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Nigerian "Baby Factory" Raided. - Page 2
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kasumimi
Greece460 Posts
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On June 02 2011 17:04 ComusLoM wrote: Slavery has nothing to do with it, and neither has Imperialism unless you're talking about the premature end of it. If you look at it from an African economic perspective slavery was a good trade given slaves were very often sold by Africans themselves. This has nothing to do with race it has to do with a culture that can't sustain modern life because of the innate corruption, racism, religious discrimination and violence associated with African cultures (so okay it has a little to do with Racism but not White supremacy). The worst thing the European powers did to Africa was to leave, especially at the time they did. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them govern well. The European colonies did neither, power was just handed over arbitrarily in most cases and it went to shit really fast, this is just another example of a Culture not fit for modern society. So are you entirely cynical about the situation? Do you believe that the people can acclimatise to modern society, or that it's impossible? Obviously as fellow human beings with compassion it's wrong to not try and intervene- or is it? Every letter I type makes me sound more like a white supremacist. I would argue that our modern society is empirically better, that was the argument for colonialism- wasn't it? you've outlined many of the problems that have led to today's Africa. Do you think there are solutions? | ||
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Smokincoyote
Australia57 Posts
Statements like this: On June 02 2011 16:23 Lexpar wrote: I truly hope that somewhere in the future the backwards continent of Africa can receive real humanitarian aid Always annoy me. But on topic, issues like this always come up when there is a demand for a legitimate or illegitimate service. It's similar to the same 'baby factories' that have occurred in India. These things will continue to happen unless ideologies over human rights can be change in those countries - which can only come from stable and healthy governments providing adequate support for the county. | ||
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
On June 02 2011 17:10 Lexpar wrote: So are you entirely cynical about the situation? Do you believe that the people can acclimatise to modern society, or that it's impossible? Obviously as fellow human beings with compassion it's wrong to not try and intervene- or is it? Every letter I type makes me sound more like a white supremacist. I would argue that our modern society is empirically better, that was the argument for colonialism- wasn't it? you've outlined many of the problems that have led to today's Africa. Do you think there are solutions? I'm actually very optimistic about Africa. But frankly the way the world is handling Africa is incredibly worrying, we should not be focusing on charities but focusing on taking down corrupt governments and creating business opportunities in Africa. If we are going to help at all sending money and food is completely the wrong way to go about it. Invest in farms and businesses or don't help at all. If Africa suddenly got no help at all from foreign powers it would be forced to either sink or swim, and as humanity goes it will almost definitely swim and change for the better. It could of course backfire, but how much worse can it get really? On June 02 2011 17:10 Smokincoyote wrote: This is a terrible thing to have happened, but Africa =/= Nigeria. Statements like this: Always annoy me. You can't really expect this not to turn into an Africa debate to be honest there has been so much crap going on there recently threads like this serve as a good point of debate. Why are you annoyed by that statement though? Implying Africa is backwards or that it doesn't receive real humanitarian aid (No aid is pretty much better than the type of aid they get right now). African governments don't live in the real world right now, they're like an illegitimate teenager that keeps getting bailed out of jail and receives extraordinary amounts of pocket money even though it will all go to booze and coke. | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
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Ravencruiser
Canada519 Posts
Then the readers go back to buying/playing SC2: HoTS while letting the practice continue. It's just the world we live in, "nothing we can do" collectively due to individual selfishness. My severely cynical heart goes out to these babies, but at the end of the day my soul makes peace with enjoying my quality of life. Edit: On June 02 2011 17:15 ondik wrote: Lexpar: so how exactly do you imagine the "aid" that world should give Africa? Send 1/3 of one's income to stabilize/improve economic conditions in Nigeria. Then this industry will eventually decline/stop. Would one's bleeding heart do so? Or would one forget about the matter in about 10 minutes watching a livestream? | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
There is truly no limit as to how fucked up things can get in this world. WTF. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On June 02 2011 17:04 ComusLoM wrote: Can't tell if trolling :SSlavery has nothing to do with it, and neither has Imperialism unless you're talking about the premature end of it. If you look at it from an African economic perspective slavery was a good trade [...] The worst thing the European powers did to Africa was to leave | ||
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Shamrock_
South Africa276 Posts
Look at it from this viewpoint though; assume no one lived in the US, or it was remote and all you saw were pictures of slums (even though I don't think US has bad slums like Africa), but let's say, you never visited, heard it was a poor country, and you heard of 7 or 8 times that a kid shot his teachers and people at his school. You'd draw a pretty gruesome picture from that. Now, this is absolutely disgusting, yes, and I believe it's true, but a lot of human trafficking goes to make prostitutes for countries in Europe -- not sure about America. At the same time, it's very rare to hear of. Nigeria is pretty involved crime-wise and they're not a good country to take example from. A lot of Africans are very moral, nice people. The South Africans who rape toddlers are an unusual handful -- I've never met or heard of any personal connection to anyone like that and I think it's absolutely disgusting, as do most South Africans. All I'm saying is, stories like this give a really bad view of Africa, and while Africa has a lot of problems, you do meet some very nice people here and it's not all bad as the media would have you believe. Someone with a 'baby farm' deserves to be shot and it's utterly revolting. I wouldn't ever try and defend that. And the black magic shit that they get involved in is not only stupid and disgusting, it's annoying. I've had iguanas and lizards that I was raising stolen so that people could use them for rituals. I mean, this refers to using babies for rituals which is a whole other level, but god damn trying to raise a reptile is like trying to protect gold. EDIT Oh, and seeing some of the comments is really annoying. Like, yeah, I suffer from corruption in government, but making some sort of statement like 'Oh we really need to sort out all the corrupt African governments' is ignorant. Are you really gonna say that the US government is not corrupt? I have no doubt that they are, they just cover it up really well while African governments just let it all hang out. And making some sort of high and might statement about 'fixing Africa' doesn't mean anything. | ||
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kinray
Bulgaria49 Posts
I really want to know why some people here think that a whole continent need to be fed with a spoon and given some crazy amounts of money because "we did something wrong to them like 100 years ago"? After WWII European nations backed off from Africa and let the natives rule. We all see what happened. I am rasist and do i think that white man are superior? Hell no. Do i think that the majority of African countries need to blame only themselves for hunger/corruption/poor living conditions? Hell yes. | ||
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Hister
United States89 Posts
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On June 02 2011 17:28 kinray wrote: So i can't understand how it's slavery when the girls receive money for the babies? Yes it's something really bad for our western culture and we can't accept that kind of trade but everyone have the right to be an idiot. I really want to know why some people here think that a whole continent need to be fed with a spoon and given some crazy amounts of money because "we did something wrong to them like 100 years ago"? After WWII European nations backed off from Africa and let the natives rule. We all see what happened. I am rasist and do i think that white man are superior? Hell no. Do i think that the majority of African countries need to blame only themselves for hunger/corruption/poor living conditions? Hell yes. I can't even begin to tackle all thats wrong with this post. I haven't slept in 20 hours. Please, someone else grab this. | ||
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Zombie_Velociraptor
274 Posts
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On June 02 2011 17:15 ondik wrote: Lexpar: so how exactly do you imagine the "aid" that world should give Africa? I firmly believe that the majority of Western nations owe Africa a debt. Not only because of the history of the slave trade, but also because of the blind eye they routinely turn to severe breaches in human rights. The idea of racial supremacy has been largely instilled in many African nations because of colonization. While it's impossible to say what Africa would be like today without intervention by Western powers, I think it's very safe to say that we have played a large part in the continent's decline into poverty and disease. I don't know what the solution for Africa is: it's why I asked for TL's opinion. I didn't just make this thread to be the bearer of awful news, I really want to know people's opinions. I'm sorry if this isn't a very satisfying answer. :x | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On June 02 2011 17:25 Shamrock_ wrote: I think the reason Africa comes off as such a horrible place is because it's remote and uninvolved with the rest of the world; no one comes here so when you hear a story about rape it sounds like all Africans do is stuff like OP said. Look at it from this viewpoint though; assume no one lived in the US, or it was remote and all you saw were pictures of slums (even though I don't think US has bad slums like Africa), but let's say, you never visited, heard it was a poor country, and you heard of 7 or 8 times that a kid shot his teachers and people at his school. You'd draw a pretty gruesome picture from that. Now, this is absolutely disgusting, yes, and I believe it's true, but a lot of human trafficking goes to make prostitutes for countries in Europe -- not sure about America. At the same time, it's very rare to hear of. Nigeria is pretty involved crime-wise and they're not a good country to take example from. A lot of Africans are very moral, nice people. The South Africans who rape toddlers are an unusual handful -- I've never met or heard of any personal connection to anyone like that and I think it's absolutely disgusting, as do most South Africans. All I'm saying is, stories like this give a really bad view of Africa, and while Africa has a lot of problems, you do meet some very nice people here and it's not all bad as the media would have you believe. Someone with a 'baby farm' deserves to be shot and it's utterly revolting. I wouldn't ever try and defend that. And the black magic shit that they get involved in is not only stupid and disgusting, it's annoying. I've had iguanas and lizards that I was raising stolen so that people could use them for rituals. I mean, this refers to using babies for rituals which is a whole other level, but god damn trying to raise a reptile is like trying to protect gold. EDIT Oh, and seeing some of the comments is really annoying. Like, yeah, I suffer from corruption in government, but making some sort of statement like 'Oh we really need to sort out all the corrupt African governments' is ignorant. Are you really gonna say that the US government is not corrupt? I have no doubt that they are, they just cover it up really well while African governments just let it all hang out. And making some sort of high and might statement about 'fixing Africa' doesn't mean anything. Thanks for your reply. I found it very interesting. It's wasn't my intention to paint Africans as an evil people. Like you've said, a lot of the slave trade supplies Europe... What I'm saying is that like this, a lot of Africa's problems are directly caused by the western world. The west has been causing, or at the very least ignoring, Africa's problems for hundreds of years, and it continues today. What do you think the West's involvement should be with Africa today? | ||
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Gprime
Canada198 Posts
as for the difference between the word holocaust having an anti-semetic tone and the word rape having anti feminine tone, id say there isn't really much of a difference. i guess the only difference is that using the word holocaust to describe something else (like a game of sc) is just less common. maybe because after WW2 so many people were so sensitive about it that it just fell out of use other than in history books or discussions. perhaps another difference is that the holocaust was 60 years ago, and rape is ongoing. the holocaust isn't really that fresh in most peoples minds,( other than people who experienced it, and their families, etc) while rape is pretty fresh. I'm creating more questions that answers so ill leave it at that.  | ||
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Drteeth
Great Britain415 Posts
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Dr. ROCKZO
New Zealand396 Posts
The world is horrible. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
I truly hope that somewhere in the future the backwards continent of Africa can receive real humanitarian aid and reparations for the hundreds of years of social and economic damage the rest of the world has caused it. I like how these people can get to do whatever the hell they want no matter how outragous or sickening and somehow, someway, people will make up a reason why these people really aren't accountable for their actions and that in reality it was pretty much me and everyone else that lives in a modern civilized country that should be held responsible for their actions. Maybe i should start something like this and when i get arrested for it i will hope people start blaming Italy for allowing the Roman empire to settle over my country. Not sure, how long does this free-pass on everything last? All the celebrities ie Madonna etc who thinks its cool to buy a kid have a lot to answer for. No...they don't | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
On June 02 2011 17:16 Ravencruiser wrote: Edit: Send 1/3 of one's income to stabilize/improve economic conditions in Nigeria. Then this industry will eventually decline/stop. Would one's bleeding heart do so? Or would one forget about the matter in about 10 minutes watching a livestream? and after everything that happened to Africa in last 50 years people still think money is the cure and if they had more of it they would've been better..sigh | ||
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