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On June 03 2011 04:29 Eufouria wrote:
Also this economic discussion is pretty distasteful. To imply that the ordinary people in Africa are poor because they want to be poor, or don't work hard enough is stupid. Countries need resources to make money. In Africa these resources are controlled by corrupt businessmen, some African and some Western. You also can't compare it to any other countries experience, because even in Russia post Tsar at least they'd had a revolution.
It's just simple-mindness at his worst.
Some don't just realize that there's a reason there are PhDs in economics and you can't just throughly explain a country's failure to stabilize a dynamic economy by saying... that they're just "not good at it" and "sort of lazy".
Ok, you've read a dozen wikipedia articles, but it's a superficial and incomplete knowledge. At least aknowledge that, guys.
But maybe the world IS that simple. Then German people are "evil", french people are "cowards", japanese people are "sneaky", US people are "fat" and "dumb". Oh, and Bush declared war to Iraq because he was "stupid" and "drunk". And Osama Ben Laden was just really "pissed off".
They took urrr jooobs herp der deeeerp.
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i have nvr heard of baby factory before
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14 years in Jail? In China we shoot you.
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And that's why china suck!
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On June 03 2011 02:52 Gustaf wrote:
Stop the aid, it has done way more ill than good. I just wrote a paper about it so cba to explain my points, but read Dambisa Moyos book "Dead Aid" and you will get the hang of it. Only humanitarian aid should exist, development aid has to be removed or drastically changed.
YEA! Africa needs more aids for humanity.
On June 03 2011 15:39 MadNeSs wrote:
And that's why china suck!
No, that's why China does not have prison culture and crime is almost 0%. Do you know what it costs to keep a man in prison for 14 years?
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Do you know what it costs to make sure you're not shooting an innocent man? Actually more than just executing him. But maybe you want the authorities randomly shooting people on the head like they do in China.
Excuse me, I might a bit sensitive about Tiananmen, corruption, demagogy and stuff.
And, of course, when crime is committed by the authorities, then it's not crime anymore, right? Did you know that corporations in China have to actually pay taxes to the mafia to even exist?
Also, of course there will be no prisoners if you get shot and tortured after robbing a grocery store (even though you could've done it just to survive).
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On June 03 2011 17:18 Kukaracha wrote:
Do you know what it costs to make sure you're not shooting an innocent man? Actually more than just executing him. But maybe you want the authorities randomly shooting people on the head like they do in China.
Excuse me, I might a bit sensitive about Tiananmen, corruption, demagogy and stuff.
And, of course, when crime is committed by the authorities, then it's not crime anymore, right? Did you know that corporations in China have to actually pay taxes to the mafia to even exist?
Also, of course there will be no prisoners if you get shot and tortured after robbing a grocery store (even though you could've done it just to survive).
If you wanna make a point then claim something that can be argued for or against.
Your "sensitivity about TAM, etc" is irrelevant.
Was that a fucked up time in modern history? You bet. What of it? Governments commit horrendous acts on their own people frequently, e.g. Gulf of Tonkin, 911 in the US.
Your anecdotes about the Chinese mafia are as misunderstood as they are misleading.
I am very interested to know the extent of your knowledge and understanding regarding China, its people, history, culture, and language.
To answer your question, "crime" is to be understood as a punishable offense. In this way, governments cannot and do not commit crimes unless there is an agency capable of holding said agency accountable. So, the answer to your facetiously posed question is, "yes".
The only proof of strength is strength itself.
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No, that's why China does not have prison culture and crime is almost 0%. Do you know what it costs to keep a man in prison for 14 years?
Well that depends. In a proper legal system it costs quite a lot because you need to be very carefull in making sure you got the right guy so a lot of appeals go on and on and the entire process becomes rather lengthy out of fear of condeming an innocent man to the death sentence.
In a Chinese system of law it's a lot cheaper because if you got the wrong guy you just shrug and if a reporter asks questions you just give him the death penalty and if a reporter asks about that then...well you get the general idea.
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On June 03 2011 17:37 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +No, that's why China does not have prison culture and crime is almost 0%. Do you know what it costs to keep a man in prison for 14 years? Well that depends. In a proper legal system it costs quite a lot because you need to be very carefull in making sure you got the right guy so a lot of appeals go on and on and the entire process becomes rather lengthy out of fear of condeming an innocent man to the death sentence. In a Chinese system of law it's a lot cheaper because if you got the wrong guy you just shrug and if a reporter asks questions you just give him the death penalty and if a reporter asks about that then...well you get the general idea.
you would make a great pulp fiction author.
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Harsher punishments might stop freaks like this if they knew they were gonna be fucked up like the old Chinese ways of humiliating someone (cutting them up in public). Other than that I don't see any way to punish people like this, if they already lived around such horrible things on a daily bases I don't think anything could be bad enough for them to almost not enjoy it. People are animals.
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June 26 marks the UN's International Day Against Drug Abuse and Illicit Trafficking, a date when China has traditionally executed and sentenced convicted drug traffickers to illustrate its resolve in fighting the scourge.
Usually a very sad day for Nigerian mothers. Just do a G***L* search with the terms "Nigerian, china execute, trafficking" and you will see countless articles.
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On June 03 2011 17:24 Redunzl wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 17:18 Kukaracha wrote:
Do you know what it costs to make sure you're not shooting an innocent man? Actually more than just executing him. But maybe you want the authorities randomly shooting people on the head like they do in China.
Excuse me, I might a bit sensitive about Tiananmen, corruption, demagogy and stuff.
And, of course, when crime is committed by the authorities, then it's not crime anymore, right? Did you know that corporations in China have to actually pay taxes to the mafia to even exist?
Also, of course there will be no prisoners if you get shot and tortured after robbing a grocery store (even though you could've done it just to survive). If you wanna make a point then claim something that can be argued for or against. Your "sensitivity about TAM, etc" is irrelevant. Was that a fucked up time in modern history? You bet. What of it? Governments commit horrendous acts on their own people frequently, e.g. Gulf of Tonkin, 911 in the US. Your anecdotes about the Chinese mafia are as misunderstood as they are misleading. I am very interested to know the extent of your knowledge and understanding regarding China, its people, history, culture, and language. To answer your question, "crime" is to be understood as a punishable offense. In this way, governments cannot and do not commit crimes unless there is an agency capable of holding said agency accountable. So, the answer to your facetiously posed question is, "yes". The only proof of strength is strength itself.
wait, did you just slip a 9-11 conspiracy theory in there?
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On June 03 2011 17:47 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 17:24 Redunzl wrote:On June 03 2011 17:18 Kukaracha wrote:
Do you know what it costs to make sure you're not shooting an innocent man? Actually more than just executing him. But maybe you want the authorities randomly shooting people on the head like they do in China.
Excuse me, I might a bit sensitive about Tiananmen, corruption, demagogy and stuff.
And, of course, when crime is committed by the authorities, then it's not crime anymore, right? Did you know that corporations in China have to actually pay taxes to the mafia to even exist?
Also, of course there will be no prisoners if you get shot and tortured after robbing a grocery store (even though you could've done it just to survive). If you wanna make a point then claim something that can be argued for or against. Your "sensitivity about TAM, etc" is irrelevant. Was that a fucked up time in modern history? You bet. What of it? Governments commit horrendous acts on their own people frequently, e.g. Gulf of Tonkin, 911 in the US. Your anecdotes about the Chinese mafia are as misunderstood as they are misleading. I am very interested to know the extent of your knowledge and understanding regarding China, its people, history, culture, and language. To answer your question, "crime" is to be understood as a punishable offense. In this way, governments cannot and do not commit crimes unless there is an agency capable of holding said agency accountable. So, the answer to your facetiously posed question is, "yes". The only proof of strength is strength itself. wait, did you just slip a 9-11 conspiracy theory in there?
No, you did though.
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I think if the entire continent of Africa sunk into the ocean, no one would care. I would miss the giraffes and shit but thats about it.
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Farming babies then slavery/prostitution/illegal adoption
People watching Matrix thought only machines could do this. But actually it's human beings who farm babies. Disgusting
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On June 03 2011 17:54 FecalFrown wrote:
I think if the entire continent of Africa sunk into the ocean, no one would care. I would miss the giraffes and shit but thats about it.
And if you drown in the ocean, the world is a better place.
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On June 03 2011 18:07 BlackFlag wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2011 17:54 FecalFrown wrote:
I think if the entire continent of Africa sunk into the ocean, no one would care. I would miss the giraffes and shit but thats about it. And if you drown in the ocean, the world is a better place.
 If you ban Fecal for saying he would be happy with the abomination of Africa. Then you must ban Flag for saying that the abomination of Fecal would "make the world better".
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The comments about this being a result of the western imperial powers fucking Africa over and making them poor are way off base. Human sacrifice and slavery were relatively wide-spread practices in primitive societies, especially among primitive tribal societies (which is what sub-Saharan Africa was until the colonialists came). If the major powers in the colonial age had not set foot in Africa you would be seeing a lot more of these kinds of abhorrent cruelties associated with tribal life, including and not limited to female genital mutilation, infanticide etc.
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Humanity never ceaes to amaze; I find myself hard to believe that this stuff is happening.
What the effin fuck is going on...
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I like that every other post is decrying the ignorance of all posters before them.
I'll just say that baby farms are generally considered 'not cool' in Iceland. And since Iceland has never had anything to do with Africa (beside sending some aid and whatnot) I feel no need to wallow in any sort of white mans guilt whenever Africa is brought up. But obviously, being white 'n all, I can't really judge these noble baby-farmers and their baby-farming ways.
That is all.
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