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On July 23 2011 16:13 Adeny wrote:I started translating some of his comments from the link mentioned, but it's all just a bunch of pseduo-intellectual banter about multiculturalism, citing japan and south korea as examples. He doesn't like anyone, despises all ideologies from what I can gather, all religion and so on. This quote is worth translating though Show nested quote + Problemet er at det ofte ikke hjelper om 80% av Muslimer er såkalte "moderate", dvs at de ignorerer Koranen. "Det kreves veldig få personer for å styrte et fly". The problem is that it doesn't matter if 80% of muslims are so-called "moderates", i.e. they ignore the quran. "Crashing a plane only requires a few people". I don't know what to make of this....
Hopefully people will be intelligent enough to realize that there's nothing wrong with those ideas and that lots of people hold them and don't gun down kids.
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It's times like these that I wish words could get my emotions across. Speechless. Absolutely speechless.
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On July 23 2011 15:45 r.Evo wrote:In case some norwegian-speaking people want to take a look at this and post some tl;dr version: http://www.document.no/anders-behring-breivik/ - a summary of his posts on a supposedly anti-muslemic website. What's that site exactly and what type of things does he say there?
He's just expressing his opinions that basically boil down to people believing in the current system are stupid, and an open culture has never done anything for anyone. I translated two of his comments that I feel represents fairly well the type of message he is sending on that site (first on multiculturalism, the second comparing muslims with nazis). If you want more translate.google.com does a remarkably good job at translating Norwegian->English.
"Lasse Moer,
Japan and South Korea are much clearer examples of developed countries that consistently and very directly fought against multiculturalism. This manifested itself in the 70s, 80s, 90s and this manifests itself to this day.
The UN has for years been trying to get them them to receive hundreds of thousands of refugees but the number finally settled on 1/1000 of the original requirement. Europe has never chosen to do psychological and economic warfare against them for this reason (as they do to European nations / individuals who espouse the same arguments and principles)
Multiculturalists will be very embarrassed if you mention Japan and South Korea as these nations proves quite obviously that mass immigration is only a result of specific Marxist doctrines, and is very rarely economically or culturally favorable. Japan / South Korea has a border and border guards. If one lacks the visa one is denied passage ... (Europe had this system before 1950-1960)
The interesting question then becomes; why are the Japanese and South Korean people not demonized as the Nazis and fascists? The answer, we know ..."
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"The problem is that it often does not help if 80% of Muslims are "moderate", ie they ignore the Quran. "It takes very few people to overthrow a plane."
What percentage is the Taliban of Pakistan's population? 1%, 3%, 5%? And how much chaos is there today?
In every society where Islam exists there will be a certain percentage of the Muslims who actually follow the traditional interpretations of the Quran
And then we have the ratio between conservative Muslims and so-called "moderate Muslims".
There are moderate Nazis, too, that does not support gassing of Rome [TN: Not sure if this is correct, seems an odd statement] and Jews. But they're still Nazis and will only sit and watch as the conservatives Nazis strike (if it ever happens). Should we accept moderate Nazis as long as they distance themselves from the gassing of Rome and Jews?
Now it has unfortunately become involved with Marxists who have already infiltrated our culture, media and educational organizations. These individuals are tolerated and will even be offered work as professors and lecturers at "høyskoler" / universities and are thus able to spread their propaganda.
For me it is very hypocritical to treat Muslims, Nazis and Marxists differently. They are all supporters of hate-based ideologies. Not all Muslims, Nazis and Marxists are conservative, most are moderate. But does it matter? A moderate Nazi might, after having been cheated, choose to be conservative. A moderate Muslim can, after being refused to enter a club, become conservative, etc.
It is obvious that the moderate supporters of hate-based ideologies, at some later time may become conservative.
Islamism has historically led to 300 million deaths
Communism has historically led to 100 million deaths
Nazism has historically led to 6-20 million deaths
ALL hate-based ideologies should be treated equally."
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It breaks my heart thinking about the 80+ kids that was killed at Utøya.
My love goes out to the families and friends of all the kids that experienced what happend out there.
And thank you to all you wonderful members of team liquid for your support
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My heart and prayers go out to all the victims' family and the entire nation of Norway.
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"Anybody want to give a guess about who is behind the bombs in Norway?"
Answer:
"My guess: Islamists. Note: Not muslims like you think but islamists as in fundamentalist and radical morons."
Counter answer from Kent again:
"Haha, I love your pathetic tries at excuses."
Swedish Politician speaking out before it was known to be a native norwegian behind the gun.
This guy is a well known anti muslim politician, in a party with a clear anti muslim agenda.
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91 people killed on Utøya.
And raising.
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I don't know what to say. This is horrible beyond imagination. These were children. This is so bad. This world is so fucked up.
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On July 23 2011 14:36 On_Slaught wrote:
I'm also curious how the arrest happened.
Did he run out of ammo?
Did he just surrender?
Was he tackled by security?
Why didn't they shoot him if he had a gun shooting wildly?
etc.
So far the police confirms that it was a quick reaction force by the police that captured him. No officers were harmed during the arrest. No comments except for this.
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On July 23 2011 16:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 16:13 Adeny wrote:I started translating some of his comments from the link mentioned, but it's all just a bunch of pseduo-intellectual banter about multiculturalism, citing japan and south korea as examples. He doesn't like anyone, despises all ideologies from what I can gather, all religion and so on. This quote is worth translating though Problemet er at det ofte ikke hjelper om 80% av Muslimer er såkalte "moderate", dvs at de ignorerer Koranen. "Det kreves veldig få personer for å styrte et fly". The problem is that it doesn't matter if 80% of muslims are so-called "moderates", i.e. they ignore the quran. "Crashing a plane only requires a few people". I don't know what to make of this.... Hopefully people will be intelligent enough to realize that there's nothing wrong with those ideas and that lots of people hold them and don't gun down kids.
"It doesn't matter if 80% of christians are so called moderates, it only takes one person to perform a masacre." -> Ban religion?
I dunnu but I think this tragedy shows pretty much exactly what's wrong with those ideas.
80 teenagers, I can't even get my head around that 
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If that's truly his WoW account then I'm shocked - I read his posts in that thread and he seemed a very normal person and quite articulate as well. It's all very surprising since the people who usually do such things will appear extremely extremist and spout a lot of hate in their posts. It'll be scary amongst his WoW-friends to think that they played with such a lunatic.
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On July 23 2011 16:26 KlaCkoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 16:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:On July 23 2011 16:13 Adeny wrote:I started translating some of his comments from the link mentioned, but it's all just a bunch of pseduo-intellectual banter about multiculturalism, citing japan and south korea as examples. He doesn't like anyone, despises all ideologies from what I can gather, all religion and so on. This quote is worth translating though Problemet er at det ofte ikke hjelper om 80% av Muslimer er såkalte "moderate", dvs at de ignorerer Koranen. "Det kreves veldig få personer for å styrte et fly". The problem is that it doesn't matter if 80% of muslims are so-called "moderates", i.e. they ignore the quran. "Crashing a plane only requires a few people". I don't know what to make of this.... Hopefully people will be intelligent enough to realize that there's nothing wrong with those ideas and that lots of people hold them and don't gun down kids. "It doesn't matter if 80% of christians are so called moderates, it only takes one person to perform a masacre." -> Ban religion? I dunnu but I think this tragedy shows pretty much exactly what's wrong with those ideas. 80 teenagers, I can't even get my head around that
Christianity is bad but he didn't do this because he's Christian, he did this for nationalistic reasons. If this guy started a religion based around killing non-nationalists but 80% of the followers were moderates wouldn't you be against that religion?
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This is so monstrous words don't cover it. I share your suffering, Norway.
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they just said on the news that max sentence for terror acts is 21years in prison
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On July 23 2011 16:28 Cassel_Castle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 16:26 KlaCkoN wrote:On July 23 2011 16:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:On July 23 2011 16:13 Adeny wrote:I started translating some of his comments from the link mentioned, but it's all just a bunch of pseduo-intellectual banter about multiculturalism, citing japan and south korea as examples. He doesn't like anyone, despises all ideologies from what I can gather, all religion and so on. This quote is worth translating though Problemet er at det ofte ikke hjelper om 80% av Muslimer er såkalte "moderate", dvs at de ignorerer Koranen. "Det kreves veldig få personer for å styrte et fly". The problem is that it doesn't matter if 80% of muslims are so-called "moderates", i.e. they ignore the quran. "Crashing a plane only requires a few people". I don't know what to make of this.... Hopefully people will be intelligent enough to realize that there's nothing wrong with those ideas and that lots of people hold them and don't gun down kids. "It doesn't matter if 80% of christians are so called moderates, it only takes one person to perform a masacre." -> Ban religion? I dunnu but I think this tragedy shows pretty much exactly what's wrong with those ideas. 80 teenagers, I can't even get my head around that Christianity is bad but he didn't do this because he's Christian, he did this for nationalistic reasons. If this guy started a religion based around killing non-nationalists but 80% of the followers were moderates wouldn't you be against that religion?
Dont even try saying that the people who flew into the WTC did it because of religion, because that is complete bullshit. Also, it has nothing to do with this discussion.
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On July 23 2011 16:31 Slakter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 16:28 Cassel_Castle wrote:On July 23 2011 16:26 KlaCkoN wrote:On July 23 2011 16:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:On July 23 2011 16:13 Adeny wrote:I started translating some of his comments from the link mentioned, but it's all just a bunch of pseduo-intellectual banter about multiculturalism, citing japan and south korea as examples. He doesn't like anyone, despises all ideologies from what I can gather, all religion and so on. This quote is worth translating though Problemet er at det ofte ikke hjelper om 80% av Muslimer er såkalte "moderate", dvs at de ignorerer Koranen. "Det kreves veldig få personer for å styrte et fly". The problem is that it doesn't matter if 80% of muslims are so-called "moderates", i.e. they ignore the quran. "Crashing a plane only requires a few people". I don't know what to make of this.... Hopefully people will be intelligent enough to realize that there's nothing wrong with those ideas and that lots of people hold them and don't gun down kids. "It doesn't matter if 80% of christians are so called moderates, it only takes one person to perform a masacre." -> Ban religion? I dunnu but I think this tragedy shows pretty much exactly what's wrong with those ideas. 80 teenagers, I can't even get my head around that Christianity is bad but he didn't do this because he's Christian, he did this for nationalistic reasons. If this guy started a religion based around killing non-nationalists but 80% of the followers were moderates wouldn't you be against that religion? Dont even try saying that the people who flew into the WTC did it because of religion, because that is complete bullshit. Also, it has nothing to do with this discussion.
You can't just dismiss a commonly accepted truth and call it complete bullshit with no proof.
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On July 23 2011 16:28 Cassel_Castle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 16:26 KlaCkoN wrote:On July 23 2011 16:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:On July 23 2011 16:13 Adeny wrote:I started translating some of his comments from the link mentioned, but it's all just a bunch of pseduo-intellectual banter about multiculturalism, citing japan and south korea as examples. He doesn't like anyone, despises all ideologies from what I can gather, all religion and so on. This quote is worth translating though Problemet er at det ofte ikke hjelper om 80% av Muslimer er såkalte "moderate", dvs at de ignorerer Koranen. "Det kreves veldig få personer for å styrte et fly". The problem is that it doesn't matter if 80% of muslims are so-called "moderates", i.e. they ignore the quran. "Crashing a plane only requires a few people". I don't know what to make of this.... Hopefully people will be intelligent enough to realize that there's nothing wrong with those ideas and that lots of people hold them and don't gun down kids. "It doesn't matter if 80% of christians are so called moderates, it only takes one person to perform a masacre." -> Ban religion? I dunnu but I think this tragedy shows pretty much exactly what's wrong with those ideas. 80 teenagers, I can't even get my head around that Christianity is bad but he didn't do this because he's Christian, he did this for nationalistic reasons. If this guy started a religion based around killing non-nationalists but 80% of the followers were moderates wouldn't you be against that religion?
Replace christianity with patriot or anti immigrant in my post then?
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On July 23 2011 16:32 Cassel_Castle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 16:31 Slakter wrote:On July 23 2011 16:28 Cassel_Castle wrote:On July 23 2011 16:26 KlaCkoN wrote:On July 23 2011 16:18 Cassel_Castle wrote:On July 23 2011 16:13 Adeny wrote:I started translating some of his comments from the link mentioned, but it's all just a bunch of pseduo-intellectual banter about multiculturalism, citing japan and south korea as examples. He doesn't like anyone, despises all ideologies from what I can gather, all religion and so on. This quote is worth translating though Problemet er at det ofte ikke hjelper om 80% av Muslimer er såkalte "moderate", dvs at de ignorerer Koranen. "Det kreves veldig få personer for å styrte et fly". The problem is that it doesn't matter if 80% of muslims are so-called "moderates", i.e. they ignore the quran. "Crashing a plane only requires a few people". I don't know what to make of this.... Hopefully people will be intelligent enough to realize that there's nothing wrong with those ideas and that lots of people hold them and don't gun down kids. "It doesn't matter if 80% of christians are so called moderates, it only takes one person to perform a masacre." -> Ban religion? I dunnu but I think this tragedy shows pretty much exactly what's wrong with those ideas. 80 teenagers, I can't even get my head around that Christianity is bad but he didn't do this because he's Christian, he did this for nationalistic reasons. If this guy started a religion based around killing non-nationalists but 80% of the followers were moderates wouldn't you be against that religion? Dont even try saying that the people who flew into the WTC did it because of religion, because that is complete bullshit. Also, it has nothing to do with this discussion. You can't just dismiss a commonly accepted truth and call it complete bullshit with no proof.
The accepted truth is that they flew a plane into a building since they were fucked up people who lived in a fucked up place. If that fucked up place was for instance Hindu they would still do it. Has nothing to do with the religion, is all about the living conditions of the people who did it.
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