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On July 25 2011 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. And piss on our justice system? No thanks sir. This guy is a monster and deserves a monster's treatment.
Well actually, I'm pretty sure, that he is human and as long as I don't have any evidence that he can be put into any defined category of the term "monster", I think I still believe that he is human.
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On July 25 2011 23:46 Zetter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. And piss on our justice system? No thanks sir. This guy is a monster and deserves a monster's treatment. Well actually, I'm pretty sure, that he is human and as long as I don't have any evidence that he can be put into any defined category of the term "monster", I think I still believe that he is human.
Yes, lets all get out hand together, get in circle and play word games....
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On July 25 2011 23:43 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:41 IMLegend wrote:On July 25 2011 23:38 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:02 Sandermatt wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. What would this achieve, satisfy some revenge instincts? I can understand the desire for it still acting barbarian yourself will not undo what he did. What he did cannot be undone. Just lock him away so that he isn't a danger to anyone anymore. Maybe as a warning to any future crazy person that feels he needs to make a "hero" of himself for one cause or another? Yeah, i'm sure the death penalty as a warning works brilliantly. Thank god America, China and so on have been crimefree for the past 50 years. Maybe read my post again, I said death penalty would be too easy for him. I am sure he is not ready for torture, nobody is.
I believe people thought of it as some poor attempt at humor.
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On July 25 2011 23:47 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:46 Zetter wrote:On July 25 2011 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. And piss on our justice system? No thanks sir. This guy is a monster and deserves a monster's treatment. Well actually, I'm pretty sure, that he is human and as long as I don't have any evidence that he can be put into any defined category of the term "monster", I think I still believe that he is human. Yes, lets all get out hand together, get in circle and play word games....
I don't see sense in "getting the fuck out" at least for myself, considering that I brought valid argumentation into a discussion thread and from my experience discussion threads are used for valid argumentation
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Ok, after your edit my post actually doesn't make sense anymore. Still I think logical arguments are needed to break a logical chain.
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On July 25 2011 23:52 Zetter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:47 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:46 Zetter wrote:On July 25 2011 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. And piss on our justice system? No thanks sir. This guy is a monster and deserves a monster's treatment. Well actually, I'm pretty sure, that he is human and as long as I don't have any evidence that he can be put into any defined category of the term "monster", I think I still believe that he is human. Yes, lets all get out hand together, get in circle and play word games.... I don't see sense in "getting the fuck out" at least for myself, considering that I brought valid argumentation into a discussion thread and from my experience discussion threads are used for valid argumentation Edit: Ok, after your edit my post actually doesn't make sense anymore. Still I think logical arguments are needed to break a logical chain.
Then come back with a logical post.
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On July 25 2011 23:57 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:52 Zetter wrote:On July 25 2011 23:47 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:46 Zetter wrote:On July 25 2011 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. And piss on our justice system? No thanks sir. This guy is a monster and deserves a monster's treatment. Well actually, I'm pretty sure, that he is human and as long as I don't have any evidence that he can be put into any defined category of the term "monster", I think I still believe that he is human. Yes, lets all get out hand together, get in circle and play word games.... I don't see sense in "getting the fuck out" at least for myself, considering that I brought valid argumentation into a discussion thread and from my experience discussion threads are used for valid argumentation Edit: Ok, after your edit my post actually doesn't make sense anymore. Still I think logical arguments are needed to break a logical chain. Then come back with a logical post.
I most definitely would, if you could show me where my post wasn't logical.
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On July 25 2011 23:43 GLLvz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. And piss on our justice system? No thanks sir. 21 years of prison as I read it in this thread... Not sure if word justice applies here. Read again, there's also something called forvaring, he will also be deemed a sicko and will never see the light again. the justice system has worked sofar. and i really doubt it will fail, eather way the guy is dead eather in prison or before hes sentenced. the guy that kills him is going to be called a national hero, end of story.
He might be called a national hero by the public(atleast some of them). But he will still go to jail for 10+ years.
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On July 25 2011 16:27 Eurekastreet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 09:49 ThePhan2m wrote:On July 25 2011 09:34 qwaykee wrote:
i don't understand why you are discussing whether he is a christian or not. does it really matter? the guy murdered 90+ people and that's what you're worried about. please fill me in on what i seem to not understand.
religion/christianity in norway is a joke anyways I think it is important to correct miss information and understandings of such a brutal psychotic killer. Also, I consider myself a fundamentalist Christian, and It's just wrong to bring him into the same category. It's like someone stating they are in the same family as you, and others accepting it as true. You would of course try to correct those who believe so with "I've never know this man, He doesn't have the same blood as me at all" Yes, except that no one chooses their family so the parallel is not that good. It's like saying he had blond hair, you have blond hair, and you feel bed being in the same category. No one would think like that anyway (or if they do, they got a problem...) Religion however, like politics, is a mental construct and (most of the time) a personal choice. No one puts you in the same category as him, but that doesn't mean that fundamentalist christian ideas weren't in his mind, that he wasn't part of that group, and that his religion wasn't part of the reason why he acted like he did. If we can't discuss his religious background because some people will be hurt and pretend "he was not really part of my religious community so you can't discuss it", passed the fact that you can't decide if he was a fundamentalist Christian (only "God" can I guess), then we can't discuss his political ideas either because many people will be hurt too, and so on and so on...and then we're left with nothing to discuss about because he probably got at least one thing in common with pretty much all of us. His religion probably had more influence on his "politics" than his choice of computer games, or his favourite color, so it seems to me that it should be discussed. I am not saying it did influence him (I can't prove it), but religion seemed to be a recurrent topic in his speech/iconography so it's gotta be discussed for now...
Considering his relationship to God in his written letters, it seems that was pretty much non-existent. How can you put him in the same category as people how everyday, live and breath this very essence of spending time in prayer with God? He prayed once, he never quotes anything from the bible, or Jesus or anything. And then he gets the name of a fundamental Christian. His actions were clearly more on the political agenda, than any religious agenda, though he had his own personal view on what Christianity is, which is completely biased.
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I'm rather late to this thread. However my prayers go out to all the affected families.
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On July 25 2011 23:57 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:52 Zetter wrote:On July 25 2011 23:47 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:46 Zetter wrote:On July 25 2011 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. And piss on our justice system? No thanks sir. This guy is a monster and deserves a monster's treatment. Well actually, I'm pretty sure, that he is human and as long as I don't have any evidence that he can be put into any defined category of the term "monster", I think I still believe that he is human. Yes, lets all get out hand together, get in circle and play word games.... I don't see sense in "getting the fuck out" at least for myself, considering that I brought valid argumentation into a discussion thread and from my experience discussion threads are used for valid argumentation Edit: Ok, after your edit my post actually doesn't make sense anymore. Still I think logical arguments are needed to break a logical chain. Then come back with a logical post.
Be happy he replied to your nonsense post at all. Personally I didn't find a post calling for torture worthy of a reply but Zetter seems to be more patient than I am.
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Only 68 killed from utøya is the latest numbers, its still not 100% accurate but alot better than 86 
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On July 26 2011 00:00 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:43 GLLvz wrote:On July 25 2011 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. And piss on our justice system? No thanks sir. 21 years of prison as I read it in this thread... Not sure if word justice applies here. Read again, there's also something called forvaring, he will also be deemed a sicko and will never see the light again. the justice system has worked sofar. and i really doubt it will fail, eather way the guy is dead eather in prison or before hes sentenced. the guy that kills him is going to be called a national hero, end of story. He might be called a national hero by the public(atleast some of them). But he will still go to jail for 10+ years.
are you sentenced by a jury in norway? i dont believe you can find a bunch of people that would actually put in jail such a "hero" lol.
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On July 26 2011 00:04 Toxi78 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 00:00 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 23:43 GLLvz wrote:On July 25 2011 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. And piss on our justice system? No thanks sir. 21 years of prison as I read it in this thread... Not sure if word justice applies here. Read again, there's also something called forvaring, he will also be deemed a sicko and will never see the light again. the justice system has worked sofar. and i really doubt it will fail, eather way the guy is dead eather in prison or before hes sentenced. the guy that kills him is going to be called a national hero, end of story. He might be called a national hero by the public(atleast some of them). But he will still go to jail for 10+ years. are you sentenced by a jury in norway? i dont believe you can find a bunch of people that would actually put in jail such a "hero" lol.
Yes we have jurys.
I would, lol?
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On July 26 2011 00:02 ThePhan2m wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 16:27 Eurekastreet wrote:On July 25 2011 09:49 ThePhan2m wrote:On July 25 2011 09:34 qwaykee wrote:
i don't understand why you are discussing whether he is a christian or not. does it really matter? the guy murdered 90+ people and that's what you're worried about. please fill me in on what i seem to not understand.
religion/christianity in norway is a joke anyways I think it is important to correct miss information and understandings of such a brutal psychotic killer. Also, I consider myself a fundamentalist Christian, and It's just wrong to bring him into the same category. It's like someone stating they are in the same family as you, and others accepting it as true. You would of course try to correct those who believe so with "I've never know this man, He doesn't have the same blood as me at all" Yes, except that no one chooses their family so the parallel is not that good. It's like saying he had blond hair, you have blond hair, and you feel bed being in the same category. No one would think like that anyway (or if they do, they got a problem...) Religion however, like politics, is a mental construct and (most of the time) a personal choice. No one puts you in the same category as him, but that doesn't mean that fundamentalist christian ideas weren't in his mind, that he wasn't part of that group, and that his religion wasn't part of the reason why he acted like he did. If we can't discuss his religious background because some people will be hurt and pretend "he was not really part of my religious community so you can't discuss it", passed the fact that you can't decide if he was a fundamentalist Christian (only "God" can I guess), then we can't discuss his political ideas either because many people will be hurt too, and so on and so on...and then we're left with nothing to discuss about because he probably got at least one thing in common with pretty much all of us. His religion probably had more influence on his "politics" than his choice of computer games, or his favourite color, so it seems to me that it should be discussed. I am not saying it did influence him (I can't prove it), but religion seemed to be a recurrent topic in his speech/iconography so it's gotta be discussed for now... Considering his relationship to God in his written letters, it seems that was pretty much non-existent. How can you put him in the same category as people how everyday, live and breath this very essence of spending time in prayer with God? He prayed once, he never quotes anything from the bible, or Jesus or anything. And then he gets the name of a fundamental Christian. His actions were clearly more on the political agenda, than any religious agenda, though he had his own personal view on what Christianity is, which is completely biased.
The manifesto has a lot of bible-quotes in it.
He calls himself a christian.
I think there is enough for the media to call him "funamental christian" or something like that.
That he isn't close to anything all of us would expect from a "christian" is kind of obvious, still he had his personal idea of "christianity" which he followed.
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On July 26 2011 00:03 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:57 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:52 Zetter wrote:On July 25 2011 23:47 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:46 Zetter wrote:On July 25 2011 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. And piss on our justice system? No thanks sir. This guy is a monster and deserves a monster's treatment. Well actually, I'm pretty sure, that he is human and as long as I don't have any evidence that he can be put into any defined category of the term "monster", I think I still believe that he is human. Yes, lets all get out hand together, get in circle and play word games.... I don't see sense in "getting the fuck out" at least for myself, considering that I brought valid argumentation into a discussion thread and from my experience discussion threads are used for valid argumentation Edit: Ok, after your edit my post actually doesn't make sense anymore. Still I think logical arguments are needed to break a logical chain. Then come back with a logical post. Be happy he replied to your nonsense post at all. Personally I didn't find a post calling for torture worthy of a reply but Zetter seems to be more patient than I am.
Be happy? What? I am not writing my post because of you or him. If you don't have anything smart to say, or you got a problem with my post and my feelings you can not bother to reply if it is so hard to you. And if you do, try to do more then play with words.
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On July 26 2011 00:08 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 00:03 Longshank wrote:On July 25 2011 23:57 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:52 Zetter wrote:On July 25 2011 23:47 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:46 Zetter wrote:On July 25 2011 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. And piss on our justice system? No thanks sir. This guy is a monster and deserves a monster's treatment. Well actually, I'm pretty sure, that he is human and as long as I don't have any evidence that he can be put into any defined category of the term "monster", I think I still believe that he is human. Yes, lets all get out hand together, get in circle and play word games.... I don't see sense in "getting the fuck out" at least for myself, considering that I brought valid argumentation into a discussion thread and from my experience discussion threads are used for valid argumentation Edit: Ok, after your edit my post actually doesn't make sense anymore. Still I think logical arguments are needed to break a logical chain. Then come back with a logical post. Be happy he replied to your nonsense post at all. Personally I didn't find a post calling for torture worthy of a reply but Zetter seems to be more patient than I am. Be happy? What? I am not writing my post because of you or him. If you don't have anything smart to say, or you got a problem with my post and my feelings you can not bother to reply if it is so hard to you. And if you do, try to do more then play with words.
Eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
Torture wouldn't accomplish anything like scaring potential mass murderers, they'd just take their own life after they're done.
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On July 25 2011 23:02 Sandermatt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. What would this achieve, satisfy some revenge instincts? I can understand the desire for it still acting barbarian yourself will not undo what he did. What he did cannot be undone. Just lock him away so that he isn't a danger to anyone anymore.
Or just kill him so there is zero chance of him ever being a danger to anyone again. Why keep him alive?
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On July 26 2011 00:04 Toxi78 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 00:00 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 23:43 GLLvz wrote:On July 25 2011 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. And piss on our justice system? No thanks sir. 21 years of prison as I read it in this thread... Not sure if word justice applies here. Read again, there's also something called forvaring, he will also be deemed a sicko and will never see the light again. the justice system has worked sofar. and i really doubt it will fail, eather way the guy is dead eather in prison or before hes sentenced. the guy that kills him is going to be called a national hero, end of story. He might be called a national hero by the public(atleast some of them). But he will still go to jail for 10+ years. are you sentenced by a jury in norway? i dont believe you can find a bunch of people that would actually put in jail such a "hero" lol. Putting in jail someone that killed not out of self defense? Hell yes I would.
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On July 26 2011 00:13 Razith wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:02 Sandermatt wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. What would this achieve, satisfy some revenge instincts? I can understand the desire for it still acting barbarian yourself will not undo what he did. What he did cannot be undone. Just lock him away so that he isn't a danger to anyone anymore. Or just kill him so there is zero chance of him ever being a danger to anyone again. Why keep him alive?
How about you go create a death penalty discussion thread? Read this thread for the answer to that question(been asked a thousand times)
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6mins ago update Norwegian police raise death toll in Oslo bomb blast to 8, from 7 - BBC
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7mins ago update Norwegian police revise death toll in Utoya youth camp massacre down to 68 from 86 - Reuters
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