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Keep your off topic discussions out of this thread and show some damn respect!
Typhus
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway122 Posts
July 23 2011 10:09 GMT
#361
Ok. I just translated the other survivor's tale going about. Teary eyed as hell right now. This is strong stuff. Hopefully i could keep the tone of post in my translation. + Show Spoiler +
I've woken up. I can't sleep anymore. i'm sitting in the living room. Feeling sorrow, anger, happiness, God i dont know what. It's just too many emotions, too many thoughts. I'm scared. I react to even the smallest sound. I'll now write about what happened at Utøya. Hva my eyes saw, what i felt, what i did. the words come straight from the hear, but i will keep out the names out of respect for my friends.

We had a crisis meeting in the main building after the explosions in Oslo. Afterwards there was a meeting for the members from the Oslo-area. After the meetings many, many of us were in and around the main building. Vi took comfort in the fact that we were safe on an island. No one knew hell would break loose here as well.

I was in the main hall when panic broke loose. I heard shots. I saw him firing. Everybody started running. My first thought was: "Why are the police shooting at us? What the hell?!" I ran into the small gathering room. People were running. Screaming. I was scared. I got into one of the rooms at the back of the building. We were many there. We were all laying on the floor. we hear more shots. Got more scared. I cried. I didn't understand anything. I saw my best friend through the window and wondered if I should go out to get him in. I didn't have time. I saw the fear in his eyes. We remained on the floor for several minutes. We agreed to not let anyone else in for fear of the killer. We heard more shots and decided to jump out the window. I was the last one and though: "I'm the last on out the window. I'm gonna die now. Im sure, but it's propably allright, at least i'll know the others are safe". I threw my bag out the window. Tried climbing down, but lost my grip. I landed hard on my left side. A boy helped me up. We ran into the woods. I looked around. "Is he here? Is he shooting at me? Does he see me?" A girl had broken her ankle. Another one was badly wounded. I tried to help before i headed for the water. I took cover behind some kind of brick wall. We were many. I prayed, prayed, prayed. I hoped that God was watching. I called my mom and told her we might not meet again, but that i would do everything to survive. I could hear the fear in her voice. Shed cried. It hust. I sent my dad a text, told him i loved him. I sent a text to another loved one. We kept in contact. I sent my best friend a text. He didn't answer. We heard more shots. Crept together. Did anything we could to stay warm. So many thoughts. I was scared. My dad called. I cried and told him i loved him. He said he was on his way with my brother to receive me when i got ashore or they got to the island. So many emotions, and so many thoughts. I prayed with all my heart. Some time passed. The others called their parents. Eventually we all started texting fearing the kille would hear us. I was thinking about my sister, who was away on vacation. How would i tell here how i was? what was happening to me? I updated twitter and facebook saying i was alive and "safe" for the time being. I wrote i was waiting for the police. People were jumping into the water and started swimming. I remained still. I decided i would play dead if he came. I wouldn't run or swim. I can't describe the fear, my thoughts or my emotions.

A man came. "I'm from the police". I kept still. Some yelled that he needed to prove it. I can't remember exactly what they said, but the killer started shooting. He reloaded. Fired some more. He shot those around med. I kept still thinking "It's over. He's here. He's going to take me. I'll die." People screamed. I heard others being shot. Others jumped in the water. I kept still. Phone in hand. I lay on top of the legs of a girl. Two others were lying over my legs. I remained still. Texts were coming in. My cell rang several times. I kept playing dead I acted dead for at least an hour. I carefully turned my head, looking for suvivors. I saw bodies. I saw blood. Fear. I decided to get up. I had been lying on a dead body. Two dead bodies had been lying on me. I had a guardian angel.

I didn't know if he would come back. I didn't have the courage to look at who had called or texted me. I ran for the water. took of my sweater. It was big. I thought it would be hard to swim with it. I considered taking my cell or letting it lay. I put it in my back pocket and went in. I saw several others in the water. They had swam far. Some had gathered around some kind of floating device, it looked like an inflatable boat. Loads of boats were picking up swimmers. I swam, swam and swam towards the floating thing. i screamed. Cried. Got cold. Thought about when i would drown. It got heavier and heavier. I prayed. I kept going. My arms were spent. I kept going on my back using only my legs. I started sinking. Went back to normal swimming. For a while i thought the inflatable boat was moving away from me. I screamed. Begged them to wait for me. I must have been seeing things. I swam some hundred metesrs before i reached it. We talked some. Told each other our names, were we came from. WHen the boats went past we screamed for help, but they picked up the swimmers first. A man in a boat came to us. he threw out life vests. I got one. Got it on me. I held on to the rubber boat until the same man came back and picked us up. Everyone got aboard. He started heading for shore. After a while the small boat started taking in water. I did everything i could to get it out, using a bucket. I got tired. A girl in the boat took over. We came to shore. We got blankets. Tears were building. I cried more. A woman hugged me. It felt so good. I was crying loudly. Sobbing. A man lent me his phone. I called my dad: "I'm alive. I made it. Im safe" I hung up. Cried more. We had to walk a while. Strangers took us in their cars and drove us to Sundvolden Hotell. I ran in to look for my best friend. I couldn't see him anywhere. I saw a female friend. I cried. We hugged for a long time. It felt good. I walked aoround, looking for friends. My heart was beating hard. I was still crying. I registered at the Police. Looked through the lists. I didn't if my best friend was a live. Couldn't find his name anywhere. I was scared. Someone gave me a blanket. Took off my wet socks. I was half naked. Someone gave me a coat. I tried to get myself together. Contacted my parents again. Dad and my big brother were on the way to get me. I drank some cocoa. Sat down. Thinking. Crying. I saw more of my friends. hugged them. Cried. Someone lent me a computer. I updated facebook and twitter again that I was safe. I was at the hotel for several hours before my family came. Looking for friends. Talked to a Priest. Told him what i'd seen. It was a good conversation. A paramedic looked at my wounds. Cleaned them. Time went. I was with some of my friends. everyone was talking about the same. How we had survived. What had happened. I asked several if they'd seen my best friends. Noone had. I was scared. thought it was my fault cause we hadn't stuck together. A friend got the key to a hotelroom. We sat there watching the news. Anger, sorrow, so many emotions going through us. My dad called, they had arrived. I took the elevator down. tan out to them. Hugged my brother and my dead for a long time. I cried. My brother cried. It was a good moment. I saw someone looking like my best friend. Shouted his name. He turned. It was him. We hugged for a long time. both of us crying we asked how we'd made it. After a while i registered abain and we drove home. Some others got a lift from us. My best friend came home with us. His brother was there with his best friend. People were gathered at my house. They wouldn't leave until they knew we were okay. We talked. I drank a glass of juice. Ate a Yoghurt. Talked with my mom and my family. Called my best female friend. It was a good call. She said: "I wasn't sure i would ever get this phone call." tears were welling up. We talked for a while. Afterwards i went to bed. It was three o'clock. Mom refused to let me sleep alone, so we slept together.

Some hours have passe. Im still in shock. It still hasnt sunk in. I've seen the bodies of my friends. Several friends are still missing. I'm happy i can swim. Happy to be alive. That God was watching out for me. So many emotions, so man thoughts. I think about the all the people who have lost someone. All the people i have lost. The hell that is and was on the island. This summers most beautiful adventure turned to Norways wors nightmare.


source: http://prableen.origo.no/-/bulletin/show/672218_helvete-paa-utoeya
Aim Here
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Scotland672 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 10:13:38
July 23 2011 10:12 GMT
#362
On July 23 2011 18:58 nukeazerg wrote:

Well I would like to learn more about what is exactly so joyful as Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store, a Labour Party member reported. It is a partisan camp so dont bullshit me about learning just about democracy.


A lot of Western political parties have youth wings and those youth wings have conferences where the kids gather to talk politics.

For example, in the US, you'll have the Young Democrats, at http://www.yda.org/. They're having a big shindig in four days time in Louisville, Kentucky. Their counterparts, the Young Republicans, are at http://www.yrnf.com/ and their annual meeting was around the 6th, in Puerto Rico. Party conferences quite often take place in relatively pleasant locations in the summer, for obvious reasons.

The victims at Utøya were just taking part in the Norwegian version of this. It's nothing more sinister than the usual workings of representative democracy.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
July 23 2011 10:12 GMT
#363
Any Norwergian who has closer look on this, can you confirm that the shooter got shot (not critically) before he was arrested?
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 10:13:48
July 23 2011 10:13 GMT
#364
--- Nuked ---
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
July 23 2011 10:13 GMT
#365
On July 23 2011 18:59 esperanto wrote:
Please US ppl, you have no idea about the this legal system. Its just not about "eye for an eye". And its proven pretty effective in europe. Stop wasting a single thought on this fuckin moron.
Killing him wouldnt bring anyone back to life. His aim was to change the liberal views of norway. Dont give him the pleasure to do so.

There is a big IUSY-festival next week in austria, many young socialists from norway wanted to come. I feel so terribly sad. I know some of them and hope they are ok.

Just hard not to wish harm onto a so obviously bad for well everyone individual. Something like this a person wouldn't even make it to trail dead on the way to prison or in prison a Jack Ruby to a Lee Harvey Oswald. Something ppl want but cant publicly approve.
Quakie
Profile Joined October 2008
Norway725 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 10:15:04
July 23 2011 10:14 GMT
#366
Norwegian media states that it probably is another killer as well, several witnes said that they saw another one carrying weapons and shoting people. This is scary.
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
July 23 2011 10:14 GMT
#367
I'm sickened ...

I can't even begin to imagine what the loved ones of the victims are going through right now. Imagine if you were there, with a loved one, and your last sight of them was of them being mercilessly gunned down...

I'm in shock. I've heard about so many crimes, read the details of so many horrific murders and other terrible crimes ... but for some reason this really hit me hard.

All I can hope for now is the quick finding of all those still missing, and for the twisted man who did this to be forever locked away.

- - -

And please, everybody ignore that nukeazerg guy. He's either just trying to make people angry, or he's an idiot. In either case, the best thing to do is ignore anything he says.
"Killer helped me feel better before coming to the arena. He told me to say that." - Bomber
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
July 23 2011 10:14 GMT
#368
On July 23 2011 19:02 crappen wrote:
By destroying this man, executing your own vengeance and thirst for it, is a terrible solution. This man, Anders Behring, must be in extreme pain to do such things, he is already in hell.

Do not destroy yourself by having thoughts of vengeance. I hope we in Norway can find a good solution to this, and why not try to rehabilitate him if we think its a slight chance of posibility?

I hope we can find peace in all this, and not fall into the trap of fear.

You...feel sorry for him? Hope he can be rehabilitated and re-enter society?

I honestly don't even understand how someone could possibly want that for a guy who just mass murdered a bunch of children. If it was your daughter on her hands and knees begging him for her life before he killed her...he deserves better than what she got?

I just keep deleting comments that make me rage at the naivety of this. I dunno what to say. sorry.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Wivyx
Profile Joined May 2009
Norway624 Posts
July 23 2011 10:14 GMT
#369
On July 23 2011 19:12 Grettin wrote:
Any Norwergian who has closer look on this, can you confirm that the shooter got shot (not critically) before he was arrested?


It was said on Tv2 that the shooter was indeed shot before he was arrested. Not sure if it has been confirmed officially by police.
Broxxi
Profile Joined June 2010
Norway48 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 10:15:25
July 23 2011 10:14 GMT
#370
Now rumours are rolling about a second shooter earlier today at Utøya. The source of these rumours are witnesses on the island. He's to not have worn a police uniform according to the witnesses.

It's ofcourse a SECOND perpetrator. Police are looking into it.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=no&sl=no&tl=en&u=http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10080633
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
July 23 2011 10:15 GMT
#371
On July 23 2011 19:14 Wivyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 19:12 Grettin wrote:
Any Norwergian who has closer look on this, can you confirm that the shooter got shot (not critically) before he was arrested?


It was said on Tv2 that the shooter was indeed shot before he was arrested. Not sure if it has been confirmed officially by police.


Thank you. IF you hear something about it, please share.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
July 23 2011 10:15 GMT
#372
On July 23 2011 19:09 Typhus wrote:
Ok. I just translated the other survivor's tale going about. Teary eyed as hell right now. This is strong stuff. Hopefully i could keep the tone of post in my translation. + Show Spoiler +
I've woken up. I can't sleep anymore. i'm sitting in the living room. Feeling sorrow, anger, happiness, God i dont know what. It's just too many emotions, too many thoughts. I'm scared. I react to even the smallest sound. I'll now write about what happened at Utøya. Hva my eyes saw, what i felt, what i did. the words come straight from the hear, but i will keep out the names out of respect for my friends.

We had a crisis meeting in the main building after the explosions in Oslo. Afterwards there was a meeting for the members from the Oslo-area. After the meetings many, many of us were in and around the main building. Vi took comfort in the fact that we were safe on an island. No one knew hell would break loose here as well.

I was in the main hall when panic broke loose. I heard shots. I saw him firing. Everybody started running. My first thought was: "Why are the police shooting at us? What the hell?!" I ran into the small gathering room. People were running. Screaming. I was scared. I got into one of the rooms at the back of the building. We were many there. We were all laying on the floor. we hear more shots. Got more scared. I cried. I didn't understand anything. I saw my best friend through the window and wondered if I should go out to get him in. I didn't have time. I saw the fear in his eyes. We remained on the floor for several minutes. We agreed to not let anyone else in for fear of the killer. We heard more shots and decided to jump out the window. I was the last one and though: "I'm the last on out the window. I'm gonna die now. Im sure, but it's propably allright, at least i'll know the others are safe". I threw my bag out the window. Tried climbing down, but lost my grip. I landed hard on my left side. A boy helped me up. We ran into the woods. I looked around. "Is he here? Is he shooting at me? Does he see me?" A girl had broken her ankle. Another one was badly wounded. I tried to help before i headed for the water. I took cover behind some kind of brick wall. We were many. I prayed, prayed, prayed. I hoped that God was watching. I called my mom and told her we might not meet again, but that i would do everything to survive. I could hear the fear in her voice. Shed cried. It hust. I sent my dad a text, told him i loved him. I sent a text to another loved one. We kept in contact. I sent my best friend a text. He didn't answer. We heard more shots. Crept together. Did anything we could to stay warm. So many thoughts. I was scared. My dad called. I cried and told him i loved him. He said he was on his way with my brother to receive me when i got ashore or they got to the island. So many emotions, and so many thoughts. I prayed with all my heart. Some time passed. The others called their parents. Eventually we all started texting fearing the kille would hear us. I was thinking about my sister, who was away on vacation. How would i tell here how i was? what was happening to me? I updated twitter and facebook saying i was alive and "safe" for the time being. I wrote i was waiting for the police. People were jumping into the water and started swimming. I remained still. I decided i would play dead if he came. I wouldn't run or swim. I can't describe the fear, my thoughts or my emotions.

A man came. "I'm from the police". I kept still. Some yelled that he needed to prove it. I can't remember exactly what they said, but the killer started shooting. He reloaded. Fired some more. He shot those around med. I kept still thinking "It's over. He's here. He's going to take me. I'll die." People screamed. I heard others being shot. Others jumped in the water. I kept still. Phone in hand. I lay on top of the legs of a girl. Two others were lying over my legs. I remained still. Texts were coming in. My cell rang several times. I kept playing dead I acted dead for at least an hour. I carefully turned my head, looking for suvivors. I saw bodies. I saw blood. Fear. I decided to get up. I had been lying on a dead body. Two dead bodies had been lying on me. I had a guardian angel.

I didn't know if he would come back. I didn't have the courage to look at who had called or texted me. I ran for the water. took of my sweater. It was big. I thought it would be hard to swim with it. I considered taking my cell or letting it lay. I put it in my back pocket and went in. I saw several others in the water. They had swam far. Some had gathered around some kind of floating device, it looked like an inflatable boat. Loads of boats were picking up swimmers. I swam, swam and swam towards the floating thing. i screamed. Cried. Got cold. Thought about when i would drown. It got heavier and heavier. I prayed. I kept going. My arms were spent. I kept going on my back using only my legs. I started sinking. Went back to normal swimming. For a while i thought the inflatable boat was moving away from me. I screamed. Begged them to wait for me. I must have been seeing things. I swam some hundred metesrs before i reached it. We talked some. Told each other our names, were we came from. WHen the boats went past we screamed for help, but they picked up the swimmers first. A man in a boat came to us. he threw out life vests. I got one. Got it on me. I held on to the rubber boat until the same man came back and picked us up. Everyone got aboard. He started heading for shore. After a while the small boat started taking in water. I did everything i could to get it out, using a bucket. I got tired. A girl in the boat took over. We came to shore. We got blankets. Tears were building. I cried more. A woman hugged me. It felt so good. I was crying loudly. Sobbing. A man lent me his phone. I called my dad: "I'm alive. I made it. Im safe" I hung up. Cried more. We had to walk a while. Strangers took us in their cars and drove us to Sundvolden Hotell. I ran in to look for my best friend. I couldn't see him anywhere. I saw a female friend. I cried. We hugged for a long time. It felt good. I walked aoround, looking for friends. My heart was beating hard. I was still crying. I registered at the Police. Looked through the lists. I didn't if my best friend was a live. Couldn't find his name anywhere. I was scared. Someone gave me a blanket. Took off my wet socks. I was half naked. Someone gave me a coat. I tried to get myself together. Contacted my parents again. Dad and my big brother were on the way to get me. I drank some cocoa. Sat down. Thinking. Crying. I saw more of my friends. hugged them. Cried. Someone lent me a computer. I updated facebook and twitter again that I was safe. I was at the hotel for several hours before my family came. Looking for friends. Talked to a Priest. Told him what i'd seen. It was a good conversation. A paramedic looked at my wounds. Cleaned them. Time went. I was with some of my friends. everyone was talking about the same. How we had survived. What had happened. I asked several if they'd seen my best friends. Noone had. I was scared. thought it was my fault cause we hadn't stuck together. A friend got the key to a hotelroom. We sat there watching the news. Anger, sorrow, so many emotions going through us. My dad called, they had arrived. I took the elevator down. tan out to them. Hugged my brother and my dead for a long time. I cried. My brother cried. It was a good moment. I saw someone looking like my best friend. Shouted his name. He turned. It was him. We hugged for a long time. both of us crying we asked how we'd made it. After a while i registered abain and we drove home. Some others got a lift from us. My best friend came home with us. His brother was there with his best friend. People were gathered at my house. They wouldn't leave until they knew we were okay. We talked. I drank a glass of juice. Ate a Yoghurt. Talked with my mom and my family. Called my best female friend. It was a good call. She said: "I wasn't sure i would ever get this phone call." tears were welling up. We talked for a while. Afterwards i went to bed. It was three o'clock. Mom refused to let me sleep alone, so we slept together.

Some hours have passe. Im still in shock. It still hasnt sunk in. I've seen the bodies of my friends. Several friends are still missing. I'm happy i can swim. Happy to be alive. That God was watching out for me. So many emotions, so man thoughts. I think about the all the people who have lost someone. All the people i have lost. The hell that is and was on the island. This summers most beautiful adventure turned to Norways wors nightmare.


source: http://prableen.origo.no/-/bulletin/show/672218_helvete-paa-utoeya
Jesus fucking christ...

I don't know what to say.
pac.558
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada90 Posts
July 23 2011 10:15 GMT
#373
Unbelievably sad.

R.I.P.

That man will rot in hell
Traeon
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria366 Posts
July 23 2011 10:16 GMT
#374
It's hard to think that this tragedy would not change Norway in some way. However change should not be borne out of emotional distress, and executing Anders Behring is certainly not going to help. The social background and setting play a large role in these terror attacks. That's where the change is needed in my opinion.
Typhus
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway122 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 10:16:32
July 23 2011 10:16 GMT
#375
On July 23 2011 19:12 Grettin wrote:
Any Norwergian who has closer look on this, can you confirm that the shooter got shot (not critically) before he was arrested?

There has been nothing about this. The police were interrogating him from just after the arrest, which leads me to believe he wasn't shot.

Newest reports now have police lloking for a possible second shooter based on eye-witness accounts.

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10080633

Headline: Police fear second shooter at large
Perseverance
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan2800 Posts
July 23 2011 10:16 GMT
#376
Any word on a motive yet?
<3 Moonbattles
Broxxi
Profile Joined June 2010
Norway48 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 10:18:59
July 23 2011 10:17 GMT
#377
On July 23 2011 19:16 Perseverance wrote:
Any word on a motive yet?

No, police are holding the cards close to their chest. Probably to get more info about a network IF there is one. Note the IF IF IF!


On July 23 2011 19:12 Grettin wrote:
Any Norwergian who has closer look on this, can you confirm that the shooter got shot (not critically) before he was arrested?

Someone asked that question at the 09:00 press conferance. The acting police chief answered no, at that time what's true I don't know and we probably won't know untill they feel like opening up.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
July 23 2011 10:17 GMT
#378
On July 23 2011 19:16 Typhus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 19:12 Grettin wrote:
Any Norwergian who has closer look on this, can you confirm that the shooter got shot (not critically) before he was arrested?

There has been nothing about this. The police were interrogating him from just after the arrest, which leads me to believe he wasn't shot.

Newest reports now have police lloking for a possible second shooter based on eye-witness accounts.

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10080633

Headline: Police fear second shooter at large


Well, getting shot doesn't mean you cannot be interrogated. I mean, if he got shot to leg/arm.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
eNte[19]
Profile Joined April 2010
Ireland62 Posts
July 23 2011 10:18 GMT
#379
So disturbing to read how he (possibly two of them) kept making sure whoever they shot was dead, witness accounts explains how they went up to people who were shot, shivering on the ground, and shot them again just to be sure.... truly messed up.
Ciraxis
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July 23 2011 10:19 GMT
#380
On July 23 2011 17:51 Awesomeness wrote:
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On July 23 2011 17:42 Plexa wrote:
So far I'm very impressed by the way Norway is handling this.


So true. Reminds me of how japan dealt with the tsunami-disaster for some reason. They are not willing to change their way of life because of terror, I think many countries could learn a lot from that...


My thoughts exactly. This is a great tragedy, yet Norway appears to be handling the situation calmly and with great strength.
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