EPTOn July 23 2011 23:20 SiDX wrote:
The comments on that video by some of the trolls are disgusting.
The comments on that video by some of the trolls are disgusting.
What do they say!?
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
What do they say!? | ||
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Brundlefly
Norway56 Posts
![[image loading]](http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/174/174273/17427337/jpg/active/314x_13197743.jpg) This is cold, calculated and without a shred of disbelief or regret. This gives a disgusting twist to the horrible situation in Oslo right now. | ||
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Varela
Portugal11 Posts
On July 23 2011 23:10 Ghad wrote: We have a dualistic weapon law: A huge amount of norwegians has a gun, in the sense of a hunting rifle, shotgun, and some sporting pistols and that sort. Combat weapons is not common at at all, and fully automatic weapons are basically not allowed. Even the home guard branch of our army is basically disarmed, in that the soldiers needs to hand in a vital piece of their assault rifle, basically dismantling it. We do have a license system as you would expect. You need to be a member of a shooting club, or hunter, to get a license to own your own weapon. We have a rifle association, but please don't see this as conservative politicial force, it is mostly about sports: http://www.dfs.no/en/ Thanks for the insight and link. We pretty much have the same system here in Portugal (gun owners are mostly hunters or use them in shooting sports). Licenses are also required. I personaly dont have any strong believes pro or con gun ownership, even a hammer can be a deadly weapon in the hands of a maniac. I'm very sorry for your loss, my respects. | ||
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gravethrasher
Norway89 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:57 Ilvy wrote: You are native norwegian or just living there? Because you are one of the most realistic ppl there i´ve seen now. Beside of the "arming police makes thinks worse". Problem is that everyone on norway is able to own weapons, any kind of weapons but the police is not trustfull enough for beeing armed? Isn´t that kinda shizo? Even if the island would have been full of police they wouldn´t have been able to protect the kids from what happend, so they are kinda useless and just are used to write your fines? Appreciate it, its nice not to just get flak for a change, and yeah Ive lived here all my life. Police get to use weapons only when its needed, and dont walk around armed. Usually they have special SWAT teams when they need to do drug bust and that sort of thing. I dont have a problem with unarmed police mostly because im way more scared of their dogs. We dont have the same level of crime as in other contries | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
On July 23 2011 23:27 Brundlefly wrote: My theory: The guy laughed all the way into custody. His facebook profile is carefully designed with professional photos of him, so he can look like this on the front page: + Show Spoiler + This is cold, calculated and without a shred of disbelief or regret. This gives a disgusting twist to the horrible situation in Oslo right now. Thats my guess too. He wants to be some sort of hero, martyr or symbol. Timothy McVeigh who did the Oklahoma City bombing is a hero in right-extremist groups, i guess he wants to be something like this for whatever group he believed in or was associated with | ||
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Hallayz
Norway26 Posts
I think what the poster meant was - you guys say you don't want life sentences or the death penalty. But you are saying the guy is going to get forvaring anyway. So basically you're saying you do want a life sentence for him but you just don't want to call it a life sentence, you just call it forvaring instead. Anyway, this is an emotional time, especially for Norwegians, so it's understandable why some would use national pride in their own country's laws as a form of comfort, yet end up being inconsistent. Just like how I was inconsistent in saying I wouldn't post anymore. OK bedtime. We do not wish to change our laws for this one man. We do not belive in the death penalty and this person will have his punishment by being reminded every single day for the rest of his life that all his deluded efforts didnt achieve anything except unite a nation in grief over this tragedy. I also believe that when the door of that prison cell closes, when the media circus is over and he is left to his own thoughts and 21 years to think about what he has done, seeing what he did to those kids over and over in his mind, he will be in a hell much worse than what he would be given from the mercy of a death penalty. | ||
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Hedgehog
Macedonia73 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
Doing something absolutely horrible, totally cruel: Brings u in the media, makes u world wide known, gives u unbelieveable attention. News only cover the bad, the worse and the worst. Doing something good or living an ordinary live: No one gives a shit. Doing something incredibly good & brave: Sometimes u can read about it, see it being mentioned in the news. Not saying he did it because the media is mostly using horrible, bizarre, bad, extraordinary or cruel stuff as their news but I often wonder: Would he have ever done this if the media landscape would be different. It just makes me so ruthless. I mean if we dont just want to cry and moan and say how horrible all this is we have to think a bit about this, dont we? I at least whenever such horrible things occur always think to myself ''this cant be.. we all got to start with ourselves first.. I have to change things.. I have to do things.. be nicer.. think more about other humans ect..'' Then time goes bye and bye and in the end barely anything changed and I get mad an realize its always the same. Maybe this is a stupid way of trying to get something good out of such a horrible thing but I just cant watch it and say ''well ~ 100 young people died because of a maniac'' Im not really making sense here probably but I just have that feeling when such things happen it has to be some kind of WAKE UP CALL for every single person. Something is wrong with our society/world. And we all have to start with our own 'shit' first. Dont really know how to express this but something good has to come out of this and its definitely not blaming pc games, music, or whatever.. But more like .. show people more love, dont harass other people, dont exclude people from society. ect.. Not making any sense right now srry  | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
Guy should get draconian punishment. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On July 23 2011 23:33 Hallayz wrote: We do not wish to change our laws for this one man. We do not belive in the death penalty and this person will have his punishment by being reminded every single day for the rest of his life that all his deluded efforts didnt achieve anything except unite a nation in grief over this tragedy. I also believe that when the door of that prison cell closes, when the media circus is over and he is left to his own thoughts and 21 years to think about what he has done, seeing what he did to those kids over and over in his mind, he will be in a hell much worse than what he would be given from the mercy of a death penalty. The goal of the 21-year prison sentence is supposed to be rehabilitation, not mental torment. The idea is that he will come out after 21 years (Assuming he gets a 21 year sentence, and not 21 x 80), and be a functioning member of society. | ||
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dangerjoe
Denmark1866 Posts
On July 23 2011 23:24 reneg wrote: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he didn't call himself in because he's stupid, but rather that he called himself in because he felt guilty and needed to come clean. Normally people don't turn themselves in by accident. Either way, If this individual has a connection with the massacre, i hope he gets what he deserves in prison time. It's a reprehensible thing. This just keeps getting worse. Yeah I guess you're right.. But someone sympathizing with this creep is still stupid in my eyes. I don't think he was involved in the incident, but rather he is some dude craving for attention. But I guess we will see + Show Spoiler + On July 23 2011 23:27 Brundlefly wrote: My theory: The guy laughed all the way into custody. His facebook profile is carefully designed with professional photos of him, so he can look like this on the front page: This is cold, calculated and without a shred of disbelief or regret. This gives a disgusting twist to the horrible situation in Oslo right now. I think you are spot on. Everything about this seems so calculated. The bomb, the massacre, the police uniform, the facebook and twitter profile, posts all over the internet under his real name. He planned everything and it probably went more or less exactly like he planned. He even had that farm so he could order the amounts of fertilizer he needed for a big bomb, without looking suspicious. Neighbours says he never really did any work at the farm. Maybe he bought the farm for this sole reason? Who knows how many years he has been planning this shit. Kids saw him celebrating while he was shooting their friends. A full-fledged psychopath/fanatic. I feel sick just thinking about it | ||
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
The orignal article in norwegian: http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10080634 + Show Spoiler + Jorid Holstad Nordmelan (20) from Namsos hid for an hour and a half with 20-30 others, while the gunman was shooting outside. With barricaded windows and doors, they hid under beds and luggage and were hoping the gunman would move on. Among the surviviors is Jorid Holstad Nordmelan. Leader of AUF Oslo, she's among the eyewitnesses that are now telling the story of the horrific drama from the AUF-camp at Utøya. - Norwegian People's Aid came in and said there was a policeman firing at other people. We were told to put mattresses in front of the windows and tables in front of the doors. I thought it was just standard procedure, I didn't think anything could happen in Norway, Nordmelan says. Then the gunman started shooting at the building she was in. - I just thought "Now we're going to die". - I didn't think the shooting was serious. Moments before the shooting everybody in the camp had just been to an emergency meeting in Storsalen(Large Hall), to talk about what happened in Oslo. When the meeting was over Nordmelan went down to the schoolroom, a dormitory, while speaking to her boyfriend on the phone. Then she heard shots. - I did't think it was serious, I thought someone was firing in the air, she says. She didn't look at her watch but she thinks it was arond 5:45 When she cam down to the dormitory were Norwegian People's Aid also were, they looked scared. She went in and not long after people ran in scared and screaming, then they were told to barricade the doors and windows. Hid in the bedroom. The 20 year old tells us that a girl was shot in the arm and those that were in the main room threw themselves into the bedroom, which was further away from were the shots were coming from. Normelan hid deep under one of the 3 bunk beds in the little bedroom. Another person did the same, the rest hid among luggage on the floor and inside the beds. In total they were 30 to 40 people in the room, Normalen estimates. - The tears were running while I was lying there. Then I thought about us under the beds being the safest, because we were so far in. Then I felt guilty(bad conscience) and cried even more. She says that everybody remained calm, but several were crying and wet themselves. - Then suddenly we heard the shooting was far away. It was fantastic that he wasn't close by anymore. It wasn't till then she started thinking about family and close ones. She borrowed a cell phone and sent a message that she was hiding and that they shouldn't worry. Never stopped shooting De stayed down in silence in the room for an hour and a half while receiving text messages and reading about the drama through online news on the phone. The shooting continued. - He just kept shooting. He never shot just one time when he shot. He fired at least 8-10 times. I heard later that he had been shooting people and then walked over to them and shot them in the head afterwards. He was there to kill. It wasn't before the shooting was far away they thought about calling the police, to make sure they had been told. They told the police they thought there were several shooters, because there were so many shots spread around the island. Ten minutes later they heard sirenes and the shooting stopped. They thought the rescue had arrived and they would be safe. Then they heard yelling outside the window. "Hi, hi, This is the police", he yelled. Then started firing again. She don't know if it was the police or the perpetrator that yelled, because he pretended to be police. - We hoped that he had missed a lot but then we saw them. After a while the police entered the building and told everybody to keep their hands above theire heads, as they thought there might be more shooters. - At first we were really scared. Because we knew he looked like a policeman. Then when we saw they were more we started cheering. They were quickly told to be quiet, as the police were still looking for more shooters and said there was still danger. They sat in the main room with the police for another hour before they could leave. Then they got terrible news from friends and acquaintances that there might be a bomb on the island. It wasn't untill then I got really scared. Shooting you can escape, but there is no escape from a bomb. The police eventually got them out and moved to the ferry. It wasn't long before they started to run. Dead bodies were spread around them among injured people receving first aid. - It wasn't untill then we realised how bad it had been. We were hoping he had missed a lot. Everybody started crying when we realised what we had been a part of. I didn't quite get to the end, sorry, I have to go. I'm posting it anyway without any proofreading, it was almost finished. | ||
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Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
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Otori
Sweden164 Posts
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Grettin
42411 Posts
On July 23 2011 23:50 Otori wrote: Is the "real" motive known yet? I mean, from his own statements, or is it still just speculations? No, Police said something about him talking but they haven't released any info. | ||
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Chilling5pr33
Germany518 Posts
On July 23 2011 23:50 Otori wrote: Is the "real" motive known yet? I mean, from his own statements, or is it still just speculations? Ofcourse all is speculation, and i doupt we will find a reason beside the standart gaming / lack of attention speculations soon... | ||
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MasterFischer
Denmark836 Posts
Do you honestly believe that rehabilitation for this maniac is possible? What's the point of getting him into "forvaring" or whatever.... just kill this sad fuck and be on with curing problems of the world. anybody capable of murdering 92 people in cold blood, be proud of it like this fucking nutcase, isn't gonna be rehabilitated anytime soon, I will tell you that. I guess we shouldn't have executed Adolf Hitler either, if we ever had the chance to then? He only murdered directly/indirectly 6million+ people, and he felt GOOD about it, and he believed stoicly and forcefuly on this beliefs and actions, just like this massmurderer from Norway. Sadly, Hitler comitted suicide before we could get to him, but you would seriously consider letting a man like Hitler alive, just because it's "wrong" to kill other human beings, regardless of how atrociously outrageous and lunatic their actions may be ? hmm.. | ||
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
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fidelity
Sweden410 Posts
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Andymoo
United States110 Posts
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