EPTI understand there are similar problems in China and Japan, also from the fierce competition to get into a very small number of elite universities.
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
I understand there are similar problems in China and Japan, also from the fierce competition to get into a very small number of elite universities. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On May 24 2011 11:58 WarMonkey0 wrote: They have some type of mandatory military service for young men I think. Do these University kids get to serve, or they become exempt if they they enroll? Confused. I think they can defer service due to university, but you certainly don't get to dodge it. Same deal in Singapore, except you have to go to university after army barring specific circumstances. Lotsa suicides here, too, but not for that reason - academic pressure is pretty prevalent in society. | ||
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Cubu
1171 Posts
On May 24 2011 11:00 kakaman wrote: The main issue I have with Asian culture is the fact that these skills translate to a competent contributor to society, but not necessarily one that promotes innovation and ingenuity. Case in point: Korea has arguably the best high speed internet connection in the world, yet there are no Korean equivalents to Mark Zuckerberg. You actually think mark zuckerberg is innovative? | ||
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GG.NoRe
Korea (South)1051 Posts
On May 24 2011 11:13 GeneralissimoNero wrote: They need more of the Lord. Academic success is obviously a crappy reason to live life. Korea, China, and Japan have had an incredibly high rate of suicide for a long time because of the pressure they receive. You should talk to some of the Korean exchange students in your schools. I asked these two Koreans once why they decided to come all the way to America, and they just said "My Father told me to. I must obey his wishes". Scary. I dont know if your trolling, and why you would given the issue at hand. But while were at it let me say this as well. Korea doesnt have a state or even a dominant religion. Some are Catholics, others are Buddhists, but most are just ambivalent about his concept. This is also reflected in our lives and our point of views. I am sure that if you conduct a random survey around the world, Koreans would rank in top 5 of people who totally rely on themselves. This has outlook in life is helped greatly by the economic condition in that Koreans underwent in 60s-70s, people who are parents now and elderlies. This determined how a children of the 80s-90s view life. Success is the primary motivator among Koreans. And not any success or some vague spiritual/well-being one, it means explicitly financial success. There is the singular idea millions of Koreans grew up to. And the only way to achieve this is to get to SKY university. As someone also mentioned, this is reinforced by the general decadent nature of universities and schools that are not SKY and the financial requirements to get to a "decent" university. In effect, if you don't get there, and don't maintain a good grade, you will not only be financially set back, you will also be a burden to your family (another serious Asian/Korean trait). The situation here is complex as it goes deep into the very heart of Korean culture. Fortunately, action are being done, although not fast and effective enough sometimes. And a new generation of Koreans are changing their perspective in life and success. But make no mistakes about it, up to this point, people will literally die to get a good college education. | ||
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
On May 24 2011 12:17 Cubu wrote: You actually think mark zuckerberg is innovative? Let me guess, he stole your idea for social networking? What a lying thief! | ||
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omnic
United States188 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
In general, East Asian philosophy is putting shame on one that doesn't archieve good academic result. It is not the fear of being not success in life later that make student suicide. Its the shame that make people wants to suicide. Asian parents really like to compare their children with others, so more shame if you don't success and that put a tremendous pressure on their children. All countries within the Chinese-sphere culture(China, Korea, Vietnam,Japan) have this problem and I don't think anything will be changing soon, since the thinking of success due to academic archieve has been going on in these countries for centuries. | ||
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johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On May 24 2011 12:54 johanngrunt wrote: What's the thing where they say leaving a fan on overnight will kill you? Just an urban myth, has nothing to do with this. | ||
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GeneralissimoNero
United States236 Posts
On May 24 2011 12:21 GG.NoRe wrote: I dont know if your trolling, and why you would given the issue at hand. But while were at it let me say this as well. Korea doesnt have a state or even a dominant religion. Some are Catholics, others are Buddhists, but most are just ambivalent about his concept. This is also reflected in our lives and our point of views. I am sure that if you conduct a random survey around the world, Koreans would rank in top 5 of people who totally rely on themselves. This has outlook in life is helped greatly by the economic condition in that Koreans underwent in 60s-70s, people who are parents now and elderlies. This determined how a children of the 80s-90s view life. Success is the primary motivator among Koreans. And not any success or some vague spiritual/well-being one, it means explicitly financial success. There is the singular idea millions of Koreans grew up to. And the only way to achieve this is to get to SKY university. As someone also mentioned, this is reinforced by the general decadent nature of universities and schools that are not SKY and the financial requirements to get to a "decent" university. In effect, if you don't get there, and don't maintain a good grade, you will not only be financially set back, you will also be a burden to your family (another serious Asian/Korean trait). The situation here is complex as it goes deep into the very heart of Korean culture. Fortunately, action are being done, although not fast and effective enough sometimes. And a new generation of Koreans are changing their perspective in life and success. But make no mistakes about it, up to this point, people will literally die to get a good college education. I'm not trollin' man. I'm very religious. A tenant of Christianity is that you are loved for free. If these people need to know anything it is that they are loved for free. Not their academics, not their brains, their success, anything. Just for being them. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:09 GeneralissimoNero wrote: I'm not trollin' man. I'm very religious. A tenant of Christianity is that you are loved for free. If these people need to know anything it is that they are loved for free. Not their academics, not their brains, their success, anything. Just for being them. Dont bring religion into this. Eventhough Korea has alot of Christian, the deep root in their culture is still Confucianism which value many things differently than western culture. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
This sounds a lot like what Korea is like, and I really think it is a shame. I feel a lot of the competition in America, and I choose to not try to be successful just for success's sake, which leads to a lot of consequences in society =/ I can only imagine it is much worse in Korea, and I really sympathize with the people over there who are being driven by the mindset of their society, even if it doesn't translate into them being happy. Suicide is always such a tragic topic. My prayers are going out to those in Korea who are under stress and considering suicide, and also to the families of those who have. | ||
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KMARTRULES
Australia474 Posts
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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sharky246
1197 Posts
On May 24 2011 11:00 kakaman wrote: You should all read this month's cover article in NY Mag. http://nymag.com/news/features/asian-americans-2011-5/ The main issue I have with Asian culture is the fact that these skills translate to a competent contributor to society, but not necessarily one that promotes innovation and ingenuity. Case in point: Korea has arguably the best high speed internet connection in the world, yet there are no Korean equivalents to Mark Zuckerberg. The lone exception in Japan, which has a few entrepreneurs over the years, but that country has a slightly different social dynamics than Korea/China. Except your wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation#Measures And there doesn't seem to be anything special about facebook, unless making millions of dollars is your definition of innovation and ingenuity. | ||
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blankspace
United States292 Posts
In each generation, there is only a small proportion of kids that are born with extraordinary natural talent. For these people, difficult exams are just a way for them to stand out and shine. Unfortunately this forces the rest of the multitudes of smarter-than-most but not amazing kids to study really hard and face extreme pressure to beat out all the other folks. If you're not a math or physics prodigy that can figure out difficult problems quickly on the spot, then you're going to have to study hard and solve many problems in advance... | ||
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julianto
2292 Posts
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GeneralissimoNero
United States236 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:13 Caphe wrote: Dont bring religion into this. Eventhough Korea has alot of Christian, the deep root in their culture is still Confucianism which value many things differently than western culture. Nah man I get it. Eastern thought is one of my favorite things to study. The little amount of worth they put on life in place of honor is actually inspiring. Stuff with samurai ya know? But Western thought has deeply rooted itself in Korea, more so than the Eastern thought now. If any country is still rooted in Eastern thought its Japan or China, but Korea, not so much. Also in topics of self worth religion pretty much always needs to be brought up. Its just kinda standard. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
I see similar things happen at MIT and Harvard (I live nearby) for similar reasons - ultra competitive environment with very high academic expectations sometimes... yeah. And those schools DO have a lot of "safeguards" to try and reduce it. These programs help - they range from 24/7 available suicide hotlines to having professors having basic training to recognize severe depression, but until there are zero deaths, no amount of "help" is fully sufficient. | ||
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