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Keep your off topic discussions out of this thread and show some damn respect!
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
July 23 2011 07:35 GMT
#201
"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people."

Saying that being conservative is wrong because a conservative killed people is small-minded.
gentile
Profile Joined August 2007
Switzerland594 Posts
July 23 2011 07:36 GMT
#202
I am very sad and still shocked..and angry, scared, more angry all at the same time.
sCfO20
Profile Joined May 2011
176 Posts
July 23 2011 07:37 GMT
#203
WHAT THE FUCK NORWAY?

Life in prison? This guy NEEDS to fry. I don't care if you think it's inhumane or whatever, this man murdered more people than i've met in the last ten years of my life.
maybe
Profile Joined January 2008
258 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-29 00:22:59
July 23 2011 07:38 GMT
#204
what was i thinking

User was warned for this post
uT)WhistleR
Profile Joined May 2006
Sweden95 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 07:38:47
July 23 2011 07:38 GMT
#205
hero marine, ops
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
July 23 2011 07:38 GMT
#206
Despite the horrific circumstances of this event and the suffering it has caused, it is so very admirable that the institutions of Norway (as well as many posters here) seem strongly committed to refusing to let this change their 'way of life' and tightening freedoms etc. These types of attacks create fear and misery and pain, but just how much damage they do - and their lasting impact is always determined by the response of the community that is attacked. Going on the responses from most so far gives the Norwegian people something to be very proud of in a dark time.

The posts on the WoW forum give some interesting context. Obviously nobody can comment too much on the psyche of the individual who carried out the attacks, but from what I have read thus far it seems like a chilling reminder that people who appear completely normal, sane and reasonable can become capable of monstrous acts under the right circumstances.

My sympathies.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
July 23 2011 07:40 GMT
#207
On July 23 2011 16:38 HaXxorIzed wrote:
Despite the horrific circumstances of this event and the suffering it has caused, it is so very admirable that the institutions of Norway (as well as many posters here) seem strongly committed to refusing to let this change their 'way of life' and tightening freedoms etc. These types of attacks create fear and misery and pain, but just how much damage they do - and their lasting impact is always determined by the response of the community that is attacked. Going on the responses from most so far gives the Norwegian people something to be very proud of in a dark time.


It's really too bad the American government didn't react like this after 9/11, the Norweigian government's response is just so mature and composed, if this is typical for this party I can see how they've been in power since WW2.
BasedSwag
Profile Joined April 2010
Algeria418 Posts
July 23 2011 07:41 GMT
#208
On July 23 2011 16:35 Cassel_Castle wrote:
"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people."

Saying that being conservative is wrong because a conservative killed people is small-minded.


& saying that being Muslim is wrong that a Muslim committed terrorist attacks is small-minded? Yet that's exactly what you're implying.
Hellscum
Profile Joined February 2011
Norway37 Posts
July 23 2011 07:43 GMT
#209
For those wondering if Anders is Fjordrman he most likely isn't. Direct quote from Document.no
2009-12-03 01:21:04

Jeg bruker nå disse midlene til å kunne jobbe fulltid med å videreutvikle/markedsføre Viennaskolen (Vienna school of thought) som Fjordman, Bat Yeor, Spencer + mange andre allerede har bidratt så mye till.

I now use these funds to work fulltime with developing/marketing Viennaskolen(Vienna school of thought, a book of idelogies, anti multicultural and so on) As Fjordman, Bat Yeor, Spencer+alot more already has contributed to.

Earlier in the same post he also says
Jeg er nok mye nyere i gamet enn ham da jeg kun har vært politisk aktiv i 13 år.

I probably am much younger in the game than he(Fjordman) is as i've only been political active for 13 years.

Sorry for the bad translation, i prolly butchered it pretty hard.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 07:45:00
July 23 2011 07:43 GMT
#210
On July 23 2011 16:37 sCfO20 wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK NORWAY?

Life in prison? This guy NEEDS to fry. I don't care if you think it's inhumane or whatever, this man murdered more people than i've met in the last ten years of my life.


Your sense of vengeance and revenge isn't justice. Norway's prison system works. Much better than the prison systems in America and most of the rest of the world. To change their prison system because of one man would mean that man won. I only wish that the prison system of my country was half as good as the prison system of Norway.

On July 23 2011 16:35 Cassel_Castle wrote:
"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people."

Saying that being conservative is wrong because a conservative killed people is small-minded.


There's a difference between being conservative and being a racist nationalist who hates socialists enough to kill their children. Calling this guy a conservative is an understatement.
esperanto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany357 Posts
July 23 2011 07:47 GMT
#211
People from US please try to understand that its just not about "eye for an eye" in most european legal systems, as much as I'd love to have it in situations like this. But it wouldnt help anyone and to have a discussion about this now only pours more attention to this fuckin moron of shooter.

Whats important now are the victims and their families and its important to take wise actions that prevent such actions in the futur without cutting the freedom and norway "way of life".
Whalecore
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway1111 Posts
July 23 2011 07:47 GMT
#212
This is so fucked up.

Our responsibility now is to make sure that these kids didn't die for nothing. These kids were political interested, they actually cared about shit. The camp is a symbol of democracy and political freedom.

The man who did this. I don't quite understand his motives. He made martyrs of 80+ people. It is probably too early to bring up political consequences, but it's quite possible that this event will just strengthen Arbeiderpartiet (the Labour party) at the next election.

In other words: He is a complete total failure, no matter what political views you have. He will only be viewed as a cold-blooded murderer, his political views are completely irrelevant.

My thoughts go out to all who have lost relatives or friends in this horrible event.
Playgu
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
July 23 2011 07:48 GMT
#213
I can't help but believe that if the PM was indeed at Utoya this tragedy wouldn't have gotten as far.

500m in freezing cold water from the island to shore and stuck on a tiny island with nowhere to hide is just a disturbing thought. Along with that, the picture of the one person pleading for his life moments before he's shot just chilled my blood, even more so than the numbers of dead that were there.

Stay strong Norway.
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
July 23 2011 07:48 GMT
#214
Only thing left hope for is that Norway doesnt turn into post 9/11-US.
I mean it looks like he did this out of hate for current Norway with its mulitcultural society. Dont turn into a culture of distrust. Keep being open-minded.
Yes he killed close to 100 people, but judging from current informationhis goal behind might be to change Norway for worse. If he sees he didnt achieve this, this might very well be his worst punishment.
Yuljan
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
2196 Posts
July 23 2011 07:51 GMT
#215
On July 23 2011 16:35 Slakter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 16:32 Cassel_Castle wrote:
On July 23 2011 16:31 Slakter wrote:
On July 23 2011 16:28 Cassel_Castle wrote:
On July 23 2011 16:26 KlaCkoN wrote:
On July 23 2011 16:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:
On July 23 2011 16:13 Adeny wrote:
I started translating some of his comments from the link mentioned, but it's all just a bunch of pseduo-intellectual banter about multiculturalism, citing japan and south korea as examples. He doesn't like anyone, despises all ideologies from what I can gather, all religion and so on. This quote is worth translating though

Problemet er at det ofte ikke hjelper om 80% av Muslimer er såkalte "moderate", dvs at de ignorerer Koranen. "Det kreves veldig få personer for å styrte et fly".

The problem is that it doesn't matter if 80% of muslims are so-called "moderates", i.e. they ignore the quran. "Crashing a plane only requires a few people".

I don't know what to make of this....


Hopefully people will be intelligent enough to realize that there's nothing wrong with those ideas and that lots of people hold them and don't gun down kids.

"It doesn't matter if 80% of christians are so called moderates, it only takes one person to perform a masacre." -> Ban religion?
I dunnu but I think this tragedy shows pretty much exactly what's wrong with those ideas.
80 teenagers, I can't even get my head around that


Christianity is bad but he didn't do this because he's Christian, he did this for nationalistic reasons. If this guy started a religion based around killing non-nationalists but 80% of the followers were moderates wouldn't you be against that religion?


Dont even try saying that the people who flew into the WTC did it because of religion, because that is complete bullshit. Also, it has nothing to do with this discussion.


You can't just dismiss a commonly accepted truth and call it complete bullshit with no proof.


The accepted truth is that they flew a plane into a building since they were fucked up people who lived in a fucked up place. If that fucked up place was for instance Hindu they would still do it. Has nothing to do with the religion, is all about the living conditions of the people who did it.


well since 2 (iirc) of them lived in germany I am a little insulted you call it a fucked up place. My condolences to all norwegians. One of the most tragic events in recent times and shooting little kids can never be excused. I will never understand what these people hope to achieve with their terrorism.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 07:52:43
July 23 2011 07:51 GMT
#216


I don't know if I can agree with the Norwegian punishment system, but I do respect that they won't waver from one big terror incident. That is admirable.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
sureshot_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 07:55:24
July 23 2011 07:54 GMT
#217
On July 23 2011 16:40 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 16:38 HaXxorIzed wrote:
Despite the horrific circumstances of this event and the suffering it has caused, it is so very admirable that the institutions of Norway (as well as many posters here) seem strongly committed to refusing to let this change their 'way of life' and tightening freedoms etc. These types of attacks create fear and misery and pain, but just how much damage they do - and their lasting impact is always determined by the response of the community that is attacked. Going on the responses from most so far gives the Norwegian people something to be very proud of in a dark time.


It's really too bad the American government didn't react like this after 9/11, the Norweigian government's response is just so mature and composed, if this is typical for this party I can see how they've been in power since WW2.


Don't compare this shooting to 9/11, ever. More than 3000 people died within two hours in the United States. In Norway approximately 80 people have died over the course of this single mans very few hours of rampage. If you're going to compare United State's catastrophes with this event then compare it to the Oklahoma City Bombing.

Back on topic: After reading this woman's blog post I am absolutely disgusted at what this man has done. Words can't describe how sickening this is. Blowing up a government block is one thing, but to be so deranged as to personally gun down individual human beings is so insane I can't wrap my head around it. Rot in hell.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 07:58:19
July 23 2011 07:55 GMT
#218
Europe's big on Enlightenment ideas, not vengeance. The reason why prison exists is to keep society safe, not to avenge crimes, according to the general line of thought there. I think.

I'm pretty sure a system like that is more likely to reform criminals. Not like the US system, which creates criminals in prison...no data, though.

Noway certainly has very low homicide rates and low recurrent crime rates. Whatever works.
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
July 23 2011 07:56 GMT
#219
To all talking about norwegian: Stop seeing just the prison cells. Go check for crime and homicide numbers in Norway. Then come back and blame this system again.
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
July 23 2011 07:58 GMT
#220
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