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On January 26 2017 09:27 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2017 09:15 JimmiC wrote:
Yes I do, people where I know the family and have hint they might be into kids, if I had the hint. Like they beat off to child cartoons, I wouldn't leave my child with them no matter how nice they were. Sure, I can understand that, but you don't know what familiar people are hiding from you. The most normal seeming people can be the most deranged ones.. I'm not saying not to trust anyone, but there's a world of difference between child cartoon porn (it's porn) and actually being a pedophile. Is there a cross-section of people between these two sets? Very probably, but does that make someone's porn preferences therefor automatically make them dangerous or shieldworthy of children? I don't think so. Why wouldn't it matter how nice they were? Seriously? Would you leave your child with the best caretaker in the world, someone that teaches your child and does all the good things for his development (in the short timespan he gets to spend time with him) even though he murders the most deranged psychopaths in his spare time? Edit; maybe I do need to become a parent myself, though, before I can accurately answer this question haha.
No, you don't have to be a parent. Its about known information versus assumed information.
All humans could be secret cannibals.
All humans could be child molesters.
If you simply leaned on your assumption--then zero people would be qualified to take care of your child.
However, how about known variables?
You have two options for babysitters. Both actually beat off to child porn--but you know for a fact that one does and you don't know that the other does. So all you see is one person who beats off to child porn, and one person who does not. Using the information available to you at the time--you decide to lean on the one who you think does not beat off to child porn.
As you gain more data you adapt and change your conclusions to better fit the information you have available.
That's it. That's the secret.
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Child porn != hentai.
Also, the guy is a close friend of yours. Why is he a close friend of yours? Does his sexual preference change your friendship? You know, like it's been asked before.
But I guess we can assume because he's your friend, he's a nice guy and you can trust him, right? So how does the sudden knowledge of him being aroused by hentai shit and beating off to it change your perspective of him is the actual question.
And in your scneario as you gain more data you find out your child has been molested and you feel like shit for the rest of your life because you trusted your child with someone you trusted falsely (even how irrational that is because you couldn't have known)
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On January 26 2017 09:44 Uldridge wrote:
Child porn != hentai.
Also, the guy is a close friend of yours. Why is he a close friend of yours? Does his sexual preference change your friendship? You know, like it's been asked before.
But I guess we can assume because he's your friend, he's a nice guy and you can trust him, right? So how does the sudden knowledge of him being aroused by hentai shit and beating off to it change your perspective of him is the actual question.
And in your scneario as you gain more data you find out your child has been molested and you feel like shit for the rest of your life because you trusted your child with someone you trusted falsely (even how irrational that is because you couldn't have known)
The reason I used child porn as an example is to show you why people would act that way. Remember, all you see is your friend jacking off to a cartoon child. Sure he says that its not what you think, that the character is actually deep and much older than he looks--but then at the same time you still know your friend jacks off to the images of children.
Does it matter if its technically child porn or not? No, not really, not when you have other options out there.
Those other options could have the exact same habits as your friend--but since you don't know that it does not come into the equation. At some point, you could run out of friends who don't jack off to images of children--at which point you can adjust your morals.
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Sure, I understand, I still think it's more profound to ask yourself why he's your friend, though, and if you change your opinion of him once you know he does that stuff and if he's still trustworthy enough or not.
Anyway, from the hentaibeater's perspective, is it worth it to get some alonetime with a child (let's say he does molest him), to just get caught immediately afterwards?
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On January 26 2017 09:53 Uldridge wrote:
Sure, I understand, I still think it's more profound to ask yourself why he's your friend, though, and if you change your opinion of him once you know he does that stuff and if he's still trustworthy enough or not.
Anyway, from the hentaibeater's perspective, is it worth it to get some alonetime with a child (let's say he does molest him), to just get caught immediately afterwards?
Trust and caution are not mutually exclusive. I've had many friends talk about how they finally were going to deal with their drinking problems. I'd believe them each time. Be disappointed by them each time. But not really be surprised that they failed.
You're friend either:
1.) Is secretly a child molester
2.) Could potentially be a child molester, but anime has allowed him to deal with his urges
3.) Actually believes the drawing only looks like a child and will not let how they look prevent him from seeing the personality hidden beneath.
2/3 of those options is good enough for them to be a friend.
2/3 of those options makes me uncomfortable to leave them alone with my child.
For example, if that same friend had a partner who would be with them? I'd be 100% cool with it since there is some level of accountability--unless I learn that the partner also jacks off to hentai, then the math gets weird again.
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If he's your friend, you probably know relatively well what his values are, thus you know how self-disciplined he is and how much he values his friends vs his pleasure.
On a side note, knowing how we came to the situation "should I trust him to look after my children ?" would he useful. Like, if he specifically asked if he could be the babysitter, that's suspicious.
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i know this is the "ask and answer stupid" thread.. but it is hard to restrain from saying that people giving advice about kids without having them is kind of bad.
Most kids on tl give their opinion and why not.. exchange is what forums are for.. but then the stance is important.
Whatever you think right now, your world will change so much when you will become a "grown up" .. (one of the undeniable ways to be forced into being a grown up is bringing your own children in the world) .. Raising children will (to sum up) forego your previous life comfort and anything that you thought you knew about life/people/yourself, all of it will be revisited (whether you want to or not) and most probably change you for the better or the worst.
i know i'm not the norm and i wouldn't profess to be, but any information/feeling acts on you and your surrounding audience. Whatever you profess now (at present time, you feel free and feel invulnerable because you are young and know little about real life, whatever you think (again to cover it quickly and yes over"simplistically"))) .. when/if you get kids WHATEVER bad feelings/thoughts (suspicion) you get about a baby sitter for your kids will make you act upon it (even if it is just your paranoia talking and that could be said about many things regarding your children, not just sex related).
So i'd say most answers you got are more than ill informed and really just kiddie talk (discussion just for discussion sake (a pseudo intellectual exercise lol!) or worse for said kiddie poster's sake/benefit (feeling important/edgy/existent) and at the reader's detriment.
Yes if you learn that your friend is doing anything sex related you will fear them taking care of your kid and want to change to another. Even them wanking to "adult stuff".
Then again, maybe i'm wrong and letting kiddies answer adults question is good for them in the long run.
Who's to say?
i happen to think that for that to be true (long run blabla rational), it matters that someone retorts to tell them they are wrong, otherwise some really misinformed reader will be subjected to said crap and be affected by it (in a bad way).
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There is no doubt that the view of people with kids is usually different than that of people without kids. But are those necessarily better? People with children usually present themselves as more knowledgeable as to the questions of child care only by the virtue of them raising a child, blatantly ignoring the possibility that they are simply doing it wrong. If everyone had a thousand kids and could raise them all and then compare the outcomes, I'd surely acknowledge that as an expert opinion, but simply having a child doesn't give your irrational feelings any more weight, despite all of the superiority you are now exploding with from the inside.
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Possibly arguing for argument's sake is worse?
No i didn't say you can't argue if you don't have kids yourself (we all have been kids for one).
i said that the "stance" you take when doing so is vital.
Meaning for instance that if your opinion is "this is what i would do if i had kids" you are blatantly fooling yourself.
Nothing is universal, the closest thing we have to truth is our own experience.
Having children doesn't make you right, it can make you truthful
(or at least you have the relevant material to discuss : your own experience)
and in a conversation that matters, that is a better start than conjectures.
For instance, 20 years ago no one would have been caught saying "i don't want kids.." (for whatever reason) it was a taboo.
Nowadays it is common to hear people say that .. and that is fine.
Having children is not for everyone and furthermore you can want them and then discover that you are ill equipped to deal with the new life you have in front of you (and yes kids take your "previous" life away from you and there is no other way to know about that than to have lived through it yourself).
Again, your rational is "i don't have kids and my opinion matters" but does it really?
i don't mind that stance, but when people say "this person doesn't get how to raise their child" or "please don't reproduce" or something.., perhaps the fact that they don't have kids (are too young/too self involved/their own refusal to have kids/whatever the case at the time where they are making such "statements") is unbeknownst to them shaping their own thought process. Not always, but certainly if that person doesn't realize it, it really is bad (for them, for the discussion itself).
Again, do discuss "having kids" stuff (without having any) all you want (not like i have any say in the matter) ,
but do take your own opinion "more" out of the equation, because if you had children YOU wouldn't be able to do that as much, and you would probably know it too!
So all i'm saying is do start your "commenting" with "i don't have children and here is what i think" is all...
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come on men, there's lots of things you could do nowadays to have it both ways: have the kiddie hentai loving dude babysit your child and take care/protect your child. electronic devices are a thing and knowledge about might be pedos(because there are patterns and telltale signs and age triggers and etc.etc) is another.
sure you need to be in another place than where fluidrone is, but it's doable.
(for the record, my gf is worse than fluidrone; i'm not saying that's bad but that she has a more negative stance on it going up to and including a pro neutering/castration stance or being for death sentences for proven offenders and all kinds of painful happenings.)
personally i go with reading people. it's not foolproof obviously but i think it's way better than the paranoia associated with constantly thinking that others are out to get you or your loved ones.
the binarism here, the thing from where all(99%) stances come from is(every argument would fit this thought pattern):
-some are into prevention, thinking is better that everything(fluidrone);
-some are into managing/controlling the outcome allowing directly or indirectly for things to happen(me);
Edit: and yea, first part is nurture and second part is nature. you could follow such patterns then predict people stances on things. it fails only when there is a disassociation or damage with the internal logic of <the interlocutor>.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 26 2017 18:55 xM(Z wrote:
come on men, there's lots of things you could do nowadays to have it both ways: have the kiddie hentai loving dude babysit your child and take care/protect your child. electronic devices are a thing and knowledge about might be pedos(because there are patterns and telltale signs and age triggers and etc.etc) is another.
sure you need to be in another place than where fluidrone is, but it's doable.
(for the record, my gf is worse than fluidrone; i'm not saying that's bad but that she has a more negative stance on it going up to and including a pro neutering/castration stance or being for death sentences for proven offenders and all kinds of painful happenings.)
personally i go with reading people. it's not foolproof obviously but i think it's way better than the paranoia associated with constantly thinking that others are out to get you or your loved ones.
the binarism here, the thing from where all(99%) stances come from is(every argument would fit this thought pattern):
-some are into prevention, thinking is better that everything(fluidrone);
-some are into managing/controlling the outcome allowing directly or indirectly for things to happen(me);
Edit: and yea, first part is nurture and second part is nature. you could follow such patterns then predict people stances on things. it fails only when there is a disassociation or damage with the internal logic of <the interlocutor>.
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wow you do read people.. just.. wow your read is so bad that it must be my fault.
i said "people" will react doing "x" and you read "i would do x"...
wow
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your first post is to personal to misread it, as if coming from a 3rd party. you accepted its conclusion as true. when/if you get kids WHATEVER bad feelings/thoughts (suspicion) you get about a baby sitter for your kids will make you act upon it (even if it is just your paranoia talking and that could be said about many things regarding your children, not just sex related).
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again.. learn how to read maybe? Or maybe learn that what you type (anyone typing in a forum ever not just you or me) is subject to personal viewing.
My post says you can only be personal in your stance/view/post on the issue presented..
i also said that my opinion is just that.. one opinion! and that people are entitled to their own opinion.. like you are entitled to yours.
Just ..when you misread or subjectively truncate someone's post/pov .. then your opinion is useless to any sort of discussion because it is obviously unconsciously subjectively biased (and that this biased is so huge it blocks any type of analysis/debate/useful discussion).
Anyway, sorry for derailing the "fun" aspect of this thread once again (being off topic) i won't continue this fruitless typing.
hf
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so i have not misinterpreted your opinion in any way but you were offended because:
- i used you as a front for anyone sharing that opinion;
- i dared to presume i know you by ... claiming things;
the way i read your post: you made your stance, pro - prevention then everything else was you being polite about it; making excuses for other opinions, admitting variation, giving validation to other stances and so on.
that is how you present yourself; deflecting confrontation could be a virtue, i don't know. i wasn't dismissing it, just thought it's fluff and outside the scope of the conversation.
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What noise annoys a noisy oyster?
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If xmz indeed has a girlfriend that is in any aspect worse than baskerville, that would really explain a lot 
[sorry guys, love you both in a way, but couldn't help myself ]
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I wonder what rape articles XMZ will pull out to defend his hentai this time
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Really, TM? A moral crusade against Hentai? Because penis-tentacled octopi raping schoolgirls isn't sufficiently fantastic? Why does xMZ have to defend "his" Hentai in any case? It's a rather bizar form of porn, but so are about a billion other fetishes out there. I don't think there is anything inherently wrong to jacking off to Hentai. Nor is there to jacking off to bondage porn, feet, or smelling panties. It's none of it my cup of tea, but if it turns you on, why the hell not. There's a very very long way between Hentai and molesting children.
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