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After reading most of his manifesto I have come to the following conclusion:
The reason he killed those children was because he thinks "one life is worth sacrificing in order too save thousands of others" In his mind sacrificing those children was neccassry in order to get his message out. He stated in his manifesto that he knows he will be called a monster, nazi, racist etc. and it will take years before people realize and understand his intentions. Basicly, he thinks that by doing what he did will save millions of lives the future by preventing the muslims from overtaking the Europe.
Also, he wrote that he will probably die of cancer in the next 12 months because of the exposure to the chemicals while making the bomb. Im surprised no one has mentioned this before.
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On July 26 2011 00:06 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 00:04 Toxi78 wrote:On July 26 2011 00:00 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 23:43 GLLvz wrote:On July 25 2011 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. And piss on our justice system? No thanks sir. 21 years of prison as I read it in this thread... Not sure if word justice applies here. Read again, there's also something called forvaring, he will also be deemed a sicko and will never see the light again. the justice system has worked sofar. and i really doubt it will fail, eather way the guy is dead eather in prison or before hes sentenced. the guy that kills him is going to be called a national hero, end of story. He might be called a national hero by the public(atleast some of them). But he will still go to jail for 10+ years. are you sentenced by a jury in norway? i dont believe you can find a bunch of people that would actually put in jail such a "hero" lol. Yes we have jurys. I would, lol?
Such case would go to the supreme court I'd guess and there's no jury members from the public there? I could be mistaken.
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Would be really nice if a mod could clear out all these people shouting about what his religion was, why religion is bad, why guns are bad, why politics are bad, not to mention argue for death penalty, torture or what not, since they're apparently incapable of shutting up and they bury all the useful info with their banter. Raging isn't what this thread is about. We have a separate thread for that.
Now, just a few minutes ago there was a press conference with the Norwegian police where they stated that the death toll on the island is 68 people, not 90+ like was previously thought. They also mentioned some stuff about how long he could be imprisoned depending on if he manages to get an verdict as insane or not.
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So does he have the highscore in Sweden? Heard something about a guy who killed way more
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On July 26 2011 00:22 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 00:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 26 2011 00:04 Toxi78 wrote:On July 26 2011 00:00 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 23:43 GLLvz wrote:On July 25 2011 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. And piss on our justice system? No thanks sir. 21 years of prison as I read it in this thread... Not sure if word justice applies here. Read again, there's also something called forvaring, he will also be deemed a sicko and will never see the light again. the justice system has worked sofar. and i really doubt it will fail, eather way the guy is dead eather in prison or before hes sentenced. the guy that kills him is going to be called a national hero, end of story. He might be called a national hero by the public(atleast some of them). But he will still go to jail for 10+ years. are you sentenced by a jury in norway? i dont believe you can find a bunch of people that would actually put in jail such a "hero" lol. Yes we have jurys. I would, lol? Such case would go to the supreme court I'd guess and there's no jury members from the public there? I could be mistaken.
It only goes to the supreme court if it's appealed twice as far as i know. And I also think that the supreme court consists of five judges.
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On July 26 2011 00:25 xyl0s wrote:
So does he have the highscore in Sweden? Heard something about a guy who killed way more
Show some respect or gtfo.
The police have scaled down the amount of dead people at Utøya down to 68.
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On July 26 2011 00:25 xyl0s wrote:
So does he have the highscore in Sweden? Heard something about a guy who killed way more
Yeah he still has the world record by like 20
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On July 26 2011 00:25 xyl0s wrote:
So does he have the highscore in Sweden? Heard something about a guy who killed way more
Highscore? Is this a video game now?
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On July 26 2011 00:29 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 00:22 Longshank wrote:On July 26 2011 00:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 26 2011 00:04 Toxi78 wrote:On July 26 2011 00:00 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 23:43 GLLvz wrote:On July 25 2011 23:39 -Archangel- wrote:On July 25 2011 23:06 sidesprang wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. And piss on our justice system? No thanks sir. 21 years of prison as I read it in this thread... Not sure if word justice applies here. Read again, there's also something called forvaring, he will also be deemed a sicko and will never see the light again. the justice system has worked sofar. and i really doubt it will fail, eather way the guy is dead eather in prison or before hes sentenced. the guy that kills him is going to be called a national hero, end of story. He might be called a national hero by the public(atleast some of them). But he will still go to jail for 10+ years. are you sentenced by a jury in norway? i dont believe you can find a bunch of people that would actually put in jail such a "hero" lol. Yes we have jurys. I would, lol? Such case would go to the supreme court I'd guess and there's no jury members from the public there? I could be mistaken. It only goes to the supreme court if it's appealed twice as far as i know. And I also think that the supreme court consists of five judges.
Yes but such case would probably get appealed to the supreme court no matter what verdict the lower-tier courts would issue. There would be strong oppinions on both sides who would see the verdict as unjust.
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On July 26 2011 00:25 xyl0s wrote:
So does he have the highscore in Sweden? Heard something about a guy who killed way more
Hard to tell yet, it's still unclear how many he killed in Sweden.
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Way to be unrespectful..jeeze.
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Police are critizised for being to slow on getting to Utøya. They are now informing eg. that their fastest way to get there was with car. Police in Norway have 1 available police helicopter, though it was out of service due to holiday.
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On July 26 2011 00:13 Razith wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 23:02 Sandermatt wrote:On July 25 2011 22:47 -Archangel- wrote:
Although personally I am against a death sentence, in the case of people like this guy I would make an exception. Actually death would be too easy, maybe some waterboarding each day until the rest of his life would suit him better. And a solitary for the rest of the time. And maybe some flaying Bolton style. What would this achieve, satisfy some revenge instincts? I can understand the desire for it still acting barbarian yourself will not undo what he did. What he did cannot be undone. Just lock him away so that he isn't a danger to anyone anymore. Or just kill him so there is zero chance of him ever being a danger to anyone again. Why keep him alive?
probably because the Norwegians are decent people and respect human life
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On July 26 2011 00:06 CCow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 00:02 ThePhan2m wrote:On July 25 2011 16:27 Eurekastreet wrote:On July 25 2011 09:49 ThePhan2m wrote:On July 25 2011 09:34 qwaykee wrote:
i don't understand why you are discussing whether he is a christian or not. does it really matter? the guy murdered 90+ people and that's what you're worried about. please fill me in on what i seem to not understand.
religion/christianity in norway is a joke anyways I think it is important to correct miss information and understandings of such a brutal psychotic killer. Also, I consider myself a fundamentalist Christian, and It's just wrong to bring him into the same category. It's like someone stating they are in the same family as you, and others accepting it as true. You would of course try to correct those who believe so with "I've never know this man, He doesn't have the same blood as me at all" Yes, except that no one chooses their family so the parallel is not that good. It's like saying he had blond hair, you have blond hair, and you feel bed being in the same category. No one would think like that anyway (or if they do, they got a problem...) Religion however, like politics, is a mental construct and (most of the time) a personal choice. No one puts you in the same category as him, but that doesn't mean that fundamentalist christian ideas weren't in his mind, that he wasn't part of that group, and that his religion wasn't part of the reason why he acted like he did. If we can't discuss his religious background because some people will be hurt and pretend "he was not really part of my religious community so you can't discuss it", passed the fact that you can't decide if he was a fundamentalist Christian (only "God" can I guess), then we can't discuss his political ideas either because many people will be hurt too, and so on and so on...and then we're left with nothing to discuss about because he probably got at least one thing in common with pretty much all of us. His religion probably had more influence on his "politics" than his choice of computer games, or his favourite color, so it seems to me that it should be discussed. I am not saying it did influence him (I can't prove it), but religion seemed to be a recurrent topic in his speech/iconography so it's gotta be discussed for now... Considering his relationship to God in his written letters, it seems that was pretty much non-existent. How can you put him in the same category as people how everyday, live and breath this very essence of spending time in prayer with God? He prayed once, he never quotes anything from the bible, or Jesus or anything. And then he gets the name of a fundamental Christian. His actions were clearly more on the political agenda, than any religious agenda, though he had his own personal view on what Christianity is, which is completely biased. The manifesto has a lot of bible-quotes in it. He calls himself a christian. I think there is enough for the media to call him "funamental christian" or something like that. That he isn't close to anything all of us would expect from a "christian" is kind of obvious, still he had his personal idea of "christianity" which he followed.
He also writes about going to the brothel. And he was a free mason, which is somewhat another religion than christianity. I really do not see much religious motivation, also not a misguided religious motivation.
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On July 26 2011 00:20 AikaEU wrote:
Also, he wrote that he will probably die of cancer in the next 12 months because of the exposure to the chemicals while making the bomb. Im surprised no one has mentioned this before.
Intereting to note that he thinks that, but it's utterly meaningless nonetheless coming from a non-expert standpoint. He doesn't know whether or not the carcinogens to which he might have been exposed tilted the positive outcome of the "multiple hit hypothesis" in favor of mutating any oncogenes such that cancerous mutation resulted. It's sort of like saying, "I'm probably going to die of cancer - I've smoked a lot of cigarettes and had bad sunburns and lots of x-rays." Sure, it's possible that he may have induced a cancerous mutation, but without some karyotipic or genomic analysis of cell samples he can't predict that he has cancer and will die "probably within 12 months".
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I've been out of town till now, but just got home fifteen minutes ago. Grabbing a quick shower, then it's off to the rally here in Bergen.
Hope to see some of you there.
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What the hell? THey lowered the death toll? How can they think there were 20 more people dead than there really were?
Whatever, Good news!
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On July 26 2011 00:50 DannyJ wrote:
What the hell? THey lowered the death toll? How can they think there were 20 more people dead than there really were?
Whatever, Good news!
People presumed dead got found? If I was being hunted by a man who kept saying "come out, don't worry, it's the police" and then shooting people I'd not come out for a few days.
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On July 26 2011 00:50 DannyJ wrote:
What the hell? THey lowered the death toll? How can they think there were 20 more people dead than there really were?
Whatever, Good news!
68 instead of 86. Maybe a dyslexic person in an important position?
Edit: Ok, after reading my own post again, this is really of little possibility.
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Its due to the chaotic situation that met the police when they arrived, and their most likely explanation is that some bodies may have been counted twice.
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