected to see in the 2020's suggests they become a majority. I'd go into further detail but if you wish to read exactly what he suggests may happen than feel free to read his 1500 page manifesto (there should be an uncensored version out there somewhere that hasn't been deleted yet). He feels this is the epitome of what Europe shouldn't be like and subsequently.. attempts to stop it (I will explain why)
Before reading the below paragraph please put all subjective baised aside.
His only tweet remains "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests." which is synonymous with his actions. There are thousands of people before him, who have suggested the same thing; that Islam will ruin Europe, and that you cant actually live hand in hand. Thousands are dismissed and go ignored or unheard. This was not an attack on the Labour party, this was an attention grab. An attention grab to a greater cause. He committed the most prolific killing spree in history, killing near 100 people in the space of three hours.
If he does nothing but speak, his voice will not be heard. If he kills 100 people, we will listen to his every word.
Once again I remind you, to acknowledge that I can never commend the actions he has taken. They are horrific and I feel for the victims and their families. It is truly a tragic day.
It may be questioned why he attacked a politically endorsed camp as opposed to a Mosque, or Muslim Centre. He doesn't want a war to start because of him, he wants to stop one. He singled out the next highest priority of a target with the highest possible rate of success and attacked. He has killed 92 people, 92 politically opposite but racially neutral people.
Once again I would like to reiterate I do not empathise with Anders Behring BreiviK, but I understand his line of thinking. I don't agree with the way he went about what he did, yet understand his concerns.
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On July 24 2011 16:00 P3T3R wrote:
Is he going to be treated as a god in prison? That's one of my many worries in this tragedy. Targeting children? Must be a loner.
No. At least in the US, if you gain enough infamy and are put into general population, you're sure to be killed by someone looking for the fame of killing you. Targeting children is also a good way to get killed in the US prison system. It may be different with Norway but I think this would at least mean that he wouldn't be treated highly.
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Right now the onus lies on the US to keep an eye on their own right-wing lunatic groups. Everyone knows that they have too damn many extremist conservative Christian "militia" groups who will be all too eager to copycat their compatriot in Norway.
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On July 24 2011 16:25 OsoVega wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 16:00 P3T3R wrote:
Is he going to be treated as a god in prison? That's one of my many worries in this tragedy. Targeting children? Must be a loner. No. At least in the US, if you gain enough infamy and are put into general population, you're sure to be killed by someone looking for the fame of killing you. Targeting children is also a good way to get killed in the US prison system. It may be different with Norway but I think this would at least mean that he wouldn't be treated highly.
You meant vigilante justice? Just like the Casey Anthony case, after her release she gone to hiding, it was the right choice for her, because news report that people with same name and looked alike was getting harassed and attacked.
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Even if this guy did horrible things to innocent ppl just to make a point I can understand his views. Hes right about the muslims taking over Europe because they have no intention to accept westen vallues at all.
I can talk from a prespective for my country where there are alot of muslims. Over the course of a couple a decades muslims are slowly but steady are taking over my country. Just to make it clear on average a cristian family has 1-2 children at max while a muslim family got at least 5-10 children. When they achieve muslum majority they always want to take over that part no matter where they live. They succeed with Kosovo and tried the same here in 2001 but their terrorist fight wasnt justified so they act politicly now. Over the past 2 decades the muslims here went from 15% to 25-30% and it will rise faster now and YES its only been 20 years imagine what will happen in 80.
You havent seen how muslums treat chirstians where they are the majority so you dont know better. Just take an example in muslim country how chiristian minority is treated and you will get the picture. Its the same in my country too.
His fears are valid and his views too. Im quite sure that Europe in 100 years muslims will became majority or close to even and this guy preety much has seen through it. BUT what he did was horrible and no way justified to kill innocent kids.
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On July 24 2011 17:03 SkelA wrote:
Even if this guy did horrible things to innocent ppl just to make a point I can understand his views. Hes right about the muslims taking over Europe because they have no intention to accept westen vallues at all.
I can talk from a prespective for my country where there are alot of muslims. Over the course of a couple a decades muslims are slowly but steady are taking over my country. Just to make it clear on average a cristian family has 1-2 children at max while a muslim family got at least 5-10 children. When they achieve muslum majority they always want to take over that part no matter where they live. They succeed with Kosovo and tried the same here in 2001 but their terrorist fight wasnt justified so they act politicly now. Over the past 2 decades the muslims here went from 15% to 25-30% and it will rise faster now and YES its only been 20 years imagine what will happen in 80.
You havent seen how muslums treat chirstians where they are the majority so you dont know better. Just take an example in muslim country how chiristian minority is treated and you will get the picture. Its the same in my country too.
His fears are valid and his views too. Im quite sure that Europe in 100 years muslims will became majority or close to even and this guy preety much has seen through it. BUT what he did was horrible and no way justified to kill innocent kids.
Muslim demographics are a gigantic and falsely ignored problem indeed IMO.
But you should never give a terrorist the satisfaction of discussing his views. Same with calling people "Islamic" terrorists. They are just criminals, that is all. Discussing terrorists points of view will just ridicule peaceful people who get less attention.
If you want to discuss the Muslim demographic problem on TL, do some research and make a thread about it with a good OP.
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On July 24 2011 08:51 DirtYLOu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 08:45 MasterFischer wrote:On July 24 2011 08:35 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
MasterFischer:
Imagine your dad having a psychic disease and doing a bad thing. Do you think it would be right to torture him because he did something due to being sick?
Not saying its definitely the case with this guy but still.
My main point being:
Shut the fuck up
This guy seems determined, intelligent and knows EXACTLY what he is doing. There is a huge difference Exactly what i though reading his diary at the end of the book. He looked extremely intelligent, calm, and like you said HE KNEW what he was doing... This guy isn't some 'psycho' that goes to some random school, and starts shooting blindly. He is the scariest type of people that can walk on this planet. He had everything planned back from 2002...
These "scariest types" are the ones that have shaped our entire history. E.g., Augustus Ceasar, Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, Fidel Castro, etc. All of them aggressive killers yet brilliant thinkers, seemingly above the moral concerns of ordinary people, taking many lives to further their cause. The ironic thing is we glorify them if we agree with their cause, demonize them if we don't.*
* Please do NOT take this in any way, shape, or form an endorsement of what happened in Norway. What happened there was cruel and tragic.
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I just read parts of his manifest and if that isn't crazy I don't know what is. Maybe not in the law's eye (we'll see) but how he rationalize his acting is simply disgusting. He's basically got a chapter for convincing people it's ok to kill women and in his own words "even the attractive ones."
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On July 24 2011 16:22 Darkalbino wrote:
Before you read the body of my post acknowledge this: I cant ever commend the actions he has taken. They are horrific and I feel for the victims and their families. It is truly a tragic day. Remember that this individual is an intellect and articulates himself incredibly well.
It is well established that he opposed the labour party. He attributes the rise in Muslim globalisation in western society (in particular, Norway) to the labour (and to an extend the democratic Christian party) party and subsequently holds great resentment toward them. He describes how Muslims couldn't and shouldn't have a place in the western world. That multiculturalism doesn't work, and despite how politically correct society may attempt to be - people are different, and so are their cultures.
He goes on to explain that while he may be accepting of certain aspects of their culture he feels that integration should not be encouraged (as the Norwegian labour party was doing, he says) and that the Muslims should leave Western Europe as they can not live together harmoniously (cites numerous examples of recent uproars including the "Cartoon Mohammed" scandal and the government's handling, or lack thereof, of the situation) and conflict with the foundations and freedom western society was built upon.
Already at this point we may establish that he has a strong bias against Muslims. He is concerned with the future and the globalisation and rate of growth for Muslim culture and religion.
He predicts a European war, caused by the conflicting values of Muslim culture/society and Western Society. The rate of growth the Muslims are expected to see in the 2020's suggests they become a majority. I'd go into further detail but if you wish to read exactly what he suggests may happen than feel free to read his 1500 page manifesto (there should be an uncensored version out there somewhere that hasn't been deleted yet). He feels this is the epitome of what Europe shouldn't be like and subsequently.. attempts to stop it (I will explain why)
Before reading the below paragraph please put all subjective baised aside.
His only tweet remains "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests." which is synonymous with his actions. There are thousands of people before him, who have suggested the same thing; that Islam will ruin Europe, and that you cant actually live hand in hand. Thousands are dismissed and go ignored or unheard. This was not an attack on the Labour party, this was an attention grab. An attention grab to a greater cause. He committed the most prolific killing spree in history, killing near 100 people in the space of three hours.
If he does nothing but speak, his voice will not be heard. If he kills 100 people, we will listen to his every word.
Once again I remind you, to acknowledge that I can never commend the actions he has taken. They are horrific and I feel for the victims and their families. It is truly a tragic day.
It may be questioned why he attacked a politically endorsed camp as opposed to a Mosque, or Muslim Centre. He doesn't want a war to start because of him, he wants to stop one. He singled out the next highest priority of a target with the highest possible rate of success and attacked. He has killed 92 people, 92 politically opposite but racially neutral people.
Once again I would like to reiterate I do not empathise with Anders Behring BreiviK, but I understand his line of thinking. I don't agree with the way he went about what he did, yet understand his concerns.
Interesting perspective. This is hard to digest because he just doesn't fit the profile of a crazy deranged spree-killer. He's "crazy", but in a totally different way than most people who would have carried out these kinds of heinous acts. He's so cerebral and ideological. He seems more like a murderous robot with a mission than a crazed and indiscriminate killer. He's an emotionless robot almost; that's the perception I had from reading some of his manifesto. How many other spree killers even had the mental capacity to assemble 1500 pages of logical written and comprehensive text?
On July 24 2011 16:41 NEWater wrote:
Right now the onus lies on the US to keep an eye on their own right-wing lunatic groups. Everyone knows that they have too damn many extremist conservative Christian "militia" groups who will be all too eager to copycat their compatriot in Norway.
Our right wing extremists are too old. They want some gerontocracy and they're too frail or fat to get out of their folding chairs to protest. In no way should this warrant political censorship of people you disagree with.
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On July 24 2011 17:07 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 17:03 SkelA wrote:
Even if this guy did horrible things to innocent ppl just to make a point I can understand his views. Hes right about the muslims taking over Europe because they have no intention to accept westen vallues at all.
I can talk from a prespective for my country where there are alot of muslims. Over the course of a couple a decades muslims are slowly but steady are taking over my country. Just to make it clear on average a cristian family has 1-2 children at max while a muslim family got at least 5-10 children. When they achieve muslum majority they always want to take over that part no matter where they live. They succeed with Kosovo and tried the same here in 2001 but their terrorist fight wasnt justified so they act politicly now. Over the past 2 decades the muslims here went from 15% to 25-30% and it will rise faster now and YES its only been 20 years imagine what will happen in 80.
You havent seen how muslums treat chirstians where they are the majority so you dont know better. Just take an example in muslim country how chiristian minority is treated and you will get the picture. Its the same in my country too.
His fears are valid and his views too. Im quite sure that Europe in 100 years muslims will became majority or close to even and this guy preety much has seen through it. BUT what he did was horrible and no way justified to kill innocent kids.
Muslim demographics are a gigantic and falsely ignored problem indeed IMO. But you should never give a terrorist the satisfaction of discussing his views. Same with calling people "Islamic" terrorists. They are just criminals, that is all. Discussing terrorists points of view will just ridicule peaceful people who get less attention. If you want to discuss the Muslim demographic problem on TL, do some research and make a thread about it with a good OP.
I think the last thing we should be worried about is whether or not we are giving a particular terrorist "satisfaction." You made a great point of argument, however, that discussing his views "ridicules" peaceful people. Definitely food for thought there, even though I'm not sure I agree.
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On July 24 2011 16:22 Darkalbino wrote:
Before you read the body of my post acknowledge this: I cant ever commend the actions he has taken. They are horrific and I feel for the victims and their families. It is truly a tragic day. Remember that this individual is an intellect and articulates himself incredibly well.
It is well established that he opposed the labour party. He attributes the rise in Muslim globalisation in western society (in particular, Norway) to the labour (and to an extend the democratic Christian party) party and subsequently holds great resentment toward them. He describes how Muslims couldn't and shouldn't have a place in the western world. That multiculturalism doesn't work, and despite how politically correct society may attempt to be - people are different, and so are their cultures.
He goes on to explain that while he may be accepting of certain aspects of their culture he feels that integration should not be encouraged (as the Norwegian labour party was doing, he says) and that the Muslims should leave Western Europe as they can not live together harmoniously (cites numerous examples of recent uproars including the "Cartoon Mohammed" scandal and the government's handling, or lack thereof, of the situation) and conflict with the foundations and freedom western society was built upon.
Already at this point we may establish that he has a strong bias against Muslims. He is concerned with the future and the globalisation and rate of growth for Muslim culture and religion.
He predicts a European war, caused by the conflicting values of Muslim culture/society and Western Society. The rate of growth the Muslims are expected to see in the 2020's suggests they become a majority. I'd go into further detail but if you wish to read exactly what he suggests may happen than feel free to read his 1500 page manifesto (there should be an uncensored version out there somewhere that hasn't been deleted yet). He feels this is the epitome of what Europe shouldn't be like and subsequently.. attempts to stop it (I will explain why)
Before reading the below paragraph please put all subjective baised aside.
His only tweet remains "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests." which is synonymous with his actions. There are thousands of people before him, who have suggested the same thing; that Islam will ruin Europe, and that you cant actually live hand in hand. Thousands are dismissed and go ignored or unheard. This was not an attack on the Labour party, this was an attention grab. An attention grab to a greater cause. He committed the most prolific killing spree in history, killing near 100 people in the space of three hours.
If he does nothing but speak, his voice will not be heard. If he kills 100 people, we will listen to his every word.
Once again I remind you, to acknowledge that I can never commend the actions he has taken. They are horrific and I feel for the victims and their families. It is truly a tragic day.
It may be questioned why he attacked a politically endorsed camp as opposed to a Mosque, or Muslim Centre. He doesn't want a war to start because of him, he wants to stop one. He singled out the next highest priority of a target with the highest possible rate of success and attacked. He has killed 92 people, 92 politically opposite but racially neutral people.
Once again I would like to reiterate I do not empathise with Anders Behring BreiviK, but I understand his line of thinking. I don't agree with the way he went about what he did, yet understand his concerns.
I disagree with this. In the Netherlands, we have someone who thinks about muslims just like the killer did. He choose to talk instead of shoot. He now leads one of the largest political parties in the country, maybe 6 years after its formation and he is part of the government (somewhat, it's complicated).
While I strongly disagree with his views, I at least respect him to take it to the appropriate stage: that of political debate rather than terrorism.
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On July 24 2011 15:42 Bosu wrote:Uh, whats the problem? That he is posting about amy winehouse dieing? I don't see how that is a disgraceful unless I missed something skimming through it quick.
He deleted the most offending tweet, but he's talking about how Amy winehouse is bigger news and people should just get over Norway.
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On July 24 2011 16:41 NEWater wrote:
Right now the onus lies on the US to keep an eye on their own right-wing lunatic groups. Everyone knows that they have too damn many extremist conservative Christian "militia" groups who will be all too eager to copycat their compatriot in Norway.
Outside of...wait...I honestly don't know of any "extremist" or "militia" Christian groups in the US that operate anywhere outside of mainstream politics. The Tea Party is essentially a hearty chunk of the Republican party. The Klan died out a long time ago. The Neo-Nazis hang out in Idaho and do whatever it is they do. I'm curious what all these groups are that everyone knows about.
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It scares the shit out of me where this is going and even where some of the discussions here are going.
For 70 years now we had peace from this type and so it starts again. Please to all the ppl here reading this, stay calm, stay human, defend democracy. Dont discuss over stereotypes and only in terms of races, dont generalize human beeings.
Ideas like that only end up in a completely destroyed europe again. Please learn from history.
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so the story is this: 6 foot tall talented man self-destructed over? some video game?
i admire his resourcefulness and nothing else... Renting a lab, buying materials, planning and writing policies for minions, self-publishing, and video marketing are non-trivial tasks. The quality he is playing at is pretty high as well, although a bomb? seriously? what a waste of an investment...
he would of been at least a project manager, VP, or even higher up in the corporate ladder by now with these qualities and his business background...if i were his friend or family, i would be so sad...isn't he anti-Marxist? so why not go play in the free and open capitalistic world.
it's very sad for such a healthy and strong individual to be so misdirected...i wouldn't have given a crap if i didn't also see the wiki page that showed him to be 6 foot tall...this is an act done by a sick mind. how is it this dude? a handsome tall norwegian? more amazement about knight templar and the 1500 page manifesto...dam...Dan Brown was not kidding...these people exist. so now we got both right wing extremists (Neo-Nazi?) as well as jihadists who both want to blow us up. this sucks. hope nobody in the US gets this same idea.
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The terrorist said Anders Fogh Rasmussen, former prime minister in Denmark, now Secretary General of NATO "had backbone". Slap in the face to get complimented by a man killing so many people in cold blood and maybe a reminder that our strict foreign policies and nationalistic party support helps breed people like him.
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This is written by my father:
+ Show Spoiler +We`re going back to Utoya
I’ve just listened to a press conference with Eskil Pedersen, chairman of the Norwegian Labour Party Youth League. Despite his lack of sleep and all tears during the night he had the strength to firmly establish that what had occurred was an attack on the Norwegian labor movement. The hoorendous blast in Oslo City and the carnage in the idyllic island Utoy were political attacks.
Mass murderer, Anders Behring Breivik, is no maniac in the Norwegian society’s margins. He is a well-adjusted and well formulated Christian, right wing self-employed “entrepreneur”. Islam hater, tall, blond and handsome.
He has deliberately targeted the Labour Party as a symbol of people with marxist views and he calls himself “Marxist Hunter”. Just hours before the massacre on the island former Prime Minister Gro Harlem Brundtland spoke to youngsters at summer camp. Earlier on Facebook Breivik named her as a murderer and a traitor to her country. Breivk has also connections with English Defence League.
Eskil Pedersen managed to cope with the unimaginable murders. ”We’re going back to Utöya,” he said:
”We stand by our ideas. We are anti-racists and we stand for solidarity. ”
Words we never will forget.
Breivik opinions have grown in some of the lush-right habitats of the Eastern Norway. A reactionary quagmire of ”national” conservative extremism. Brown milieus lushing also in Sweden. We have our serial killer of “immigrants” in Malmo south of the country. From where I live it is the same distance to Malmo as to Oslo. Both physically and politically.
Our Prime Minister, Fredrik Reinfeldt from the Conservative Party, says that we shall not concern ourselves with Breivik`s political motives.
But for us the opposite position is necessary and obvious.
Together, in solidarity, we must do everything possible to realize the vision formulated by Eskil Pedersen:
We`re going back to Utoya
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On July 24 2011 17:46 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 16:22 Darkalbino wrote:
Before you read the body of my post acknowledge this: I cant ever commend the actions he has taken. They are horrific and I feel for the victims and their families. It is truly a tragic day. Remember that this individual is an intellect and articulates himself incredibly well.
It is well established that he opposed the labour party. He attributes the rise in Muslim globalisation in western society (in particular, Norway) to the labour (and to an extend the democratic Christian party) party and subsequently holds great resentment toward them. He describes how Muslims couldn't and shouldn't have a place in the western world. That multiculturalism doesn't work, and despite how politically correct society may attempt to be - people are different, and so are their cultures.
He goes on to explain that while he may be accepting of certain aspects of their culture he feels that integration should not be encouraged (as the Norwegian labour party was doing, he says) and that the Muslims should leave Western Europe as they can not live together harmoniously (cites numerous examples of recent uproars including the "Cartoon Mohammed" scandal and the government's handling, or lack thereof, of the situation) and conflict with the foundations and freedom western society was built upon.
Already at this point we may establish that he has a strong bias against Muslims. He is concerned with the future and the globalisation and rate of growth for Muslim culture and religion.
He predicts a European war, caused by the conflicting values of Muslim culture/society and Western Society. The rate of growth the Muslims are expected to see in the 2020's suggests they become a majority. I'd go into further detail but if you wish to read exactly what he suggests may happen than feel free to read his 1500 page manifesto (there should be an uncensored version out there somewhere that hasn't been deleted yet). He feels this is the epitome of what Europe shouldn't be like and subsequently.. attempts to stop it (I will explain why)
Before reading the below paragraph please put all subjective baised aside.
His only tweet remains "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests." which is synonymous with his actions. There are thousands of people before him, who have suggested the same thing; that Islam will ruin Europe, and that you cant actually live hand in hand. Thousands are dismissed and go ignored or unheard. This was not an attack on the Labour party, this was an attention grab. An attention grab to a greater cause. He committed the most prolific killing spree in history, killing near 100 people in the space of three hours.
If he does nothing but speak, his voice will not be heard. If he kills 100 people, we will listen to his every word.
Once again I remind you, to acknowledge that I can never commend the actions he has taken. They are horrific and I feel for the victims and their families. It is truly a tragic day.
It may be questioned why he attacked a politically endorsed camp as opposed to a Mosque, or Muslim Centre. He doesn't want a war to start because of him, he wants to stop one. He singled out the next highest priority of a target with the highest possible rate of success and attacked. He has killed 92 people, 92 politically opposite but racially neutral people.
Once again I would like to reiterate I do not empathise with Anders Behring BreiviK, but I understand his line of thinking. I don't agree with the way he went about what he did, yet understand his concerns. I disagree with this. In the Netherlands, we have someone who thinks about muslims just like the killer did. He choose to talk instead of shoot. He now leads one of the largest political parties in the country, maybe 6 years after its formation and he is part of the government (somewhat, it's complicated). While I strongly disagree with his views, I at least respect him to take it to the appropriate stage: that of political debate rather than terrorism.
You can't 'disagree' with it, its an objective insight into his psychological profile. It is not something that can be disagreed with or agreed with. If I may repeat myself "I don't agree with the way he went about what he did, yet understand his concerns."
Geert Wilders is going about it the correct way, but previously mentioned it was his idealogical thinking that caused this.
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On July 24 2011 16:22 Darkalbino wrote:
Before you read the body of my post acknowledge this: I cant ever commend the actions he has taken. They are horrific and I feel for the victims and their families. It is truly a tragic day. Remember that this individual is an intellect and articulates himself incredibly well.
It is well established that he opposed the labour party. He attributes the rise in Muslim globalisation in western society (in particular, Norway) to the labour (and to an extend the democratic Christian party) party and subsequently holds great resentment toward them. He describes how Muslims couldn't and shouldn't have a place in the western world. That multiculturalism doesn't work, and despite how politically correct society may attempt to be - people are different, and so are their cultures.
He goes on to explain that while he may be accepting of certain aspects of their culture he feels that integration should not be encouraged (as the Norwegian labour party was doing, he says) and that the Muslims should leave Western Europe as they can not live together harmoniously (cites numerous examples of recent uproars including the "Cartoon Mohammed" scandal and the government's handling, or lack thereof, of the situation) and conflict with the foundations and freedom western society was built upon.
Already at this point we may establish that he has a strong bias against Muslims. He is concerned with the future and the globalisation and rate of growth for Muslim culture and religion.
He predicts a European war, caused by the conflicting values of Muslim culture/society and Western Society. The rate of growth the Muslims are expected to see in the 2020's suggests they become a majority. I'd go into further detail but if you wish to read exactly what he suggests may happen than feel free to read his 1500 page manifesto (there should be an uncensored version out there somewhere that hasn't been deleted yet). He feels this is the epitome of what Europe shouldn't be like and subsequently.. attempts to stop it (I will explain why)
Before reading the below paragraph please put all subjective baised aside.
His only tweet remains "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests." which is synonymous with his actions. There are thousands of people before him, who have suggested the same thing; that Islam will ruin Europe, and that you cant actually live hand in hand. Thousands are dismissed and go ignored or unheard. This was not an attack on the Labour party, this was an attention grab. An attention grab to a greater cause. He committed the most prolific killing spree in history, killing near 100 people in the space of three hours.
If he does nothing but speak, his voice will not be heard. If he kills 100 people, we will listen to his every word.
Once again I remind you, to acknowledge that I can never commend the actions he has taken. They are horrific and I feel for the victims and their families. It is truly a tragic day.
It may be questioned why he attacked a politically endorsed camp as opposed to a Mosque, or Muslim Centre. He doesn't want a war to start because of him, he wants to stop one. He singled out the next highest priority of a target with the highest possible rate of success and attacked. He has killed 92 people, 92 politically opposite but racially neutral people.
Once again I would like to reiterate I do not empathise with Anders Behring BreiviK, but I understand his line of thinking. I don't agree with the way he went about what he did, yet understand his concerns.
I agree to a certain degree with the "clash of civilizations", or the idea that there is something clearly antagonist between cultures in our world, but it's not all there is to say about Islam and Europe.
There is a reason why islam is growing so much in european country. In my country there are more and more muslim, because Islam have a certain political message. It helps a certain part of the population to face some difficult reality, because the islamic message possess that kind of things. So sure some can continue to think that there is a war that is coming, on the sole purpose that muslim and european can't live together, doesn't have the same value, etc. But the truth is that this very antagonism is within each of our societies, it's not between muslims and europeans, but between europeans and europeans. Let's say, if it were not islam, it could be any other type of extremism such as stalinism, nazism, nationalism etc. (I'm not saying muslim = stalinism = nazism = nationalism, just saying they have the same social purpose )
Even if this guy was calm doesn't mean he is intelligent or doesn't give more credit to his arguments. He is mad and ignorant... I'm sure there are almost no immigrant in Norway, if you compare it to germany or France, yet Norway is more in danger ?
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lol holy crap is this 1500 page of bs... i can't believe i am skimming this load of nonsense... the stuff on the knight templar was good but brief... so is it all hate?
by the way, i was and still am seriously considering adopting a white kid and raising him/her well (imagine a white kid with the same Asian environment - speaking Chinese and understanding a whole race would be an immeasurable benefit) and so that my biological kids can be in a multicultural family center...the way he puts it as reprogenetics is so off-putting...that's the reason for having children? for genetics? he might as well be promoting rape of low-income women all across the world? man this riles me a lot....i'm seriously getting mad now...speechless
Oh and quoting him, "Anti-communist Vietnamese should have been relocated to Taiwan, a country established by the anti-communist Chinese after WW2." i guess he really is clueless...Taiwan a safe place after WW2? it's only due to chance diplomacy that a deal was set up between Taiwan and US; then it's also another chance for Taiwan to become democratic. The Taiwanese made every effort to establish ties overseas to be able to escape in the event of an invasion where their superior tech will inevitably lose to superior numbers. The Nationalist party which fought the Japanese was also a bitter enemy of the Communists. Bringing the anti-communist vietnamese to Taiwan would be the same as inviting the Communists to accomplish two objectives with one mission. Oh and add a third objective: control of Taiwan would open the Pacific to China.
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