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On May 11 2011 11:36 DatBoiRijad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:35 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:29 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:18 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:13 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:
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First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy.
(It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...) I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples? Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy. Who's trolling? Saying that just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me. Meh, I added a little tidbit in my previous post to humor you - but let me just say that I find it quite implausible that you follow every ceremonial law of the Old Testament. that is what leads me to think that you're trolling. Also, the fact that you seem to think most Americans would agree with you is just wrong. A quick google turned up this result which suggests that slightly over half of Americans support gay marriage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slim-majority-back-gay-marriage-post-abc-poll-says/2011/03/17/ABhMc7o_story.html Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament. Well, again, the question really isn't about what you personally follow. As I said in my previous edit: "Our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods that we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't." Our law doesn't ban adultery, or coveting, or remarriage after divorce, or idolatry, or working on Sundays, etc. These are all laws in the New Testament that are not put into our law. Actually to be completely specific, those are the 10 commandments. 1st 5 are relating to the Unity of God and the sabbath etc (the weird ones) last 5 are don't kill etc (the good ones) And yeah, not really explicitly put down into law (except don't kill). Completely right about that part no matter what other kooks will say. Yeah, our country would be a much scarier place if we actually used the Bible as the backbone for our legal system. Are you being serious? I think you're the one who's trolling now. If we followed the bible there would be no abortion, their would be less criminals in our prisons, the list goes on and on.
Isn't it fun ignoring valid points from other posters and fixating on posts that you are able to make blanket, polarizing statements against?
I am referring to the wzzit's, wwer's, and a few other people's post.
Many people dislike or disagree with homosexuality. Only extremists / bigots think that homosexuals should be convicted as criminals.
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On May 11 2011 11:48 matjlav wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:44 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:36 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:35 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:29 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:18 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:13 matjlav wrote:
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Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy. Who's trolling? Saying that just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me. Meh, I added a little tidbit in my previous post to humor you - but let me just say that I find it quite implausible that you follow every ceremonial law of the Old Testament. that is what leads me to think that you're trolling. Also, the fact that you seem to think most Americans would agree with you is just wrong. A quick google turned up this result which suggests that slightly over half of Americans support gay marriage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slim-majority-back-gay-marriage-post-abc-poll-says/2011/03/17/ABhMc7o_story.html Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament. Well, again, the question really isn't about what you personally follow. As I said in my previous edit: "Our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods that we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't." Our law doesn't ban adultery, or coveting, or remarriage after divorce, or idolatry, or working on Sundays, etc. These are all laws in the New Testament that are not put into our law. Actually to be completely specific, those are the 10 commandments. 1st 5 are relating to the Unity of God and the sabbath etc (the weird ones) last 5 are don't kill etc (the good ones) And yeah, not really explicitly put down into law (except don't kill). Completely right about that part no matter what other kooks will say. Yeah, our country would be a much scarier place if we actually used the Bible as the backbone for our legal system. Are you being serious? I think you're the one who's trolling now. If we followed the bible there would be no abortion, their would be less criminals in our prisons, the list goes on and on. I call Poe's Law. I'm actually now guessing it's a 12-15 year old that is just spouting out things he's been indoctrinated with. The spouting out of random thoughts and mantras that don't really make much sense is quite characteristic of someone who actually hasn't done much independent thinking on their religion. I know because I was in that phase ~5 years ago.
Plus the low post count.
Probably a throwaway account to derail the thread.
Stop Martin "eat da poo poo" Sempa!
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Thanks OP for posting this, ^^. Voted.
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On May 11 2011 11:51 johanngrunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:48 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:44 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:36 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:35 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:29 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:18 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:
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Who's trolling? Saying that just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me. Meh, I added a little tidbit in my previous post to humor you - but let me just say that I find it quite implausible that you follow every ceremonial law of the Old Testament. that is what leads me to think that you're trolling. Also, the fact that you seem to think most Americans would agree with you is just wrong. A quick google turned up this result which suggests that slightly over half of Americans support gay marriage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slim-majority-back-gay-marriage-post-abc-poll-says/2011/03/17/ABhMc7o_story.html Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament. Well, again, the question really isn't about what you personally follow. As I said in my previous edit: "Our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods that we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't." Our law doesn't ban adultery, or coveting, or remarriage after divorce, or idolatry, or working on Sundays, etc. These are all laws in the New Testament that are not put into our law. Actually to be completely specific, those are the 10 commandments. 1st 5 are relating to the Unity of God and the sabbath etc (the weird ones) last 5 are don't kill etc (the good ones) And yeah, not really explicitly put down into law (except don't kill). Completely right about that part no matter what other kooks will say. Yeah, our country would be a much scarier place if we actually used the Bible as the backbone for our legal system. Are you being serious? I think you're the one who's trolling now. If we followed the bible there would be no abortion, their would be less criminals in our prisons, the list goes on and on. I call Poe's Law. I'm actually now guessing it's a 12-15 year old that is just spouting out things he's been indoctrinated with. The spouting out of random thoughts and mantras that don't really make much sense is quite characteristic of someone who actually hasn't done much independent thinking on their religion. I know because I was in that phase ~5 years ago. Plus the low post count. Probably a throwaway account to derail the thread. Stop Martin "eat da poo poo" Sempa!
A little digging, and it seems that my theory is correct:
On May 11 2011 07:04 DatBoiRijad wrote:
Dad is 5'10", mom is 5'8", I'm 15 years of age at 5'9". My grandpa is 6'1" and great grandpa 6'4". Any estimates on how tall I'll be?
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I really thought this forum was full of intelligent people who shared my views on religion and homosexuality, but now I see otherwise. Im disgusted by the lack of understanding people have on either subject. Unfortunately, as humans, we have built in mechanisms that make us keep believing what we want to believe, even when faced with undeniable evidence against or for something. Right now, this thread is getting nowhere. Stop sharing religious and political views, no on is going to change their opinion, AT ALL. To the homophobic people in this thread, what the hell are you doing here? We're trying to raise awareness of a cause that you obviously dont agree with. Let's just try to do as much as we can to raise awareness about this bill and leave it at that (only 24 hours to go anyways...).
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On May 11 2011 11:51 johanngrunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:48 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:44 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:36 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:35 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:29 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:18 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:
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Who's trolling? Saying that just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me. Meh, I added a little tidbit in my previous post to humor you - but let me just say that I find it quite implausible that you follow every ceremonial law of the Old Testament. that is what leads me to think that you're trolling. Also, the fact that you seem to think most Americans would agree with you is just wrong. A quick google turned up this result which suggests that slightly over half of Americans support gay marriage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slim-majority-back-gay-marriage-post-abc-poll-says/2011/03/17/ABhMc7o_story.html Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament. Well, again, the question really isn't about what you personally follow. As I said in my previous edit: "Our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods that we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't." Our law doesn't ban adultery, or coveting, or remarriage after divorce, or idolatry, or working on Sundays, etc. These are all laws in the New Testament that are not put into our law. Actually to be completely specific, those are the 10 commandments. 1st 5 are relating to the Unity of God and the sabbath etc (the weird ones) last 5 are don't kill etc (the good ones) And yeah, not really explicitly put down into law (except don't kill). Completely right about that part no matter what other kooks will say. Yeah, our country would be a much scarier place if we actually used the Bible as the backbone for our legal system. Are you being serious? I think you're the one who's trolling now. If we followed the bible there would be no abortion, their would be less criminals in our prisons, the list goes on and on. I call Poe's Law. I'm actually now guessing it's a 12-15 year old that is just spouting out things he's been indoctrinated with. The spouting out of random thoughts and mantras that don't really make much sense is quite characteristic of someone who actually hasn't done much independent thinking on their religion. I know because I was in that phase ~5 years ago. Plus the low post count. Probably a throwaway account to derail the thread. Stop Martin "eat da poo poo" Sempa!
Trolls will always come, but it's nice to know that there are rational people existing on the internet 
Also, I voted. Good thread.
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On May 11 2011 11:36 DatBoiRijad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:35 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:29 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:18 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:16 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:13 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:12 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:06 matjlav wrote:
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First of all, your argument relies on the assumption that I care what religion has to say on the subject. But to humor you, I'll mention that the Bible condemns a lot of other things that are not illegal. Of the Ten Commandments, the only commandments that are actually coded into our law are 1) don't kill and 2) don't steal. So... yeah. This isn't a theocracy.
(It's interesting how straight religious people that disobey tons of other shit in their respective holy books love to fixate on homosexuality. It's a great way for them to be able to point at someone else and feel superior without having a finger pointed back at them...) I follow the bible word for word. I don't know what you're talking about. And why shouldn't religion matter? Ever heard of one nation under "GOD." The president swears on the bible. Need more examples? Okay, you're trolling. I'll quit wasting my energy. Who's trolling? Saying that just an easy way to get out of a debate. If you don't like my arguments you don't have to reply, this is all just my opinion and I think the majority of Americans would agree with me. Meh, I added a little tidbit in my previous post to humor you - but let me just say that I find it quite implausible that you follow every ceremonial law of the Old Testament. that is what leads me to think that you're trolling. Also, the fact that you seem to think most Americans would agree with you is just wrong. A quick google turned up this result which suggests that slightly over half of Americans support gay marriage. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/slim-majority-back-gay-marriage-post-abc-poll-says/2011/03/17/ABhMc7o_story.html Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament. Well, again, the question really isn't about what you personally follow. As I said in my previous edit: "Our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods that we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't." Our law doesn't ban adultery, or coveting, or remarriage after divorce, or idolatry, or working on Sundays, etc. These are all laws in the New Testament that are not put into our law. Actually to be completely specific, those are the 10 commandments. 1st 5 are relating to the Unity of God and the sabbath etc (the weird ones) last 5 are don't kill etc (the good ones) And yeah, not really explicitly put down into law (except don't kill). Completely right about that part no matter what other kooks will say. Yeah, our country would be a much scarier place if we actually used the Bible as the backbone for our legal system. Are you being serious? I think you're the one who's trolling now. If we followed the bible there would be no abortion, their would be less criminals in our prisons, the list goes on and on.
Feel free to continue if the list is so long. Your claims have no reasonable argument supporting them though, so the list will be pretty worthless.
You have yet to even attempt to justify criminalizing homosexuality.You are now suggesting the adoption of a state religion and failing to justify that as well. Stop. Talking. Shit.
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Only around 90,000 left on the petition! I'm sure it'll reach 1 million.
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I thought this would be about trying to prevent the spread of HIV or something which would almost be reasonable, but Lol death penalty... don't wear bright colors in uganda :O
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On May 11 2011 11:53 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:51 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:48 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:44 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:36 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:35 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:29 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament. Well, again, the question really isn't about what you personally follow. As I said in my previous edit: "Our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods that we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't." Our law doesn't ban adultery, or coveting, or remarriage after divorce, or idolatry, or working on Sundays, etc. These are all laws in the New Testament that are not put into our law. Actually to be completely specific, those are the 10 commandments. 1st 5 are relating to the Unity of God and the sabbath etc (the weird ones) last 5 are don't kill etc (the good ones) And yeah, not really explicitly put down into law (except don't kill). Completely right about that part no matter what other kooks will say. Yeah, our country would be a much scarier place if we actually used the Bible as the backbone for our legal system. Are you being serious? I think you're the one who's trolling now. If we followed the bible there would be no abortion, their would be less criminals in our prisons, the list goes on and on. I call Poe's Law. I'm actually now guessing it's a 12-15 year old that is just spouting out things he's been indoctrinated with. The spouting out of random thoughts and mantras that don't really make much sense is quite characteristic of someone who actually hasn't done much independent thinking on their religion. I know because I was in that phase ~5 years ago. Plus the low post count. Probably a throwaway account to derail the thread. Stop Martin "eat da poo poo" Sempa! Trolls will always come, but it's nice to know that there are rational people existing on the internet Also, I voted. Good thread.
Can't believe so many of you are calling me a troll when I just have different views then you. Elitist much?
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but is the ugandan government even going to look at this online petition? o.O
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On May 11 2011 11:57 DatBoiRijad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:53 EchelonTee wrote:On May 11 2011 11:51 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:48 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:44 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:36 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:35 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:29 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:
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Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament.
Well, again, the question really isn't about what you personally follow. As I said in my previous edit: "Our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods that we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't." Our law doesn't ban adultery, or coveting, or remarriage after divorce, or idolatry, or working on Sundays, etc. These are all laws in the New Testament that are not put into our law. Actually to be completely specific, those are the 10 commandments. 1st 5 are relating to the Unity of God and the sabbath etc (the weird ones) last 5 are don't kill etc (the good ones) And yeah, not really explicitly put down into law (except don't kill). Completely right about that part no matter what other kooks will say. Yeah, our country would be a much scarier place if we actually used the Bible as the backbone for our legal system. Are you being serious? I think you're the one who's trolling now. If we followed the bible there would be no abortion, their would be less criminals in our prisons, the list goes on and on. I call Poe's Law. I'm actually now guessing it's a 12-15 year old that is just spouting out things he's been indoctrinated with. The spouting out of random thoughts and mantras that don't really make much sense is quite characteristic of someone who actually hasn't done much independent thinking on their religion. I know because I was in that phase ~5 years ago. Plus the low post count. Probably a throwaway account to derail the thread. Stop Martin "eat da poo poo" Sempa! Trolls will always come, but it's nice to know that there are rational people existing on the internet Also, I voted. Good thread. Can't believe so many of you are calling me a troll when I just have different views then you. Elitist much?
Sorry dude, but people aren't calling you a troll because you disagree with them; they're calling you a troll because the shit you're saying doesn't make sense. But it looks like you're actually just thoughtlessly indoctrinated. Spend some time actually thinking about what you believe, and your views won't come off as being so unbelievable.
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On May 11 2011 11:57 DatBoiRijad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 11:53 EchelonTee wrote:On May 11 2011 11:51 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:48 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:44 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:36 DatBoiRijad wrote:On May 11 2011 11:35 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:29 johanngrunt wrote:On May 11 2011 11:23 matjlav wrote:On May 11 2011 11:21 DatBoiRijad wrote:
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Okay, well you have me there with the study and all, but I don't follow the Old Testament I follow the New Testament.
Well, again, the question really isn't about what you personally follow. As I said in my previous edit: "Our law doesn't and has never followed the Bible as a guide. Regardless of some random ceremonial and meaningless nods that we give to "God" in our politics because too many stupid religious people would get mad if we didn't." Our law doesn't ban adultery, or coveting, or remarriage after divorce, or idolatry, or working on Sundays, etc. These are all laws in the New Testament that are not put into our law. Actually to be completely specific, those are the 10 commandments. 1st 5 are relating to the Unity of God and the sabbath etc (the weird ones) last 5 are don't kill etc (the good ones) And yeah, not really explicitly put down into law (except don't kill). Completely right about that part no matter what other kooks will say. Yeah, our country would be a much scarier place if we actually used the Bible as the backbone for our legal system. Are you being serious? I think you're the one who's trolling now. If we followed the bible there would be no abortion, their would be less criminals in our prisons, the list goes on and on. I call Poe's Law. I'm actually now guessing it's a 12-15 year old that is just spouting out things he's been indoctrinated with. The spouting out of random thoughts and mantras that don't really make much sense is quite characteristic of someone who actually hasn't done much independent thinking on their religion. I know because I was in that phase ~5 years ago. Plus the low post count. Probably a throwaway account to derail the thread. Stop Martin "eat da poo poo" Sempa! Trolls will always come, but it's nice to know that there are rational people existing on the internet Also, I voted. Good thread. Can't believe so many of you are calling me a troll when I just have different views then you. Elitist much?
Well...your views are a bit out there even for a homophobe in a 1st world nation (assuming that you are)
But if you are serious, it is pretty disturbing to know that you would lock me up should you obtain political power.
On May 11 2011 11:58 SilentCrono wrote:
but is the ugandan government even going to look at this online petition? o.O
From what I saw...it seems like Uganda has an exception view of themselves. They are not going to take shit from outside imperial powers.
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I'm not sleeping until it reaches its ultimate goal, i.e. no punishment for being gay + freedom + education.
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Voted. Damn I hope the wackos here in the southeastern US don't get any bright ideas.. 
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On May 11 2011 12:00 platorepublic wrote:
I'm not sleeping until it reaches its ultimate goal, i.e. no punishment for being gay + freedom + education.
You may have to be awake for a very long time indeed =/
Signed.
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How has this not hit 1 mil in a whole day? They had 400k signatures 4 hours in.
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I honestly don't really care to participate in affecting the legislature of a country that I do not live in and I don't think anyone really should. It's their country, let them rule it. Doesn't mean I agree with this bill. I don't agree with it, but it's not my business to say what they should do.
Don't give me any cold war era communist containment crap, either.
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On May 11 2011 12:05 Uhh Negative wrote:
I honestly don't really care to participate in affecting the legislature of a country that I do not live in and I don't think anyone really should. It's their country, let them rule it. Doesn't mean I agree with this bill. I don't agree with it, but it's not my business to say what they should do.
Uhh Negative, guilty.
1 million people + will disagree with you.
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On May 11 2011 12:06 platorepublic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 12:05 Uhh Negative wrote:
I honestly don't really care to participate in affecting the legislature of a country that I do not live in and I don't think anyone really should. It's their country, let them rule it. Doesn't mean I agree with this bill. I don't agree with it, but it's not my business to say what they should do. Uhh Negative, guilty. 1 million people + will disagree with you.
That's fine 1 million people out of 7 billion isn't bad. Like I said, I'm of course against a death penalty for gays, but I don't see how it's my business to decide that for Uganda. Does the whole world need to approve every single bill of every nation?
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