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On July 23 2011 17:19 sCfO20 wrote:
What's the point of not executing him? It sort of sounds like he's winning.
A slap on the wrist, then the rest of your life with 2-3 meals a day living in a room that's probably bigger than mine?
No, brother, he deserves just so much worse. I don't think a life sentence in hell would do it. He needs to not exist any longer.
But hey, who am I to say. I hope you all recover from this, and do whatever you think is fair with the scumbag. (you should seriously consider shipping him to a U.S. prison, big bubba and him would get along real well.)
Why treat him different? Norway doesn't need a patriot act, because they actually have a working democracy with all its perks. You should try to live in a country that has FREEDOM and not a government constantly lying and hiding facts from the public. Just because he has killed alot of people doesn't justify that anyone has the right to kill him.
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I'm getting a bit tired of ready all the hateful messages directed towards the perpetrator. It's very rash telling the guy to simply "rot in hell" when he hasn't been proved guilty or had evidence presented against him in court. By jumping to these emotionally provocative paroxysms of rage nobody is doing this massacre any justice, nor are they being very democratic or operating by Western attitudes towards law. It is far more appropriate to discuss the shooting, its circumstances and its consequences. Leave abusive insults against the accused only after he has been sentenced.
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My thoughts and prayers goes out to all you in norway. This is a big tragedy, one that never shall be forgotten.
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what needs to happen is they need to make an example of him. This is a horrific crime and he will get life in a prison with cable food every day good health or executed in the least painful way. but that shouldnt happen. He should be force to endure unimaginable pain for years until he is executed. Any other psycho's wanting do do something similar might think twice if they are tortured for a decade and then executed in a painful manner
On July 23 2011 17:31 Ciraxis wrote:
I'm getting a bit tired of ready all the hateful messages directed towards the perpetrator. It's very rash telling the guy to simply "rot in hell" when he hasn't been proved guilty or had evidence presented against him in court. By jumping to these emotionally provocative paroxysms of rage nobody is doing this massacre any justice, nor are they being very democratic or operating by Western attitudes towards law. It is far more appropriate to discuss the shooting, its circumstances and its consequences. Leave abusive insults against the accused only after he has been sentenced.
are you joking. most of the survivors have id'd the guy. Maybe its about time that people get upset and actually do something to protect thier children
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Could someone please translate and post the press confrence held by the AOF guy just minutes ago. I'm danish and kinda lost track of what he was saying / had said as I tried myself.
It was very touching everything that he said the part that touched me most was the "He took from them their lives but he will never destroy what they believed in!"
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On July 23 2011 17:31 Ciraxis wrote:
I'm getting a bit tired of ready all the hateful messages directed towards the perpetrator. It's very rash telling the guy to simply "rot in hell" when he hasn't been proved guilty or had evidence presented against him in court. By jumping to these emotionally provocative paroxysms of rage nobody is doing this massacre any justice, nor are they being very democratic or operating by Western attitudes towards law. It is far more appropriate to discuss the shooting, its circumstances and its consequences. Leave abusive insults against the accused only after he has been sentenced.
Are you trolling right now?
Eyewitnesses have identified him. The police caught him. He basically admitted to it. What the fuck is the matter with you? Yes, he has the right to a fair trial, but when he basically already says "Hey guys I'm guilty" and just about 100 eyewitnesses can pick him out of a line up, there's really no need to bring forth this stupid argument.
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On July 23 2011 17:33 SuperYo1000 wrote:
what needs to happen is they need to make an example of him. This is a horrific crime and he will get life in a prison with cable food every day good health or executed in the least painful way. but that shouldnt happen. He should be force to endure unimaginable pain for years until he is executed. Any other psycho's wanting do do something similar might think twice if they are tortured for a decade and then executed in a painful manner
People like you don't really think with their head, I guess. Events like this will still happen, but the perpetrators will just kill themselves before being captured.
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On July 23 2011 17:33 SuperYo1000 wrote:
what needs to happen is they need to make an example of him. This is a horrific crime and he will get life in a prison with cable food every day good health or executed in the least painful way. but that shouldnt happen. He should be force to endure unimaginable pain for years until he is executed. Any other psycho's wanting do do something similar might think twice if they are tortured for a decade and then executed in a painful manner
You do realise that judging from the evidence, his end goal with this attack was most likely to pressure the Norwegian government to change its policies to be more right-wing in some way? Changing the prison system to be more of a punishment and less to rehabilitate (even for one person) would be helping to fulfil that.
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So far I'm very impressed by the way Norway is handling this.
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On July 23 2011 17:36 roflpie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 17:33 SuperYo1000 wrote:
what needs to happen is they need to make an example of him. This is a horrific crime and he will get life in a prison with cable food every day good health or executed in the least painful way. but that shouldnt happen. He should be force to endure unimaginable pain for years until he is executed. Any other psycho's wanting do do something similar might think twice if they are tortured for a decade and then executed in a painful manner People like you don't really think with their head, I guess. Events like this will still happen, but the perpetrators will just kill themselves before being captured.
Just a nitpick, but this massacre here seems more politically motivated than most spree killings in the west. A political murderer would most likely be quite happy to be a martyr in order to get his or her message across. I'm agreeing with your basic point - the death penalty is counterproductive here - but for a different reason from the normal suicidal mass killers like Michael Ryan or the Columbine killers.
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On July 23 2011 15:37 ViperaViRuS wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 15:28 Smapz wrote:
He'll live on in a max security prison, probably with better standards then most people in the world, probably for the rest of his life. This may be a biased view being an American, but I fail to see how people from Norway are okay with something like this? He takes away the lives of so many individuals yet he gets to live in better accommodations than a fair amount of people in the world? Simply for the hopes of rehabilitating him in order to one day be released back into society and contribute to society once again? My heart goes out to those directly affected by this.
What do you know about being in prison, for the rest of your life? With your life controlled by security personell aswell as being isolated from the other inmates, since he would otherwvise be killed right away
Its pretty rough to be in that spot, and from what I've heard from a friend of mine who spent time here in Sweden, which is also infamous for comfy prisons, it was a living hell to him.
The norwegiean, and Scandinavian jailing systems are centered around rehabilitation, with the sole idea of turning psychos into people. Whether or not you agree with this idea is highly personal. Some people believe (often directly after something has happened) in swift retribution, but that doesn't erase the terrible atrocity which has been commited.
My thoughts to the people of norway, have been in tears for the whole morning.. 
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On July 23 2011 17:33 SuperYo1000 wrote:what needs to happen is they need to make an example of him. This is a horrific crime and he will get life in a prison with cable food every day good health or executed in the least painful way. but that shouldnt happen. He should be force to endure unimaginable pain for years until he is executed. Any other psycho's wanting do do something similar might think twice if they are tortured for a decade and then executed in a painful manner Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 17:31 Ciraxis wrote:
I'm getting a bit tired of ready all the hateful messages directed towards the perpetrator. It's very rash telling the guy to simply "rot in hell" when he hasn't been proved guilty or had evidence presented against him in court. By jumping to these emotionally provocative paroxysms of rage nobody is doing this massacre any justice, nor are they being very democratic or operating by Western attitudes towards law. It is far more appropriate to discuss the shooting, its circumstances and its consequences. Leave abusive insults against the accused only after he has been sentenced. are you joking. most of the survivors have id'd the guy. Maybe its about time that people get upset and actually do something to protect thier children
Sure, because the prospect of torture, pain and death will evidently scare someone who's somehow mentally able to plan and execute such a killing spree. Get a grip, these people aren't rational, and that's one more reason for dealing with them in a rational, civilized way. You want torture and pain, you want to drop certain standard of humanity to make an example and express your opinion? Swell, you're not better than him, because he's done exactly the same.
There are reasons for laws, and there are reasons that the jurisdiction isn't in the hand of the masses or individual people (like you).
My condolences to everyone involved in this. It's a very sad event. I have to applaud the norwegian government for how they've handled this tragedy so far.
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This is so terrible. May the victims rest in peace and the injured have a healthy recovery.
I have no words for this neither in Swedish nor in English
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My god this is so sad... What the fuck ?
What are his motivation ? I can't seem to understand them... What does it mean that he "likes" anti nazi on facebook ? Did the camp he attacked was some kind of racist camp or what ? Because it say it's the labour party... so I just can't seem to understand.
Well anyway, I think the guy is certainly a bit crazy, you got to to kill so many people.
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I'm so sad to learn that the death toll has been increased so dramatically since yesterday. All my sympathy is with my Norwegian neighbors during this hard time.
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On July 23 2011 17:47 WhiteDog wrote:
My god this is so sad... What the fuck ?
What are his motivation ? I can't seem to understand them... What does it mean that he "likes" anti nazi ? Did the camp he attacked was some kind of racist camp or what ?
Well anyway, I think the guy is certainly a bit crazy, you got to to kill so many people.
Essentially I think it's that he hated his country had been 'ruined' by the change in immigration policy to allow other nationalities/ethnicities to relocate there.
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On July 23 2011 17:33 SuperYo1000 wrote:
what needs to happen is they need to make an example of him. This is a horrific crime and he will get life in a prison with cable food every day good health or executed in the least painful way. but that shouldnt happen. He should be force to endure unimaginable pain for years until he is executed. Any other psycho's wanting do do something similar might think twice if they are tortured for a decade and then executed in a painful manner
A justice system cant make exceptions even if it are horrific crimes like this. Everyone deserves a fair treatment - even a mass murderer like him. Death penalty and torture wouldnt prevent anybody from doing such atrocious things. Texas for example is responsible for a third of USA's executions, but still they have an above average number of murders and rapes. (within the US/percentage-wise)
Killing a criminal to satisfy the desire for revenge of the victims doesnt help anybody, but degrades the state to the same level of the murderer.
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he should be shot in the head.
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On July 23 2011 17:42 Plexa wrote:
So far I'm very impressed by the way Norway is handling this.
So true. Reminds me of how japan dealt with the tsunami-disaster for some reason. They are not willing to change their way of life because of terror, I think many countries could learn a lot from that...
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On July 23 2011 17:47 WhiteDog wrote:
My god this is so sad... What the fuck ?
What are his motivation ? I can't seem to understand them... What does it mean that he "likes" anti nazi ? Did the camp he attacked was some kind of racist camp or what ?
Well anyway, I think the guy is certainly a bit crazy, you got to to kill so many people.
He is only anti-Nazi in the sense that he likes Norwegian national heroes fighting against the occupation, it has nothing to do with racism or other ideals.
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