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Well, this thread has been enlightening. There are a lot more homophobic morons on TL than I thought.
It's absolutely sickening that there are people on these forums who support legal repercussions for being gay.
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On May 11 2011 11:06 wzzit wrote:
Well, this thread has been enlightening. There are a lot more homophobic morons on TL than I thought.
This is what we got with the rise of StarCraft II. But I guess TL is the most gay friendly gaming site in the world. We can be grateful for that.
But you have to feel sorry for homophobes. If you are not gay, it is so hard to understand why anyone wants to be gay. Also, enough with the bigotry about religion causing homophobia. The Soviet Union and Communist China are proof that even with religion, homophobia still exists. But oddly enough, the first modern ruler to give gays protection and remove homosexuality as a mental illness was Lenin.
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On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 10:56 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 10:47 wwer wrote:On May 11 2011 10:36 iTzAnglory wrote:On May 11 2011 10:16 durza wrote:On May 11 2011 10:12 iTzAnglory wrote:
I would give up to 5 years of imprisonment for being gay, but not the death penalty. Though I despise homosexuality in every way, I will still sign the bill as the punishment is too ridiculous. Honestly, I would only punish if it was homosexuality being displayed in public.
Btw I noticed the new update on TL at the top of the page, calling it. I would really like to know how you could justify giving some one five years in prison for being gay, I mean violent criminals in some cases don't get that many years, and being gay doesn't exactly hurt any one else. Really bigoted in my opinion Ontopic: Terrible thing, I signed, and I really hope that Uganda reconsiders. Welcome to the world's justice system, that is a bit harsh I guess. Maybe a few months then. Either justify criminalizing homosexuality without resorting to bigotry, or withdraw this opinion. Even if you're just trolling, there is no excuse for presenting the criminalization homosexuality as a legitimate political stance. I fully support what he says. Maybe two months in jail until they straighten out. You ever hear the bible supporting gay marriage? Islam? Judaism? First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy. (It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...)
I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples?
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On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 10:56 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 10:47 wwer wrote:On May 11 2011 10:36 iTzAnglory wrote:On May 11 2011 10:16 durza wrote:On May 11 2011 10:12 iTzAnglory wrote:
I would give up to 5 years of imprisonment for being gay, but not the death penalty. Though I despise homosexuality in every way, I will still sign the bill as the punishment is too ridiculous. Honestly, I would only punish if it was homosexuality being displayed in public.
Btw I noticed the new update on TL at the top of the page, calling it. I would really like to know how you could justify giving some one five years in prison for being gay, I mean violent criminals in some cases don't get that many years, and being gay doesn't exactly hurt any one else. Really bigoted in my opinion Ontopic: Terrible thing, I signed, and I really hope that Uganda reconsiders. Welcome to the world's justice system, that is a bit harsh I guess. Maybe a few months then. Either justify criminalizing homosexuality without resorting to bigotry, or withdraw this opinion. Even if you're just trolling, there is no excuse for presenting the criminalization homosexuality as a legitimate political stance. I fully support what he says. Maybe two months in jail until they straighten out. You ever hear the bible supporting gay marriage? Islam? Judaism? First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy. (It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...) I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples?
Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy.
edit: meh, just in case you're not trolling - regardless of what you personally do, our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't.
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On May 11 2011 11:13 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 10:56 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 10:47 wwer wrote:On May 11 2011 10:36 iTzAnglory wrote:On May 11 2011 10:16 durza wrote:On May 11 2011 10:12 iTzAnglory wrote:
I would give up to 5 years of imprisonment for being gay, but not the death penalty. Though I despise homosexuality in every way, I will still sign the bill as the punishment is too ridiculous. Honestly, I would only punish if it was homosexuality being displayed in public.
Btw I noticed the new update on TL at the top of the page, calling it. I would really like to know how you could justify giving some one five years in prison for being gay, I mean violent criminals in some cases don't get that many years, and being gay doesn't exactly hurt any one else. Really bigoted in my opinion Ontopic: Terrible thing, I signed, and I really hope that Uganda reconsiders. Welcome to the world's justice system, that is a bit harsh I guess. Maybe a few months then. Either justify criminalizing homosexuality without resorting to bigotry, or withdraw this opinion. Even if you're just trolling, there is no excuse for presenting the criminalization homosexuality as a legitimate political stance. I fully support what he says. Maybe two months in jail until they straighten out. You ever hear the bible supporting gay marriage? Islam? Judaism? First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy. (It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...) I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples? Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy.
Who's trolling? Saying that just is just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me.
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On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:13 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 10:56 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 10:47 wwer wrote:On May 11 2011 10:36 iTzAnglory wrote:On May 11 2011 10:16 durza wrote:On May 11 2011 10:12 iTzAnglory wrote:
I would give up to 5 years of imprisonment for being gay, but not the death penalty. Though I despise homosexuality in every way, I will still sign the bill as the punishment is too ridiculous. Honestly, I would only punish if it was homosexuality being displayed in public.
Btw I noticed the new update on TL at the top of the page, calling it. I would really like to know how you could justify giving some one five years in prison for being gay, I mean violent criminals in some cases don't get that many years, and being gay doesn't exactly hurt any one else. Really bigoted in my opinion Ontopic: Terrible thing, I signed, and I really hope that Uganda reconsiders. Welcome to the world's justice system, that is a bit harsh I guess. Maybe a few months then. Either justify criminalizing homosexuality without resorting to bigotry, or withdraw this opinion. Even if you're just trolling, there is no excuse for presenting the criminalization homosexuality as a legitimate political stance. I fully support what he says. Maybe two months in jail until they straighten out. You ever hear the bible supporting gay marriage? Islam? Judaism? First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy. (It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...) I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples? Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy. Who's trolling? Saying that just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me.
Meh, I added a little tidbit in my previous post to humor you - but let me just say that I find it quite implausible that you follow every ceremonial law of the Old Testament. that is what leads me to think that you're trolling. Also, the fact that you seem to think most Americans would agree with you is just wrong. A quick google turned up this result which suggests that slightly over half of Americans support gay marriage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slim-majority-back-gay-marriage-post-abc-poll-says/2011/03/17/ABhMc7o_story.html
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On May 11 2011 11:18 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:13 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 10:56 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 10:47 wwer wrote:On May 11 2011 10:36 iTzAnglory wrote:On May 11 2011 10:16 durza wrote:On May 11 2011 10:12 iTzAnglory wrote:
I would give up to 5 years of imprisonment for being gay, but not the death penalty. Though I despise homosexuality in every way, I will still sign the bill as the punishment is too ridiculous. Honestly, I would only punish if it was homosexuality being displayed in public.
Btw I noticed the new update on TL at the top of the page, calling it. I would really like to know how you could justify giving some one five years in prison for being gay, I mean violent criminals in some cases don't get that many years, and being gay doesn't exactly hurt any one else. Really bigoted in my opinion Ontopic: Terrible thing, I signed, and I really hope that Uganda reconsiders. Welcome to the world's justice system, that is a bit harsh I guess. Maybe a few months then. Either justify criminalizing homosexuality without resorting to bigotry, or withdraw this opinion. Even if you're just trolling, there is no excuse for presenting the criminalization homosexuality as a legitimate political stance. I fully support what he says. Maybe two months in jail until they straighten out. You ever hear the bible supporting gay marriage? Islam? Judaism? First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy. (It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...) I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples? Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy. Who's trolling? Saying that just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me. Meh, I added a little tidbit in my previous post to humor you - but let me just say that I find it quite implausible that you follow every ceremonial law of the Old Testament. that is what leads me to think that you're trolling. Also, the fact that you seem to think most Americans would agree with you is just wrong. A quick google turned up this result which suggests that slightly over half of Americans support gay marriage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slim-majority-back-gay-marriage-post-abc-poll-says/2011/03/17/ABhMc7o_story.html
Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament.
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On May 11 2011 10:56 DatBoiRijad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 10:47 wwer wrote:On May 11 2011 10:36 iTzAnglory wrote:On May 11 2011 10:16 durza wrote:On May 11 2011 10:12 iTzAnglory wrote:
I would give up to 5 years of imprisonment for being gay, but not the death penalty. Though I despise homosexuality in every way, I will still sign the bill as the punishment is too ridiculous. Honestly, I would only punish if it was homosexuality being displayed in public.
Btw I noticed the new update on TL at the top of the page, calling it. I would really like to know how you could justify giving some one five years in prison for being gay, I mean violent criminals in some cases don't get that many years, and being gay doesn't exactly hurt any one else. Really bigoted in my opinion Ontopic: Terrible thing, I signed, and I really hope that Uganda reconsiders. Welcome to the world's justice system, that is a bit harsh I guess. Maybe a few months then. Either justify criminalizing homosexuality without resorting to bigotry, or withdraw this opinion. Even if you're just trolling, there is no excuse for presenting the criminalization homosexuality as a legitimate political stance. I fully support what he says. Maybe two months in jail until they straighten out. You ever hear the bible supporting gay marriage? Islam? Judaism?
Scripture is not and will never be sufficient grounds for legislation.
To answer your question, yes;
http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/219_liberals_recognise_c.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/05/national/05church.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/31/quakers-gay-marriage
Either justify criminalizing homosexuality without resorting to bigotry, or withdraw this opinion.
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On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 10:56 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 10:47 wwer wrote:On May 11 2011 10:36 iTzAnglory wrote:On May 11 2011 10:16 durza wrote:On May 11 2011 10:12 iTzAnglory wrote:
I would give up to 5 years of imprisonment for being gay, but not the death penalty. Though I despise homosexuality in every way, I will still sign the bill as the punishment is too ridiculous. Honestly, I would only punish if it was homosexuality being displayed in public.
Btw I noticed the new update on TL at the top of the page, calling it. I would really like to know how you could justify giving some one five years in prison for being gay, I mean violent criminals in some cases don't get that many years, and being gay doesn't exactly hurt any one else. Really bigoted in my opinion Ontopic: Terrible thing, I signed, and I really hope that Uganda reconsiders. Welcome to the world's justice system, that is a bit harsh I guess. Maybe a few months then. Either justify criminalizing homosexuality without resorting to bigotry, or withdraw this opinion. Even if you're just trolling, there is no excuse for presenting the criminalization homosexuality as a legitimate political stance. I fully support what he says. Maybe two months in jail until they straighten out. You ever hear the bible supporting gay marriage? Islam? Judaism? First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy. (It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...) I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples?
Ever heard of separation of church and state?
Being religious isn't a requirement to be president, and swearing on the bible isn't a requirement either.
Religion shouldn't matter because it is one of the least important things in the world, but makes itself the most important because billions of people will swear to their religion and kill others because of it.
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On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:13 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 10:56 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 10:47 wwer wrote:On May 11 2011 10:36 iTzAnglory wrote:On May 11 2011 10:16 durza wrote:On May 11 2011 10:12 iTzAnglory wrote:
I would give up to 5 years of imprisonment for being gay, but not the death penalty. Though I despise homosexuality in every way, I will still sign the bill as the punishment is too ridiculous. Honestly, I would only punish if it was homosexuality being displayed in public.
Btw I noticed the new update on TL at the top of the page, calling it. I would really like to know how you could justify giving some one five years in prison for being gay, I mean violent criminals in some cases don't get that many years, and being gay doesn't exactly hurt any one else. Really bigoted in my opinion Ontopic: Terrible thing, I signed, and I really hope that Uganda reconsiders. Welcome to the world's justice system, that is a bit harsh I guess. Maybe a few months then. Either justify criminalizing homosexuality without resorting to bigotry, or withdraw this opinion. Even if you're just trolling, there is no excuse for presenting the criminalization homosexuality as a legitimate political stance. I fully support what he says. Maybe two months in jail until they straighten out. You ever hear the bible supporting gay marriage? Islam? Judaism? First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy. (It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...) I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples? Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy. Who's trolling? Saying that just is just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me.
No dude, the majority of Americans most definitely DO NOT agree that gay people should go to jail for being gay. You're absolutely insane for thinking that your opinion represents anything more than a fringe minority.
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On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:18 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:13 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 10:56 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 10:47 wwer wrote:On May 11 2011 10:36 iTzAnglory wrote:On May 11 2011 10:16 durza wrote:
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I would really like to know how you could justify giving some one five years in prison for being gay, I mean violent criminals in some cases don't get that many years, and being gay doesn't exactly hurt any one else. Really bigoted in my opinion
Ontopic: Terrible thing, I signed, and I really hope that Uganda reconsiders. Welcome to the world's justice system, that is a bit harsh I guess. Maybe a few months then. Either justify criminalizing homosexuality without resorting to bigotry, or withdraw this opinion. Even if you're just trolling, there is no excuse for presenting the criminalization homosexuality as a legitimate political stance. I fully support what he says. Maybe two months in jail until they straighten out. You ever hear the bible supporting gay marriage? Islam? Judaism? First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy. (It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...) I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples? Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy. Who's trolling? Saying that just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me. Meh, I added a little tidbit in my previous post to humor you - but let me just say that I find it quite implausible that you follow every ceremonial law of the Old Testament. that is what leads me to think that you're trolling. Also, the fact that you seem to think most Americans would agree with you is just wrong. A quick google turned up this result which suggests that slightly over half of Americans support gay marriage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slim-majority-back-gay-marriage-post-abc-poll-says/2011/03/17/ABhMc7o_story.html Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament.
Well, again, the question really isn't about what you personally follow. As I said in my previous edit: "Our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods that we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't." Our law doesn't ban adultery, or coveting, or remarriage after divorce, or idolatry, or working on Sundays, etc. These are all laws in the New Testament that are not put into our law.
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On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:18 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:13 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 10:56 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 10:47 wwer wrote:On May 11 2011 10:36 iTzAnglory wrote:On May 11 2011 10:16 durza wrote:
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I would really like to know how you could justify giving some one five years in prison for being gay, I mean violent criminals in some cases don't get that many years, and being gay doesn't exactly hurt any one else. Really bigoted in my opinion
Ontopic: Terrible thing, I signed, and I really hope that Uganda reconsiders. Welcome to the world's justice system, that is a bit harsh I guess. Maybe a few months then. Either justify criminalizing homosexuality without resorting to bigotry, or withdraw this opinion. Even if you're just trolling, there is no excuse for presenting the criminalization homosexuality as a legitimate political stance. I fully support what he says. Maybe two months in jail until they straighten out. You ever hear the bible supporting gay marriage? Islam? Judaism? First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy. (It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...) I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples? Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy. Who's trolling? Saying that just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me. Meh, I added a little tidbit in my previous post to humor you - but let me just say that I find it quite implausible that you follow every ceremonial law of the Old Testament. that is what leads me to think that you're trolling. Also, the fact that you seem to think most Americans would agree with you is just wrong. A quick google turned up this result which suggests that slightly over half of Americans support gay marriage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slim-majority-back-gay-marriage-post-abc-poll-says/2011/03/17/ABhMc7o_story.html Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament.
Jesus says listen to his dad/himself.
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Means you gotta read the Old Testament too.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Also, the cake is a lie.
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On May 11 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:18 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:13 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 10:56 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 10:47 wwer wrote:On May 11 2011 10:36 iTzAnglory wrote:
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Welcome to the world's justice system, that is a bit harsh I guess. Maybe a few months then. Either justify criminalizing homosexuality without resorting to bigotry, or withdraw this opinion. Even if you're just trolling, there is no excuse for presenting the criminalization homosexuality as a legitimate political stance. I fully support what he says. Maybe two months in jail until they straighten out. You ever hear the bible supporting gay marriage? Islam? Judaism? First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy. (It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...) I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples? Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy. Who's trolling? Saying that just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me. Meh, I added a little tidbit in my previous post to humor you - but let me just say that I find it quite implausible that you follow every ceremonial law of the Old Testament. that is what leads me to think that you're trolling. Also, the fact that you seem to think most Americans would agree with you is just wrong. A quick google turned up this result which suggests that slightly over half of Americans support gay marriage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slim-majority-back-gay-marriage-post-abc-poll-says/2011/03/17/ABhMc7o_story.html Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament. Well, again, the question really isn't about what you personally follow. As I said in my previous edit: "Our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods that we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't." Our law doesn't ban adultery, or coveting, or remarriage after divorce, or idolatry, or working on Sundays, etc. These are all laws in the New Testament that are not put into our law.
Actually to be completely specific, those are the 10 commandments.
1st 5 are relating to the Unity of God and the sabbath etc (the weird ones)
last 5 are don't kill etc (the good ones)
And yeah, not really explicitly put down into law (except don't kill). Completely right about that part no matter what other kooks will say.
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On May 11 2011 11:29 johanngrunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:18 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:13 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 10:56 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 10:47 wwer wrote:
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Either justify criminalizing homosexuality without resorting to bigotry, or withdraw this opinion.
Even if you're just trolling, there is no excuse for presenting the criminalization homosexuality as a legitimate political stance. I fully support what he says. Maybe two months in jail until they straighten out. You ever hear the bible supporting gay marriage? Islam? Judaism? First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy. (It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...) I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples? Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy. Who's trolling? Saying that just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me. Meh, I added a little tidbit in my previous post to humor you - but let me just say that I find it quite implausible that you follow every ceremonial law of the Old Testament. that is what leads me to think that you're trolling. Also, the fact that you seem to think most Americans would agree with you is just wrong. A quick google turned up this result which suggests that slightly over half of Americans support gay marriage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slim-majority-back-gay-marriage-post-abc-poll-says/2011/03/17/ABhMc7o_story.html Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament. Well, again, the question really isn't about what you personally follow. As I said in my previous edit: "Our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods that we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't." Our law doesn't ban adultery, or coveting, or remarriage after divorce, or idolatry, or working on Sundays, etc. These are all laws in the New Testament that are not put into our law. Actually to be completely specific, those are the 10 commandments. 1st 5 are relating to the Unity of God and the sabbath etc (the weird ones) last 5 are don't kill etc (the good ones) And yeah, not really explicitly put down into law (except don't kill). Completely right about that part no matter what other kooks will say.
Yeah, our country would be a much scarier place if we actually used the Bible as the backbone for our legal system.
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On May 11 2011 11:35 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:29 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:18 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:13 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 10:56 DatBoiRijad wrote:
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I fully support what he says. Maybe two months in jail until they straighten out. You ever hear the bible supporting gay marriage? Islam? Judaism? First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy. (It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...) I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples? Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy. Who's trolling? Saying that just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me. Meh, I added a little tidbit in my previous post to humor you - but let me just say that I find it quite implausible that you follow every ceremonial law of the Old Testament. that is what leads me to think that you're trolling. Also, the fact that you seem to think most Americans would agree with you is just wrong. A quick google turned up this result which suggests that slightly over half of Americans support gay marriage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slim-majority-back-gay-marriage-post-abc-poll-says/2011/03/17/ABhMc7o_story.html Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament. Well, again, the question really isn't about what you personally follow. As I said in my previous edit: "Our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods that we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't." Our law doesn't ban adultery, or coveting, or remarriage after divorce, or idolatry, or working on Sundays, etc. These are all laws in the New Testament that are not put into our law. Actually to be completely specific, those are the 10 commandments. 1st 5 are relating to the Unity of God and the sabbath etc (the weird ones) last 5 are don't kill etc (the good ones) And yeah, not really explicitly put down into law (except don't kill). Completely right about that part no matter what other kooks will say. Yeah, our country would be a much scarier place if we actually used the Bible as the backbone for our legal system.
Are you being serious? I think you're the one who's trolling now. If we followed the bible there would be no abortion, their would be less criminals in our prisons, the list goes on and on.
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On May 11 2011 11:36 DatBoiRijad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:35 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:29 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:18 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:13 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:
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First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy.
(It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...) I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples? Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy. Who's trolling? Saying that just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me. Meh, I added a little tidbit in my previous post to humor you - but let me just say that I find it quite implausible that you follow every ceremonial law of the Old Testament. that is what leads me to think that you're trolling. Also, the fact that you seem to think most Americans would agree with you is just wrong. A quick google turned up this result which suggests that slightly over half of Americans support gay marriage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slim-majority-back-gay-marriage-post-abc-poll-says/2011/03/17/ABhMc7o_story.html Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament. Well, again, the question really isn't about what you personally follow. As I said in my previous edit: "Our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods that we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't." Our law doesn't ban adultery, or coveting, or remarriage after divorce, or idolatry, or working on Sundays, etc. These are all laws in the New Testament that are not put into our law. Actually to be completely specific, those are the 10 commandments. 1st 5 are relating to the Unity of God and the sabbath etc (the weird ones) last 5 are don't kill etc (the good ones) And yeah, not really explicitly put down into law (except don't kill). Completely right about that part no matter what other kooks will say. Yeah, our country would be a much scarier place if we actually used the Bible as the backbone for our legal system. Are you being serious? I think you're the one who's trolling now. If we followed the bible their would be no abortion, their would be less criminals in our prisons, the list goes on and on.
Nice fantasy. If you want reality, check out the Dark Ages to see what happens when you rule based on a holy book. Or look at the Middle East and see how that's working out for them.
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On May 11 2011 11:36 DatBoiRijad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:35 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:29 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:18 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:13 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:
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First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy.
(It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...) I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples? Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy. Who's trolling? Saying that just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me. Meh, I added a little tidbit in my previous post to humor you - but let me just say that I find it quite implausible that you follow every ceremonial law of the Old Testament. that is what leads me to think that you're trolling. Also, the fact that you seem to think most Americans would agree with you is just wrong. A quick google turned up this result which suggests that slightly over half of Americans support gay marriage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slim-majority-back-gay-marriage-post-abc-poll-says/2011/03/17/ABhMc7o_story.html Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament. Well, again, the question really isn't about what you personally follow. As I said in my previous edit: "Our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods that we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't." Our law doesn't ban adultery, or coveting, or remarriage after divorce, or idolatry, or working on Sundays, etc. These are all laws in the New Testament that are not put into our law. Actually to be completely specific, those are the 10 commandments. 1st 5 are relating to the Unity of God and the sabbath etc (the weird ones) last 5 are don't kill etc (the good ones) And yeah, not really explicitly put down into law (except don't kill). Completely right about that part no matter what other kooks will say. Yeah, our country would be a much scarier place if we actually used the Bible as the backbone for our legal system. Are you being serious? I think you're the one who's trolling now. If we followed the bible there would be no abortion, their would be less criminals in our prisons, the list goes on and on.
Your argument is so full of holes. I fully support using the Bible as a text to support moral codes, but bringing it over to the government violates separation of church and state. So you're saying follow the New Testament, so we should not cut our hair or wear beards either?
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On May 11 2011 11:36 DatBoiRijad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:35 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:29 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:18 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:13 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:
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First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy.
(It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...) I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples? Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy. Who's trolling? Saying that just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me. Meh, I added a little tidbit in my previous post to humor you - but let me just say that I find it quite implausible that you follow every ceremonial law of the Old Testament. that is what leads me to think that you're trolling. Also, the fact that you seem to think most Americans would agree with you is just wrong. A quick google turned up this result which suggests that slightly over half of Americans support gay marriage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slim-majority-back-gay-marriage-post-abc-poll-says/2011/03/17/ABhMc7o_story.html Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament. Well, again, the question really isn't about what you personally follow. As I said in my previous edit: "Our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods that we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't." Our law doesn't ban adultery, or coveting, or remarriage after divorce, or idolatry, or working on Sundays, etc. These are all laws in the New Testament that are not put into our law. Actually to be completely specific, those are the 10 commandments. 1st 5 are relating to the Unity of God and the sabbath etc (the weird ones) last 5 are don't kill etc (the good ones) And yeah, not really explicitly put down into law (except don't kill). Completely right about that part no matter what other kooks will say. Yeah, our country would be a much scarier place if we actually used the Bible as the backbone for our legal system. Are you being serious? I think you're the one who's trolling now. If we followed the bible there would be no abortion, their would be less criminals in our prisons, the list goes on and on.
I call Poe's Law.
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The circular logic that's going on now in this thread is making my head hurt 
On topic, I don't think this online petition will do anything, as I don't think any e-petition has done anything. Still, signed.
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On May 11 2011 11:44 johanngrunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:36 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:35 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:29 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:18 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:13 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:
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I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples? Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy. Who's trolling? Saying that just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me. Meh, I added a little tidbit in my previous post to humor you - but let me just say that I find it quite implausible that you follow every ceremonial law of the Old Testament. that is what leads me to think that you're trolling. Also, the fact that you seem to think most Americans would agree with you is just wrong. A quick google turned up this result which suggests that slightly over half of Americans support gay marriage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slim-majority-back-gay-marriage-post-abc-poll-says/2011/03/17/ABhMc7o_story.html Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament. Well, again, the question really isn't about what you personally follow. As I said in my previous edit: "Our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods that we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't." Our law doesn't ban adultery, or coveting, or remarriage after divorce, or idolatry, or working on Sundays, etc. These are all laws in the New Testament that are not put into our law. Actually to be completely specific, those are the 10 commandments. 1st 5 are relating to the Unity of God and the sabbath etc (the weird ones) last 5 are don't kill etc (the good ones) And yeah, not really explicitly put down into law (except don't kill). Completely right about that part no matter what other kooks will say. Yeah, our country would be a much scarier place if we actually used the Bible as the backbone for our legal system. Are you being serious? I think you're the one who's trolling now. If we followed the bible there would be no abortion, their would be less criminals in our prisons, the list goes on and on. I call Poe's Law.
I'm actually now guessing it's a 12-15 year old that is just spouting out things he's been indoctrinated with. The spouting out of random thoughts and mantras that don't really make much sense is quite characteristic of someone who actually hasn't done much independent thinking on their religion. I know because I was in that phase ~5 years ago.
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