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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
![]() I can't fucking believe it. how can someone kill so many people, that's insane. oh and it makes me angry like hell that this fucking bullshit website about killing sprees is from switzerland, how can you report such things? that's disgusting. Norwegian officials and police are handling it really good, especially the PM. Keep your good spirit of freedom and peace up and stay strong | ||
larssto
Norway18 Posts
My fear is that we have only seen the beginning of this. The amount of careful planning that seem to have been involved by this douchebag leads me to think that one his main motivations for all of this has been to get attention - serious attention. The recently created Facebook and Twitter profiles, his very articulate posts on the right-wing online forum, the fact that he surrendered rather than suicide - all this lead me to think that this guy has already planned his trial statements. I fear that he will use a trial as pulpit for his own messed-up version of what's going on in world, and that he hopes to become some kind of hero/martyr to people who share his views on the world. Considering that we have very strong traditions for openess in Norway and that there is no classified stuff involved here, I cannot see this NOT being a huge public trial, propably several as he will surely appeal all the way to our Supreme Court. Just to give an indication of how small-scale Norway is. The scumbag's appartment is next door to a good friend of mine, where I have spent a lot time... Finally I would like to say that I am, so far, impressed with how our political leadership has handled this. I also hope that we as a society can overcome this without succumbing to fear and paranoia. It's past noon here now, so I guess it's ok to get a drink - I sure as hell need one. | ||
keeblur
United States826 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On July 23 2011 19:27 CCow wrote: So you think the guy pre-made his tweets so he could fake a survivor-blog afterwards? http://twitter.com/#!/PrableenKaur If you want to read his tweets. 18hrs ago: "I am alive for now." 16hrs ago: "I'm safe now. I got myself to the mainland." .... Really, stop posting such stuff blindly! Even in a thread like this you can't be civil? | ||
Broxxi
Norway48 Posts
On July 23 2011 19:32 keeblur wrote: Facebook says he played WoW and CoD, wonder how much blame those will get. None by norwegian media at least. People connect gaming culture with shitty sleep routines, but not killing people over here. Not to forget to little focus on schoolwork *Looks in mirror* =/ | ||
Grettin
42381 Posts
On July 23 2011 19:32 keeblur wrote: Facebook says he played WoW and CoD, wonder how much blame those will get. Some idiot professor will always figure out something to blame. On July 23 2011 19:30 marttorn wrote: Just heard it on the news; This is officially the worst thing to happen to Norway (in terms of fatalities that it) since WW2 Yeah well, lets be honest, this was pretty obvious if you ask me. ![]() | ||
Ryndika
1489 Posts
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CCow
Germany335 Posts
On July 23 2011 19:32 Sfydjklm wrote: Even in a thread like this you can't be civil? You are accusing a victims blog as fake without having any evidence at all. Do you call that civil? | ||
Grettin
42381 Posts
On July 23 2011 19:33 Ryndika wrote: Why didn't this guy make suicide? What was his motives? devouted christian? out of ammo? who knows. | ||
Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On July 23 2011 19:34 CCow wrote: You are accusing a victims blog as fake without having any evidence at all. Do you call that civil? I most certainly did not. | ||
sekalf
Sweden522 Posts
On July 23 2011 19:31 larssto wrote: Norwegain here - shocked and saddened as all of us are... My fear is that we have only seen the beginning of this. The amount of careful planning that seem to have been involved by this douchebag leads me to think that one his main motivations for all of this has been to get attention - serious attention. The recently created Facebook and Twitter profiles, his very articulate posts on the right-wing online forum, the fact that he surrendered rather than suicide - all this lead me to think that this guy has already planned his trial statements. I fear that he will use a trial as pulpit for his own messed-up version of what's going on in world, and that he hopes to become some kind of hero/martyr to people who share his views on the world. Considering that we have very strong traditions for openess in Norway and that there is no classified stuff involved here, I cannot see this NOT being a huge public trial, propably several as he will surely appeal all the way to our Supreme Court. Exactly what I was thinking. Also, look at the pictures that has emerged from him. They look very much done to look like a hero picture. The poses, the side lighting and so on. Looks very planned. He is going to use the trial as a way to spread his fundamentalist views. | ||
marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On July 23 2011 19:32 Broxxi wrote: None by norwegian media at least. People connect gaming culture with shitty sleep routines, but not killing people over here. Yeah, I've read a couple really frustratingly bad articles that stereotype all gamers as fat no-lifers that sit in a dark room with a hoodie 24/7. But of course, this is more serious than that. | ||
Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
I think the better question should be, what was he planning to do with the bomb at the island and how the f*** did it get there? I've not seen anything about this yet in the least... | ||
TheSilverfox
Sweden1928 Posts
On July 23 2011 19:33 Ryndika wrote: Why didn't this guy make suicide? What was his motives? My pure speculation is that everything that we've seen is that he wants attention and wants his views to get out. He created the perfect Facebook Profile and a Twitter account to have a good pictures of himself brought out to the news. He is pretty political and hates the ruling party and called the people at Utoya for "Stoltenberg Jugend" before in posts online. I have a feeling he's a psycho who will say some serious crazy political stuff at the trial. | ||
Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
On July 23 2011 19:31 larssto wrote: Norwegain here - shocked and saddened as all of us are... My fear is that we have only seen the beginning of this. The amount of careful planning that seem to have been involved by this douchebag leads me to think that one his main motivations for all of this has been to get attention - serious attention. The recently created Facebook and Twitter profiles, his very articulate posts on the right-wing online forum, the fact that he surrendered rather than suicide - all this lead me to think that this guy has already planned his trial statements. I fear that he will use a trial as pulpit for his own messed-up version of what's going on in world, and that he hopes to become some kind of hero/martyr to people who share his views on the world. Considering that we have very strong traditions for openess in Norway and that there is no classified stuff involved here, I cannot see this NOT being a huge public trial, propably several as he will surely appeal all the way to our Supreme Court. Just to give an indication of how small-scale Norway is. The scumbag's appartment is next door to a good friend of mine, where I have spent a lot time... Finally I would like to say that I am, so far, impressed with how our political leadership has handled this. I also hope that we as a society can overcome this without succumbing to fear and paranoia. It's past noon here now, so I guess it's ok to get a drink - I sure as hell need one. Great post - it's going to be testing times in Norway. For instance, may Norwegians will be outraged and this can lead to a very political situation - exactly what the killer wants. The same situation in America - the terrorist threat have made a very free country become paranoid. The danger is Norway sacrifices part of its identity to deal with this situation (i.e. calling for the death penalty, etc). I say this as a fairly right-wing person. | ||
WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
On July 23 2011 19:09 Typhus wrote: Ok. I just translated the other survivor's tale going about. Teary eyed as hell right now. This is strong stuff. Hopefully i could keep the tone of post in my translation. + Show Spoiler + I've woken up. I can't sleep anymore. i'm sitting in the living room. Feeling sorrow, anger, happiness, God i dont know what. It's just too many emotions, too many thoughts. I'm scared. I react to even the smallest sound. I'll now write about what happened at Utøya. Hva my eyes saw, what i felt, what i did. the words come straight from the hear, but i will keep out the names out of respect for my friends. We had a crisis meeting in the main building after the explosions in Oslo. Afterwards there was a meeting for the members from the Oslo-area. After the meetings many, many of us were in and around the main building. Vi took comfort in the fact that we were safe on an island. No one knew hell would break loose here as well. I was in the main hall when panic broke loose. I heard shots. I saw him firing. Everybody started running. My first thought was: "Why are the police shooting at us? What the hell?!" I ran into the small gathering room. People were running. Screaming. I was scared. I got into one of the rooms at the back of the building. We were many there. We were all laying on the floor. we hear more shots. Got more scared. I cried. I didn't understand anything. I saw my best friend through the window and wondered if I should go out to get him in. I didn't have time. I saw the fear in his eyes. We remained on the floor for several minutes. We agreed to not let anyone else in for fear of the killer. We heard more shots and decided to jump out the window. I was the last one and though: "I'm the last on out the window. I'm gonna die now. Im sure, but it's propably allright, at least i'll know the others are safe". I threw my bag out the window. Tried climbing down, but lost my grip. I landed hard on my left side. A boy helped me up. We ran into the woods. I looked around. "Is he here? Is he shooting at me? Does he see me?" A girl had broken her ankle. Another one was badly wounded. I tried to help before i headed for the water. I took cover behind some kind of brick wall. We were many. I prayed, prayed, prayed. I hoped that God was watching. I called my mom and told her we might not meet again, but that i would do everything to survive. I could hear the fear in her voice. Shed cried. It hust. I sent my dad a text, told him i loved him. I sent a text to another loved one. We kept in contact. I sent my best friend a text. He didn't answer. We heard more shots. Crept together. Did anything we could to stay warm. So many thoughts. I was scared. My dad called. I cried and told him i loved him. He said he was on his way with my brother to receive me when i got ashore or they got to the island. So many emotions, and so many thoughts. I prayed with all my heart. Some time passed. The others called their parents. Eventually we all started texting fearing the kille would hear us. I was thinking about my sister, who was away on vacation. How would i tell here how i was? what was happening to me? I updated twitter and facebook saying i was alive and "safe" for the time being. I wrote i was waiting for the police. People were jumping into the water and started swimming. I remained still. I decided i would play dead if he came. I wouldn't run or swim. I can't describe the fear, my thoughts or my emotions. A man came. "I'm from the police". I kept still. Some yelled that he needed to prove it. I can't remember exactly what they said, but the killer started shooting. He reloaded. Fired some more. He shot those around med. I kept still thinking "It's over. He's here. He's going to take me. I'll die." People screamed. I heard others being shot. Others jumped in the water. I kept still. Phone in hand. I lay on top of the legs of a girl. Two others were lying over my legs. I remained still. Texts were coming in. My cell rang several times. I kept playing dead I acted dead for at least an hour. I carefully turned my head, looking for suvivors. I saw bodies. I saw blood. Fear. I decided to get up. I had been lying on a dead body. Two dead bodies had been lying on me. I had a guardian angel. I didn't know if he would come back. I didn't have the courage to look at who had called or texted me. I ran for the water. took of my sweater. It was big. I thought it would be hard to swim with it. I considered taking my cell or letting it lay. I put it in my back pocket and went in. I saw several others in the water. They had swam far. Some had gathered around some kind of floating device, it looked like an inflatable boat. Loads of boats were picking up swimmers. I swam, swam and swam towards the floating thing. i screamed. Cried. Got cold. Thought about when i would drown. It got heavier and heavier. I prayed. I kept going. My arms were spent. I kept going on my back using only my legs. I started sinking. Went back to normal swimming. For a while i thought the inflatable boat was moving away from me. I screamed. Begged them to wait for me. I must have been seeing things. I swam some hundred metesrs before i reached it. We talked some. Told each other our names, were we came from. WHen the boats went past we screamed for help, but they picked up the swimmers first. A man in a boat came to us. he threw out life vests. I got one. Got it on me. I held on to the rubber boat until the same man came back and picked us up. Everyone got aboard. He started heading for shore. After a while the small boat started taking in water. I did everything i could to get it out, using a bucket. I got tired. A girl in the boat took over. We came to shore. We got blankets. Tears were building. I cried more. A woman hugged me. It felt so good. I was crying loudly. Sobbing. A man lent me his phone. I called my dad: "I'm alive. I made it. Im safe" I hung up. Cried more. We had to walk a while. Strangers took us in their cars and drove us to Sundvolden Hotell. I ran in to look for my best friend. I couldn't see him anywhere. I saw a female friend. I cried. We hugged for a long time. It felt good. I walked aoround, looking for friends. My heart was beating hard. I was still crying. I registered at the Police. Looked through the lists. I didn't if my best friend was a live. Couldn't find his name anywhere. I was scared. Someone gave me a blanket. Took off my wet socks. I was half naked. Someone gave me a coat. I tried to get myself together. Contacted my parents again. Dad and my big brother were on the way to get me. I drank some cocoa. Sat down. Thinking. Crying. I saw more of my friends. hugged them. Cried. Someone lent me a computer. I updated facebook and twitter again that I was safe. I was at the hotel for several hours before my family came. Looking for friends. Talked to a Priest. Told him what i'd seen. It was a good conversation. A paramedic looked at my wounds. Cleaned them. Time went. I was with some of my friends. everyone was talking about the same. How we had survived. What had happened. I asked several if they'd seen my best friends. Noone had. I was scared. thought it was my fault cause we hadn't stuck together. A friend got the key to a hotelroom. We sat there watching the news. Anger, sorrow, so many emotions going through us. My dad called, they had arrived. I took the elevator down. tan out to them. Hugged my brother and my dead for a long time. I cried. My brother cried. It was a good moment. I saw someone looking like my best friend. Shouted his name. He turned. It was him. We hugged for a long time. both of us crying we asked how we'd made it. After a while i registered abain and we drove home. Some others got a lift from us. My best friend came home with us. His brother was there with his best friend. People were gathered at my house. They wouldn't leave until they knew we were okay. We talked. I drank a glass of juice. Ate a Yoghurt. Talked with my mom and my family. Called my best female friend. It was a good call. She said: "I wasn't sure i would ever get this phone call." tears were welling up. We talked for a while. Afterwards i went to bed. It was three o'clock. Mom refused to let me sleep alone, so we slept together. Some hours have passe. Im still in shock. It still hasnt sunk in. I've seen the bodies of my friends. Several friends are still missing. I'm happy i can swim. Happy to be alive. That God was watching out for me. So many emotions, so man thoughts. I think about the all the people who have lost someone. All the people i have lost. The hell that is and was on the island. This summers most beautiful adventure turned to Norways wors nightmare. source: http://prableen.origo.no/-/bulletin/show/672218_helvete-paa-utoeya This is an extremely horrific thing this young man has gone through, thank you for translating it, it must of been difficult. I couldn't believe how many have been murdered from this one, truly fucked up individual, who targets kids which is completely dreadful and shocking. Just hearing there is a second suspect on British television. | ||
Broxxi
Norway48 Posts
On July 23 2011 19:36 Zarahtra wrote: I think the better question should be, what was he planning to do with the bomb at the island and how the f*** did it get there? I've not seen anything about this yet in the least... The same way he got there I would assume. There hasn't been any info on that to be honest. But if he managed to get there himself with alot of weapons (and maybe even a second shooter) he would manage to get a box of explosives aswell. Boat I guess. | ||
Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
On July 23 2011 19:33 Ryndika wrote: More than likely he wants to announce his views to the whole world and wants to see how Norway crumbles. Which, if people don't go screaming for revenge, won't happen.Why didn't this guy make suicide? What was his motives? | ||
CCow
Germany335 Posts
On July 23 2011 19:22 Sfydjklm wrote: i would generally be very skeptical of eyewitness blogs. they are more often then tnot complete bullshit. Such as the hurricane catrina blog i translated a while back. Or the lesbian girl in damascus What is this then? It was really not hard to check that guys twitter to validate the blog. Instead you post this. Why not check before you post that? There is absolutely no reason to get people to doubt in the blog or anything so I can't see an excuse to try such. | ||
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