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Shagg
Finland825 Posts
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dreamsmasher
816 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:21 frodoguy wrote: Except your wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation#Measures And there doesn't seem to be anything special about facebook, unless making millions of dollars is your definition of innovation and ingenuity. that is an incomplete definition of innovation. asian countries have a strong record of adopting existing tech and perfecting it, but not creating paradigm shifting technologies, which is what is generally meant. this is a problem is actually acknowledged by many asian leaders, even a significant number of older generation asians feel this way. facebook actually has incredible potential, how is this even debatable lol. and yes from an economic standpoint, dollars is how you measure innovation, or at least innovation that is valued by society. | ||
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
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GeneralissimoNero
United States236 Posts
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FireBoltHero
United States66 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:13 Caphe wrote: Dont bring religion into this. Eventhough Korea has alot of Christian, the deep root in their culture is still Confucianism which value many things differently than western culture. Wouldn't matter anyway. Singapore has a high rate of academic-related suicide, and is a very Christian country - alongside other traditional cultural values. Obviously isn't Korea, but the issue of academic pressure is prevalent throughout east Asia, so the example holds. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:34 FireBoltHero wrote: suicide is everywhere, some people are just retarded like that I am sure people in top university and actor, actress that make lots of money are not retarded. You should not post something insensible like this in this kind of thread. | ||
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GeneralissimoNero
United States236 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:36 Dfgj wrote: Wouldn't matter anyway. Singapore has a high rate of academic-related suicide, and is a very Christian country - alongside other traditional cultural values. Obviously isn't Korea, but the issue of academic pressure is prevalent throughout east Asia, so the example holds. Hm. Then its probably just the academic force. ¯\(°_o)/¯ | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:36 Dfgj wrote: Wouldn't matter anyway. Singapore has a high rate of academic-related suicide, and is a very Christian country - alongside other traditional cultural values. Obviously isn't Korea, but the issue of academic pressure is prevalent throughout east Asia, so the example holds. I don't know for sure so I can't argue with you. But Singapore, most people there are Chinese which is rooted even deeper with Confucianism teaching. I dont think this problem will go away anytime soon. The gorvement can setup measure to prevent it, but to wipe out a deep rooted though from people is no easy task, esp in this kind of time where finding a decent job seems harder and harder. | ||
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GG.NoRe
Korea (South)1051 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:25 GeneralissimoNero wrote: Nah man I get it. Eastern thought is one of my favorite things to study. The little amount of worth they put on life in place of honor is actually inspiring. Stuff with samurai ya know? But Western thought has deeply rooted itself in Korea, more so than the Eastern thought now. If any country is still rooted in Eastern thought its Japan or China, but Korea, not so much. Also in topics of self worth religion pretty much always needs to be brought up. Its just kinda standard. what the f*** is this? 1. The little amount of worth they put on life in place of honor is actually inspiring. 2. Stuff with samurai ya know? ??? 3. But Western thought has deeply rooted itself in Korea, more so than the Eastern thought now. 4. If any country is still rooted in Eastern thought its Japan or China, but Korea, not so much. 5. Also in topics of self worth religion pretty much always needs to be brought up. Its just kinda standard. Every single statement you made is FALSE. What little amount worth are you saying here? It is a principle. In Korea, a life without honor is not a life at all. Samurai stuff??? Wow. Korea is not rooted in Eastern thought and Japan is China is??? This did it man. Obviously you dont know a single thing about what you are saying. This is not about religion. End of story. You got it all wrong man. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On May 24 2011 08:06 GG.NoRe wrote: The solution I think is to not make this as a knee-jerk solution, and to actually implement is as a sustainable and standard process, starting at an early age. Moreover, the government, and these centers, should actively reach out to students in a systematic yet non-obtrusive way. They can't expect the solve a serious national disaster like this to be solved by being passive. Shouldn't the solution be, instead, to focus on democratizing high quality education so more koreans can get to good schools other than the top3 everyone is obsessed about? | ||
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GG.NoRe
Korea (South)1051 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:44 VIB wrote: Shouldn't the solution be, instead, to focus on democratizing high quality education so more koreans can get to good schools other than the top3 everyone is obsessed about? I agree. Thats the long term and deep root solution to the problem | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:40 Caphe wrote: I don't know for sure so I can't argue with you. But Singapore, most people there are Chinese which is rooted even deeper with Confucianism teaching. I dont think this problem will go away anytime soon. The gorvement can setup measure to prevent it, but to wipe out a deep rooted though from people is no easy task, esp in this kind of time where finding a decent job seems harder and harder. You're quite correct, but the majority of the country also identifies as Christian (as do a large number of the schools) - traditional values are certainly still present, but it's enough to say that religion isn't a decider in this. The overall mentality of linking academic success to personal worth is extremely heavily ingrained, and is as unlikely to change as it would be for the US to adopt East Asian academic mentalities. There's no pressure for it to do so - the 'study hard, get into school, get a job etc' path does work for a lot of people here, because that's how the system is set up. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:44 VIB wrote: Shouldn't the solution be, instead, to focus on democratizing high quality education so more koreans can get to good schools other than the top3 everyone is obsessed about? And how would you do that? The system in place is a meritocracy, right from the start - you get into better schools by results. If you simply make it easier for people to get into 'good schools', then those schools would no longer be as good because they don't have the basis of a high standard of academic requirements - and therefore, they would have less prestige, thus weakening the value of going there in the first place. Note that these schools are 'good' partially because of the limited acceptances and the students going there. The system is extremely fair, just incredibly harsh due to how competitive it is. | ||
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GeneralissimoNero
United States236 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:40 GG.NoRe wrote: what the f*** is this? 1. The little amount of worth they put on life in place of honor is actually inspiring. 2. Stuff with samurai ya know? ??? 3. But Western thought has deeply rooted itself in Korea, more so than the Eastern thought now. 4. If any country is still rooted in Eastern thought its Japan or China, but Korea, not so much. 5. Also in topics of self worth religion pretty much always needs to be brought up. Its just kinda standard. Every single statement you made is FALSE. What little amount worth are you saying here? It is a principle. In Korea, a life without honor is not a life at all. Samurai stuff??? Wow. Korea is not rooted in Eastern thought and Japan is China is??? This did it man. Obviously you dont know a single thing about what you are saying. This is not about religion. End of story. You got it all wrong man. [/QUOTE] Whoa calm down man. I'm an ignorant American, and what I learn about East Asia, I learn from the internet. Let me restate what I mean. I said that Korea isn't AS rooted in Eastern thought as Japan and China. It is still rooted REALLY deep though. But you guys have a higher rate of Christianity (the epitome of western thought) than both China and Japan combined multiplied 5 times over. And I'm not making that statistic up. 1. There was nothing wrong with this statement. Dulce et decorum est. A lot of people believe it. 2. I'm an anime geek, I like samurai stuff. I've read all the lame books. They care about honor quite a lot. No disagreeing there. 3. Western thought is deeply rooted in Korea. You have more Christians than Buddhists. 4. Yes. What you said is correct. 5. Yes, it is. Psychiatrists have to have a basic understanding of religion, because yes, patients will bring it up a lot. As you said though, its not about religion. I guess its more personal for me. Moving from Atheism to Christianity for me was really important to me and helped my depression a lot more than the pills. I just assumed that it might be the same for others. But as the Singapore statistic pointed out, it is not. | ||
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
I realize that there was the whole imperial bureaucracy in ancient China which ran along similar lines, but I think the Chinese peasantry were much worse off in those times as well than their western counterparts (historians may want to call me out on this). | ||
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:29 RaLakedaimon wrote: Sounds like the government should fix the way the school system is setup and make programs to help reach out to the public to teach parents and all others involved that school is important but not that damn important, not important enough to die for. No reason to stress out entire generations of school kids this way, Asian country or not it seems ridiculous. If the adults want to hold themselves to insanely high standards than do so but don't force feed stress to young people who aren't as capable of handling it mentally (although physically seem as though they would be better equipped for of course). Just my two cents. You HAVE to make school a priority and make it into a habit else you're putting yourself in a disadvantage. You will never realize your full potential if you do not push to the limit. The US keeps asking themselves: "what's wrong with our school system? why is it lacking to other countries?" ...a lot of the policies done seem to center around Teachers and pay. Make the teacher "better" is their solution. But imho, its probably the lack to push the kids to the limit. (anyway will probably elaborate more one day when I have the time). | ||
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
There is just way to much pressure on studies, as in, if you get somewhere around 90% your okay, but below that is plain average. Quite weird. And whats worse is people who get into these top schools dont realize that it's going to get tougher there, because everyone is going to be a slogger, and when they dont do as well as they expect to, you end with headlines like student found hanging in college room, forgetting the fact that even if they go down to the last guy in their class, they are still regarded to be higher than a vast majority of the population. | ||
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GG.NoRe
Korea (South)1051 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:52 GeneralissimoNero wrote: Whoa calm down man. I'm an ignorant American, and what I learn about East Asia, I learn from the internet. Let me restate what I mean. I said that Korea isn't AS rooted in Eastern thought as Japan and China. It is still rooted REALLY deep though. But you guys have a higher rate of Christianity (the epitome of western thought) than both China and Japan combined multiplied 5 times over. And I'm not making that statistic up. 1. There was nothing wrong with this statement. Dulce et decorum est. A lot of people believe it. 2. I'm an anime geek, I like samurai stuff. I've read all the lame books. They care about honor quite a lot. No disagreeing there. 3. Western thought is deeply rooted in Korea. You have more Christians than Buddhists. 4. Yes. What you said is correct. 5. Yes, it is. Psychiatrists have to have a basic understanding of religion, because yes, patients will bring it up a lot. As you said though, its not about religion. I guess its more personal for me. Moving from Atheism to Christianity for me was really important to me and helped my depression a lot more than the pills. I just assumed that it might be the same for others. But as the Singapore statistic pointed out, it is not. Please don't do this here. | ||
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GeneralissimoNero
United States236 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:59 Redmark wrote: I of course can't speak for everyone, but as a Chinese student I've never heard of anybody doing what they do because "it's Confucian" (literally or figuratively). I really do think that as somebody said near the start of the thread much of the attitude is simply based on how poor these countries have been in the recent past. Even as they industrialize a large proportion of the population of the East Asian countries is left behind. Only a generation ago Asia was in every economic and academic sense (the senses which allow parents to be human and not 'tiger mothers' clawing antelopes to feed their young) behind. Two generations ago Korea and China were getting destroyed by Japan, which itself got destroyed in turn. I realize that there was the whole imperial bureaucracy in ancient China which ran along similar lines, but I think the Chinese peasantry were much worse off in those times as well than their western counterparts (historians may want to call me out on this). Sometimes I feel like we over-analyze everything in the west. We have doctors who study teen behaviors and lame stuff like that. My mom went to this seminar once and heard the speaker say that students don't raise their hand in class because we feel that we would be placing ourselves in the "nerd" clique, and that there is pressure to be academically neutral. When all along the reason we don't raise our hands in class is because we don't give a damn what the answer to number 27 was. Here we are, deciding that the reason you guys have so much academic pressure is because of the Eastern way of thought rooted deeply in the thousands of years of history. Lol. Guess its not that big of a deal. | ||
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