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People using the argument that archery/shooting is in the Olympics and therefore eSports has a place as well, there is a huge difference here.
Archery is one of the core events of the old Olympic games, meaning that they competed in it back in Greece. Now, this lead to people picking up the sport for the first modern Olympic game and from there the ball has just been rolling.
The reason gun-shooting is in the Olympics is that most of the people contending in it back in the days where military personnel and it was only natural for them to add shooting.
Now, I oppose the addition of any new games to the Olympics. It's already too clustered, it's better with fewer, "cleaner" events so that you can follow them all and cheer.
That means, eliminate sports such as wrestling (sooooo much bribery), golf(It's not epic in the Olympic was) and all the gimmicky sports.
I love eSports but if it joined the Olympics I would personally attempt to bring the scene down to stop the madness.
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On May 23 2011 02:44 sovetskysoyuz wrote:PROs- Olympics needs to keep up with the times, and the very definition of sports is changing as well. To include ESports in its events will be a correct move to this direction.
- In continuation to the item above, adding ESports will also bring in new and younger audience which will invigorate an "old event"
- There is obviously a significant physical requirement in ESports. To distinguish between degrees of physical exertion required is nitpicking.
- All the elements of traditional sports are present in ESports - mental acuity, concentration, coordination, reflex, even physical condition. To still differentiate the two after this fact is already being elitist.
What do you think?
Really surprised that you can't see your own bias in writing such things.
* The olympics is up with the times. If you want events for the youth of today then consider the likes of under 21 football, rugby sevens, basketball and BMX. I'm pretty sure some young people like those
* Olympics may or may not benefit from additional audiences, but esports will not really do that. We get a hard-on for audiences of 50,000 on a stream. The normal olympic audiences are in the billions.
* As you know the Olympics is an ancient athletic event. E-sports is certainly not that. Thats not really nitpicking at all.
Also, above discussion notwithstanding, it takes a MASSIVE fan base for a sport to become an olympic sport. Consider how huge Golf is world-wide, and it has only just managed to make it in. Also consider that the ability for a sport to be easily followed by the uninitiated is also a massive factor in whether it can be an olympic sport
edit: on the shooting point - I think there are quite different standards to be aware of for a sport remaining in the olympics and a sport joining the olympics. To an extent, once you're in you're in, but that doesn't mean a sport on the margin of the olympic values (such as shooting) can set a precedent for further fringe sports.
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I find it quite weird that people seem so passionate about the matter.
In my eyes, there are no technichal differences that disqualifies e-sports from being at the olympics. However, there are lots and lots of video games, and more importantly, they are usually updated/changed/newer versions come etc. so it would be kind of strange to have a bunch of events that change from year to year, it makes alot more sense to keep e-sports to itself, as a WCG type event. The e-sport culture in korea does not really have many differences from the way other sports are competed in, so it is def. possible that there will be official committees etc in the future of e-sports on a global scale, I would hope so at least.
I don't really see the point of adding e-sports to the olympics though, but it is not impossible that the future will hold e-sports players in the same regard as olympic athletes, I mean, I bet alot of people here already does that.
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People are forgetting something that's pretty big. Before ESPORTS can be considered an olympic sport, it has to be considered a sport. It's not about what physical and what's not. Chess is a sport.
There is no Swedish Federation of Starcraft, or american, or even korean, the set of rules that guide it are what's imposed by the game itself, or you could say by Blizzard, and the competitions individually, but it's hard to say they are comparable to an organization like FIFA or FIBA. Kespa may be a little closer, for BW, in Korea, but it's not exactly it.
"How does a sport become Olympic?
To make it onto the Olympic programme, a sport first has to be recognised: it must be administered by an International Federation which ensures that the sport's activities follow the Olympic Charter. If it is widely practised around the world and meets a number of criteria established by the IOC session, a recognised sport may be added to the Olympic programme on the recommendation of the IOC's Olympic Programme Commission. "
Extracted from the Olympic website.
There are tons of sports hoping to become part of the Olympics, some with a lot more players than ESPORTS, and by players I mean people that chose that sport to compete in, not play for leisure.
I actually don't understand why the writer took some much time writing about the valors or ESPORTs and all, but forget maybe the biggest thing, something that doesn't depend on their end, but ours, first we need an International Federation of ESPORTS, and I don't see that happening soon.
Some links I've found, while making this post, because I wasn't completelly sure of the regulations myself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_sport
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_federation
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I personally see no problem with the concept of virtual games joining the Olympics. However, I do not believe that computer gaming is well established enough to have the social acceptance required to get into the Olympics.
Basically, I don't think that for the near future, Esports will have any place in the Olympics.
And if you try to predict beyond the "near future", maybe a century from now, there's really no telling what computer gaming will have evolved into. So, there's not much point in pondering it.
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Personally as much as I love Esports I do not think it should be apart of the traditional olympic games for a few reasons:
1- I don't even agree with the definition you gave for the Olympics or how they are now, I always saw the Olympics as the ultimate place for competition in the most simplistic forms of being better than other people physically i.e. running, swimming, throwing, jumping.
2- The term "Esports" could not be a part of the Olympics because it is far to general of a term, it would have to be either one game or one game would need to completely take over the term of Esport i.e. Starcraft 2 or DotA or something would have to become The Esport.
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Should put a poll in.
I honestly could careless about seeing Esports in the olympics. I would rather see the major organizations we have now, popularized and more mainstream.
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ESports already has events that are far better suited for them. The Olympics is not the place for Esports I would say...
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On May 23 2011 05:52 imperator-xy wrote:
but at the olympics there are events where you just stand around and use a gun to shoot baloons. i think you wont tell me that this is more physical than esport
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additionally, while at chess you dont need any physical ability at all, you have to be good with your mouse and keyboard at esports. that is a physical thing, even though you dont need to run 30km
It definitely is. You have to hold and aim a weapon that weighs like 5 kg or so, and be able to control your breathing so you don't miss.
you want to compare that to sitting in a chair? lol
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Maybe in 30 years when everyone plug themselves into a computer.
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Another thing is not many people will understand whats going on, where as in most sports you have simple goals/what your aiming to do (getting ball into basket, into goal etc) where as if say some guy does a awesome drop, on bw, the people from around the world wont really get whats happening.
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On May 23 2011 02:44 sovetskysoyuz wrote:
There has been significant buzz lately over plans to include E-Sports (also referred to as Egames or gaming), a general term to describe computer/video-based games, in the 2012 London Olympics. Some Olympics official are becoming more and more sympathetic to this cause.
I also object to this as it is a complete falsification (either by the OP, or whoever he/she got it from).
The sports for the 2012 olympics have been locked in for at least 6 years. Even Brazil 2016 has been closed for over 12 months. So there are absolutely NO plans for it to be in 2012
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Not all competitions have to be in the Olympics. Why on Earth would eSports, a hugely divided and volatile "sport" (if you even want to call it that, and most people wouldn't) deserve in? It makes no sense whatsoever. The Olympics already "keeps up with the times" (too much in my opinion) with some of their newer additions and has no need to bring in the comparably tiny eSports audience that isn't already interested.
This would honestly just be embarrassing. I love eSports but the Olympics is for highly established sports. We haven't even had BW pro gaming for much more than a decade and it's seen as the pillar of stability, despite the fact that it has a sequel which is more popular everywhere but one country, has only just had legal disputes settled, and really doesn't have any international acclaim.
There is also the issue that no one owns the rights to football or running or swimming or even chess. Any eSport game picked up for the Olympics would have to be public property and I don't know of any competitive games like that.
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I don't think the Olympics should include E-Sports for most of the cons listed, and I think the audience is large enough that there isn't a need to "invigorate" it.
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Most likly not gna happen but you can always wish !
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On May 23 2011 09:32 Retgery wrote:
Should put a poll in.
I honestly could careless about seeing Esports in the olympics. I would rather see the major organizations we have now, popularized and more mainstream.
I'll do it.
Poll: Should ESports be an Olympic eventNo (17) 89% Yes (2) 11% 19 total votes Your vote: Should ESports be an Olympic event (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Also, I think if anything this discussion, not only in TL but also officially, is good. Having this is public discourse is a start if it is to be considered at all eventually. Personally I'm not sure yet whether it should be Olympic, or sports at all, but bringing it to the public is a good step forward as it sheds some light into the topic and gives it some publicity.
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i agree with the elitist satement, but it is what it is, could you imagine the QQ by the older generation if this happened
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for those of you making chess argument, chess just shouldn't be the olympics.
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I agree with Oopsoopsbaby. It is just not going to happen. Whether you like it or not. Even many "traditional" sports dont make it to the Olympics
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