EPT21 years is the maximum sentence in our legal system. He will be re-evaluated after 10 years to assess if he is still a danger to society. This will continue every 5 years. If he is not deemed fit to return to society/still poses a danger to society after 21 years, he will be imprisoned for another 5 years rolling, and as such he will serve more than the (maximum) 21 years. So, there is every possibility that he will in fact never be released from prison.
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Dr_Jones
Norway252 Posts
21 years is the maximum sentence in our legal system. He will be re-evaluated after 10 years to assess if he is still a danger to society. This will continue every 5 years. If he is not deemed fit to return to society/still poses a danger to society after 21 years, he will be imprisoned for another 5 years rolling, and as such he will serve more than the (maximum) 21 years. So, there is every possibility that he will in fact never be released from prison. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On August 24 2012 18:11 -Archangel- wrote: Justice is a relative term that changes from one country to another. And Vengeance is not something that is automatically bad. It lets the families of the lost ones deal with their grief easier. One of the reasons norwegian socitety is as strong, peaceful and good as it is, is the fact that they don't let emotions trump their principles. Just so people realize the gravity of the situation, a larger percentage of the norwegian nation died that day than the percentage of americans died on 9/11. It's worthy of admiration how the norwegian nation has handled this extremely difficult year. No one explained better how norwegians meant to deal with the situation than Jens Stoltenberg just hours after the attack. I hope this means they get closure. I hope they can move on from this terrible chapter in norwegian history | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On August 24 2012 17:35 FliedLice wrote: Pretty sure they're going to do exactly that. Pretty sure they're going to evaluate at the required times and do whatever they feel like they need to. It's not far-fetched at all that he might be released. Notorious serial killer Arnfinn Nesset, convicted for 22 murders and possibly responsible for as many as 138, was released after 12 years. In no case so far have the preventive detention been extended for very long. People change a lot sometimes, criminals or not. | ||
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Mylin
Sweden177 Posts
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On August 24 2012 21:19 TheBB wrote: Pretty sure they're going to evaluate at the required times and do whatever they feel like they need to. It's not far-fetched at all that he might be released. Notorious serial killer Arnfinn Nesset, convicted for 22 murders and possibly responsible for as many as 138, was released after 12 years. In no case so far have the preventive detention been extended for very long. People change a lot sometimes, criminals or not. Indeed, but his statement "I would repeat it given the chance" will probably haunt him for a good while. Norway handled this well. | ||
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zeru
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Thenerf
United States258 Posts
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
One question you got to ask yourself before judging him is if those were really murders ? You see, if someone tries to kill a man and the man doesn't want to die than the body has a way to "shut everything down" so that you don't actually die expect for maybe 1 out of 1 million cases... the people who he attacked were probably enjoying it. But on a serious note, this really makes you wonder about the juridic system in Norway and other countries like it. On one hand you might argue that the reason why prisons in countries like America are filled and crime is much more frequent than in Norway is because the system doesn't give people any chance to change. On the other hand you have to look at the general level of living and education in America and compare it to Norway. Maybe im reading to much into it... but i have a felling that maybe not everyone in Norway is ( or was, at least) aware that you can do literally everything you want and end up working a 8 hours a day job in a 1000 square meter mini town with internet, personal bathroom and a salary... not to mention that in 21 years or less they will be out. I really have to wonder if we will see a similar thing in Norway in the next few years or even just an increase in murders in general. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On August 24 2012 22:46 Aterons_toss wrote: + Show Spoiler + One question you got to ask yourself before judging him is if those were really murders ? You see, if someone tries to kill a man and the man doesn't want to die than the body has a way to "shut everything down" so that you don't actually die expect for maybe 1 out of 1 million cases... the people who he attacked were probably enjoying it. But on a serious note, this really makes you wonder about the juridic system in Norway and other countries like it. On one hand you might argue that the reason why prisons in countries like America are filled and crime is much more frequent than in Norway is because the system doesn't give people any chance to change. On the other hand you have to look at the general level of living and education in America and compare it to Norway. Maybe im reading to much into it... but i have a felling that maybe not everyone in Norway is ( or was, at least) aware that you can do literally everything you want and end up working a 8 hours a day job in a 1000 square meter mini town with internet, personal bathroom and a salary... not to mention that in 21 years or less they will be out. I really have to wonder if we will see a similar thing in Norway in the next few years or even just an increase in murders in general. Right. Because the only possible reason why people don't go around stealing and murdering is because of the potential punishment. It's far more likely that life there will continue on as it has before. | ||
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
On August 24 2012 22:46 Aterons_toss wrote: [ ... ] Maybe im reading to much into it... but i have a felling that maybe not everyone in Norway is ( or was, at least) aware that you can do literally everything you want and end up working a 8 hours a day job in a 1000 square meter mini town with internet, personal bathroom and a salary... not to mention that in 21 years or less they will be out. I really have to wonder if we will see a similar thing in Norway in the next few years or even just an increase in murders in general. Are you saying that if there was no justice system in your country you would also run around and kill people just because you can? Cause that seems to be more or less what you are saying, which is disgusting at best. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
I really have to wonder if we will see a similar thing in Norway in the next few years or even just an increase in murders in general. No. No such thing has happened yet, and I doubt that Norwegians will suddenly go "Hey, that guy got 'only 21 years'" (which is a gross mis-representation of how it actually is) "I guess I can do anything I want to, as well". If they were the kind of people who are prone to murdering people just because they know consequences are worse in other countries, I don't think this is something that would trigger them to carry out their fantasies, exactly. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
On August 24 2012 22:46 Aterons_toss wrote: + Show Spoiler + One question you got to ask yourself before judging him is if those were really murders ? You see, if someone tries to kill a man and the man doesn't want to die than the body has a way to "shut everything down" so that you don't actually die expect for maybe 1 out of 1 million cases... the people who he attacked were probably enjoying it. But on a serious note, this really makes you wonder about the juridic system in Norway and other countries like it. On one hand you might argue that the reason why prisons in countries like America are filled and crime is much more frequent than in Norway is because the system doesn't give people any chance to change. On the other hand you have to look at the general level of living and education in America and compare it to Norway. Maybe im reading to much into it... but i have a felling that maybe not everyone in Norway is ( or was, at least) aware that you can do literally everything you want and end up working a 8 hours a day job in a 1000 square meter mini town with internet, personal bathroom and a salary... not to mention that in 21 years or less they will be out. I really have to wonder if we will see a similar thing in Norway in the next few years or even just an increase in murders in general. When there are economic problems, there will be violence. | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
On August 24 2012 23:26 dani` wrote: Are you saying that if there was no justice system in your country you would also run around and kill people just because you can? Cause that seems to be more or less what you are saying, which is disgusting at best. First thing first, please keep it civil and don't insinuate that i said things i didn't say. All i am arguing here is that in some cases your subconsciousness can be really fucked up, when you believe you were wronged or when you are acting on instinct you really need a strong consciousness not to go to extreme, now this is the case with some people that can control themselves well and don't need laws in order to not act stupid but a lot of people will act based on there "subconsciousness" side unless there is a penalty to make them act consciously. Its not the case of " you need to pay 20 $ for stealing 10 $ so that none steals 10$ due to the risk"... that is the "wrong" mentality by which criminals such as gang members and such are condemned in America, trying to "beat" civilization into people instead of teaching it to them. But the this kind of mass murder is rather the case of " When you catch your wife cheating on you death penalty for killing the guy he is cheating you with will mean you are less likely to kill him than when you get 10 years for killing him". That guy likely killed based on what he thought subconsciously, he felt like he was vindicating himself or others by killing those people, sometimes people get that kind of "ideas" and a good way to make people consciously block them is by actually giving them something to be scared about. | ||
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ranshaked
United States870 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On August 25 2012 03:11 ranshaked wrote: Can anyone explain what type of prison he will be in? I've read reports of these fantasy prisons that are fancier than the one bedroom apartment I lived in for 15 years. http://gigapica.geenstijl.nl/2012/08/ila_detention_and_security_pri.html Photos of where he will live. I can say for a fact it's not nearly the nicest prison in Norway. Not that i'm saying it's bad, compared to the vast majority of other prisons. On the topic of those fantasy prisons: I wouldn't use the word "fancy", but they're very livable, and that's what seems to bother people, the fact that the prisons here often look like places where a person could live and exist for an extended period of time. | ||
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