EPTNigerian "Baby Factory" Raided. - Page 3
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whamm
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kellymilkies
Singapore1393 Posts
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Facedriller
Sweden275 Posts
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kinray
Bulgaria49 Posts
On June 02 2011 17:33 Lexpar wrote: I can't even begin to tackle all thats wrong with this post. I haven't slept in 20 hours. Please, someone else grab this. I am really interested in your opinion here because as i understand it in your point of view any group of people/nation/continent can blame the big bad imperialists for all the bad things that happened to them? To give you some examples i want to point of current state of most eastern European countries. Yes most of us are "part" of the European union but the way of life here is so far from the way of life in any Western country that as i can understand from your post we need to be given free money. The same goes for quite a few far east countries, some south American countries and so on. As i said in my first post the most important thing is not to be rasist and judge everyone equally. | ||
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necroticah
South Africa233 Posts
However, since I do live here there is one thing I can tell everyone that wishes to bring aid and what-not. DON'T, I know it sounds harsh but the governments of these poor states are to blame. They do not want help their own kind, so why should others 'help'? I live in a country where the minority does NOT benefit from an ongoing affirmative action. At least South Africa is not nearly as terrible as most other African countries and I do believe we will be fine in the end. We have a terrible problem with Nigerian criminals here too, so I can tell you, whatever you here of Nigerian crime - believe it to be true! But they only consitute to less than 2% of their population like every other country. | ||
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Son of Gnome
United States777 Posts
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
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exeexe
Denmark937 Posts
The proletariat (from Latin proletarius, a citizen of the lowest class) is a term used to identify a lower social class, usually the working class; a member of such a class is proletarian. Originally it was identified as those people who had no wealth other than their children. The proletariat is in other words a class whos purpose to society is to reproduce and supply kids to the rich. Keeping people down on their knees just so they can make babies is no new phenomen and it was a widespread practice in Europe hundred years ago when capitalism had its primetime. | ||
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
I am very skeptical that the West as a whole is responsible for the dire state many African countries are in. But I will concede my position to some facts or some solid history. I wish for more informative replies than: 'Oh you REALLY think it's all about the west do you? How ignorant!' responded to by: 'I can't be bothered to tell you why you're so wrong, so fuck you instead' and then a bunch of bullshit, invented, half-assed explanations and no actual history. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
I don't think that any amount of charity work can fix what ever it is about Africa that compels them to deal in human trafficking. The problems in Africa are Africa's responsibility. IMO, its a waste of time and energy to continue spending time and money there. That sounds cold hearted but the hard reality is that life is not fair and innocent people die everyday. America is struggling to pay its own bills and its silly to keep throwing money at such a backward continent. If its us or them, I vote "us." | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
What the fuck... If they would sell the babies to people that can't have kids, I'd understand that, even though I'd still disagree, obviously. But this is just messed up. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
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AlecPyron
United States131 Posts
Now about Africa as a whole, I don't like to discuss the entirety of the continent. Each section of the continent has it own distinctive problem. Should Western countries aid them? In war situations and where human rights are violated without local government trying to solve it, yeah I think they should intervene. Now money aid, that depends on how it is handled. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 02 2011 17:33 Lexpar wrote: I can't even begin to tackle all thats wrong with this post. I haven't slept in 20 hours. Please, someone else grab this. I'm actually curious to see your response. See the first line states that the teenage girls are being forced to have kids...but nowhere in the rest of the article does it state that. In fact they are getting paid to have kids. So now I'm confused....are they being abducted, raped, and then forced to have kids and then subsequently being paid???? for those kids they produce... or do they voluntarily go there for the money? The situation here has a large impact on my reaction. I obviously don't condone the whole baby factory thing but if they are voluntarily churning out babies for money then uhh I'm not as outraged frankly. The worlds a shitty place so this is hardly surprising. | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On June 02 2011 17:35 Lexpar wrote: I firmly believe that the majority of Western nations owe Africa a debt. Not only because of the history of the slave trade, but also because of the blind eye they routinely turn to severe breaches in human rights. The idea of racial supremacy has been largely instilled in many African nations because of colonization. While it's impossible to say what Africa would be like today without intervention by Western powers, I think it's very safe to say that we have played a large part in the continent's decline into poverty and disease. I don't know what the solution for Africa is: it's why I asked for TL's opinion. I didn't just make this thread to be the bearer of awful news, I really want to know people's opinions. I'm sorry if this isn't a very satisfying answer. :x Seriously? It's the western world's fault that a group of people are farming babies? If you're neighbor turns a blind eye, would you blame him for your own transgressions? Is a drug dealer less guilty than the drug buyer? When you say that the majority of western nations owe Africa a debt, who exactly do you mean? What western nations spent their citizen's tax money to purchase slaves? Its my understanding that the buying and selling of slaves was done on an individual level. If that is true, how then can you say that I, more than 100 years removed from the days of slavery in my own country, am obligated to pay a debt to a foreign nation. Because when you say "western nation" what you are really saying is every tax paying man and woman who lives in said nation. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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necroticah
South Africa233 Posts
On June 02 2011 19:58 Incognoto wrote: It's reading stuff like this that makes you realise how incredibly lucky people who live in developed countries are. Of course most people don't realise just how lucky they are. That is the truth and I come from Africa. I can tell you that I know I'm lucky to at least live in a country where the government doesn't hate white people for what they did to black people just 30 years ago, I guess we are blessed to have had someone like Nelson Mandela emerge from the hate. However, The racism and Xenophobia in/from other countries in Africa is horrendous to say the least. | ||
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
On June 02 2011 19:58 Incognoto wrote: It's reading stuff like this that makes you realise how incredibly lucky people who live in developed countries are. Of course most people don't realise just how lucky they are. Absolutely. Time and time again, I see 3/4 plates full of food just dumped into bins, etc It is just pure sickening. Good society? Ha | ||
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