On May 10 2011 12:44 Red Dust wrote: Never understood homophobia, especially in these most despicable forms. If a man wants to love another man it does no damage to you or anybody else. Let the boys play.
Petition signed.
Yea seriously, I don't like homosexuality but I don't see why their private, consensual activities should be regulated.
Ever think that maybe it's the non private stuff they are trying to stop? Are gay pride parades necessary in order to be gay? Is committing sex acts in public places like washrooms, locker rooms where ever else it's possible to do it that's not private property.
I'll say it again, if they want to be gay go ahead. I just don't want to see it. If I wanted to I'd look for it.
FYI I'm against the death issue but I still don't like them.
You cant seriously try to make an argument with that whole parade thing. Gays arent the only ones that have pride parades. There are marches for equality all over the world all the time, for all sorts of reasons, and I dont see everyone saying equality is gross. As for the sex acts in public places, the majority of acts done in those places are by straight people, so that's not a valid argument either. It's not any more or less appropriate if a straight couple does it.
EDIT: Just fixed a really bad mistake where I said "are" rather than "arent".
On May 10 2011 15:09 Chairman Ray wrote: Wait a minute, so this only applies to homosexual statutory rape and deliberate HIV transferal? That makes a lot more sense, but I don't get why they would only target gays.
On May 10 2011 12:44 Red Dust wrote: Never understood homophobia, especially in these most despicable forms. If a man wants to love another man it does no damage to you or anybody else. Let the boys play.
Petition signed.
Yea seriously, I don't like homosexuality but I don't see why their private, consensual activities should be regulated.
Ever think that maybe it's the non private stuff they are trying to stop? Are gay pride parades necessary in order to be gay? Is committing sex acts in public places like washrooms, locker rooms where ever else it's possible to do it that's not private property.
I'll say it again, if they want to be gay go ahead. I just don't want to see it. If I wanted to I'd look for it.
FYI I'm against the death issue but I still don't like them.
You cant seriously try to make an argument with that whole parade thing. Gays are the only ones that have pride parades. There are marches for equality all over the world all the time, for all sorts of reasons, and I dont see everyone saying equality is gross. As for the sex acts in public places, the majority of acts done in those places are by straight people, so that's not a valid argument either. It's not any more or less appropriate if a straight couple does it.
Theyre having a gay pride parade? To the guillotines and let there be cake!
However well done with the troll you got one.
In the unlikely event it was not a troll, then clearly the better law would have been a crackdown on flaunting sexuality publicly not put to death teh gayz. However remember this is africa, the whole continent has been having an identity crisis for some time now. When humanity left the cradle of civilization, much of africa stopped progressing or atleast very slowly, when reunited with the rest of the world in the modern age they've had to deal with a huge amount of issues bombarding them and things like this are just normal (i didnt say right) traditionalist responses to a rapid changing cultural identity.
On May 10 2011 12:28 Highlight wrote: is this serious? jeez death penalty? why aren't the major news networks covering this?
MSNBC is busy telling Republicans that they didn't do shit to help get Osama. Fox is busy telling Democrats that enhanced interrogations work. CNN is lost in their situation room.
I can't say for sure about all these networks (and I especially doubt FOX has covered it), but several programs on MSNBC have been covering this story for the past year or so. The Rachel Maddow Show in particular has covered it extensively. Maddow, who is gay herself, even had the MP in Uganda who sponsored this bill on her program and showed EXTREME restraint.
The interview is worth watching in its entirety. I think the average viewer will be shocked at some of the outlandish and blatantly false claims that have led to this bill gaining traction.
On May 10 2011 12:44 Red Dust wrote: Never understood homophobia, especially in these most despicable forms. If a man wants to love another man it does no damage to you or anybody else. Let the boys play.
Petition signed.
In Uganda it basically comes from some christian fundamentalists from the US, wasn't there also a Louis Theroux documentary about that stuff? It was something from the BBC, not the one I posted on page1 though, where they got a bit behind the reason for that anti-gay movement.
yea, it's basically what Evangelicals in America want. There's millions of dollars pouring into these African countries from Evangelical preachers in America funding this kind of crap. They figure they can setup a theocracy much easier in Africa and it'll spread to the West.
Pinning it on American Evangelicals at large is a little much, but the connection to powerful Christian interests in the US is important to make.
The bill has an American genesis of sorts, inspired to a large extent by the visits of U.S. evangelicals who are involved with a movement that promotes Christianity's role in getting homosexuals to become "ex-gays" through prayer and faith. Ugandan supporters of the bill appear to be particularly impressed by the ideas of Scott Lively, a California conservative preacher who has written a book, The Pink Swastika, about what he calls the links between Nazism and a gay agenda for world domination, which, by itself, would have raised the anti-colonial sensitivities of Ugandan society.
The interview is worth watching in its entirety. I think the average viewer will be shocked at some of the outlandish and blatantly false claims that have led to this bill gaining traction.
On May 10 2011 12:44 Red Dust wrote: Never understood homophobia, especially in these most despicable forms. If a man wants to love another man it does no damage to you or anybody else. Let the boys play.
Petition signed.
In Uganda it basically comes from some christian fundamentalists from the US, wasn't there also a Louis Theroux documentary about that stuff? It was something from the BBC, not the one I posted on page1 though, where they got a bit behind the reason for that anti-gay movement.
yea, it's basically what Evangelicals in America want. There's millions of dollars pouring into these African countries from Evangelical preachers in America funding this kind of crap. They figure they can setup a theocracy much easier in Africa and it'll spread to the West.
Pinning it on American Evangelicals at large is a little much, but the connection to powerful Christian interests in the US is important to make.
The bill has an American genesis of sorts, inspired to a large extent by the visits of U.S. evangelicals who are involved with a movement that promotes Christianity's role in getting homosexuals to become "ex-gays" through prayer and faith. Ugandan supporters of the bill appear to be particularly impressed by the ideas of Scott Lively, a California conservative preacher who has written a book, The Pink Swastika, about what he calls the links between Nazism and a gay agenda for world domination, which, by itself, would have raised the anti-colonial sensitivities of Ugandan society.
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If I didn't barf at the sight of Maddow I might consider watching this. MSNBC is such a joke as well.
While there is no doubt that this bill is absolutely horrible and wrong, I question that an online petition from American netizens would even be noticed in the voting. Let's hope it doesn't pass, and Uganda starts getting its act together.
(On a related tangent, it's kind of sad that we (Americans) don't get fired up all the time about bills that get sent through Congress. We just kind of sit back and bitch about things much more than trying to do anything (And I'm guilty of that as well...).) :-/
Yea, it's basically what Evangelicals in America want. There's millions of dollars pouring into these African countries from Evangelical preachers in America funding this kind of crap. They figure they can setup a theocracy much easier in Africa and it'll spread to the West.[/QUOTE]
If you seriously think Evangelicals as a whole are in favor of this you are more closed minded than you claim Evangelicals to be. I'm sorry for whatever christian, or maybe the media, has led you to feel this way.
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On May 10 2011 15:32 Halcyondaze wrote: If you seriously think Evangelicals as a whole are in favor of this you are more closed minded than you claim Evangelicals to be. I'm sorry for whatever christian, or maybe the media, has led you to feel this way.
Reason he feels that way is because some idiot evangelical group from over here helped convince a few Uguandan congressmen that such a bill was a good idea.
On May 10 2011 14:34 Moody wrote: Wait, soo.. in a country where somewhere between 5-10% of the population is infected with HIV, and gay males are statistically more likely to contract HIV, they're trying to pass a law to criminalize homosexual intercourse? Stop the fucking presses, this shit is out of hand.
On May 10 2011 12:54 Redunzl wrote: How about you stay away from Uganda if you don't like this. Who are you to tell a sovereign nation how to legislate.
I'm in the same boat with the Redunzl on this one.
Let me get this straight. You're saying that the Ugandans are trying to save gay people from contracting HIV by executing them?
This post has to set some kind of record for sheer stupidity.
On May 10 2011 15:56 TheGreatWhiteHope_ wrote: It's odd they think all homosexuals eat each other's crap. They must have em' mixed up with the Germans.
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