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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
April 11 2011 13:03 GMT
#241
On April 10 2011 06:34 Kashll wrote:
There's no way you would do the exact same move, you guys are absurd.

You both would be in different environments. I.E. one person would be in one place in the room, and the other would be in a different place. This change in environment alone will spawn different reactions, and eventually lead to different moves and a dynamic fight.


Except that the room is the exact same in all positions...

I would expect that both of me would get beat on. If I throw the punch, the other me would as well... and both would connect or get dodged. It would continue like that the whole time.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
April 11 2011 13:06 GMT
#242
Luck would be a factor, depending on your view of luck of course.
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Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
April 11 2011 14:32 GMT
#243
On April 11 2011 20:16 Earll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 20:11 Tschis wrote:
Just because it's a clone it doesn't mean you'll have the same thought process.

That's like saying your thought process is already decided and all the thoughts you'll have in life are already pre-determined.

//tx



Yes you will, if you do not then it is not an excact clone. Your thoughts are not pre-determined, excactly what they are decided by is obviously somewhat hard to pinpoint but it is probably mainly influenced by your past (the clone has the excact same past\memory) your enviorment (clone has excact same enviorment) And genetics (clone has excact same genetics.)

D=?


Just because you're in the same environment and he is a clone, doesn't mean you'll do the same things. You're both looking at each other, now your clone decides to look to the right while you can just decide to look to the left.

Your thoughts aren't pre-determined. Your reactions could be the same if everything is the same, but just because the environtment is the same and you're both inside it, doesn't mean you'll act equally.

If he is looking to the right and you attack, he'll see the action happening in a different way you're seeing, so your actions won't be the same.


//tx
"A coward is not someone that runs from a battle knowing he will lose. A coward is someone who challenges a weak knowing he will win."
Homework
Profile Joined December 2010
United States283 Posts
April 11 2011 14:38 GMT
#244
On April 10 2011 06:30 iNcontroL wrote:
I'd win.


Sadly, an iNcontrol clone fight would end in a bus-ripping-in-half competition.
zJayy962
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1363 Posts
April 11 2011 14:41 GMT
#245
On April 11 2011 23:32 Tschis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 20:16 Earll wrote:
On April 11 2011 20:11 Tschis wrote:
Just because it's a clone it doesn't mean you'll have the same thought process.

That's like saying your thought process is already decided and all the thoughts you'll have in life are already pre-determined.

//tx



Yes you will, if you do not then it is not an excact clone. Your thoughts are not pre-determined, excactly what they are decided by is obviously somewhat hard to pinpoint but it is probably mainly influenced by your past (the clone has the excact same past\memory) your enviorment (clone has excact same enviorment) And genetics (clone has excact same genetics.)

D=?


Just because you're in the same environment and he is a clone, doesn't mean you'll do the same things. You're both looking at each other, now your clone decides to look to the right while you can just decide to look to the left.

Your thoughts aren't pre-determined. Your reactions could be the same if everything is the same, but just because the environtment is the same and you're both inside it, doesn't mean you'll act equally.

If he is looking to the right and you attack, he'll see the action happening in a different way you're seeing, so your actions won't be the same.


//tx


A circular environment is the same if both of you are standing at equal lengths to the center of the circle
Vearo
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada168 Posts
April 11 2011 14:55 GMT
#246
I'd probably go for the ultimate technique:

Forget the fight and watch Day9 vods with my doppelganger.

+ Show Spoiler +

For the entire concept of having a doppelganger appear with the same memory and such as when I entered the room, I would probably have the same view as Karl from the vid {CC}StealthBlue posted. There is no easy way of telling who is who.

What is interesting to note is that human being diverge naturally, eventually if left to exist long enough the doppelganger would become different from "me" unless there exists some control to forever mirror my developments as a person.
"Smooth as Pie" - Day[9]
frontliner2
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands844 Posts
April 11 2011 14:57 GMT
#247
I would murder him because I have so much street fighting XP.
FTW!
I had a bad dream. Don't be afraid, bad dreams are only dreams. What a time you chose to be born in...
holynorth
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States590 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 15:05:15
April 11 2011 15:04 GMT
#248
This is an awful thread so far. People are creating entirely new ideologies on thought processing and philosophy out of thin air with nothing to back it up but their own opinion.

You would do the exact same thing.

Thought is based on experience and stimuli. If both you and your clone have the exact same memories (experience) and are in the exact same environment with absolutely no differences (the room proposed), then there is no way to have an unique thought. The fight would stalemate out.


Edit: I got all excited thinking it was already my birthday then I realized that is Korean time.
Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
April 11 2011 15:08 GMT
#249
On April 11 2011 23:41 zJayy962 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 23:32 Tschis wrote:
On April 11 2011 20:16 Earll wrote:
On April 11 2011 20:11 Tschis wrote:
Just because it's a clone it doesn't mean you'll have the same thought process.

That's like saying your thought process is already decided and all the thoughts you'll have in life are already pre-determined.

//tx



Yes you will, if you do not then it is not an excact clone. Your thoughts are not pre-determined, excactly what they are decided by is obviously somewhat hard to pinpoint but it is probably mainly influenced by your past (the clone has the excact same past\memory) your enviorment (clone has excact same enviorment) And genetics (clone has excact same genetics.)

D=?


Just because you're in the same environment and he is a clone, doesn't mean you'll do the same things. You're both looking at each other, now your clone decides to look to the right while you can just decide to look to the left.

Your thoughts aren't pre-determined. Your reactions could be the same if everything is the same, but just because the environtment is the same and you're both inside it, doesn't mean you'll act equally.

If he is looking to the right and you attack, he'll see the action happening in a different way you're seeing, so your actions won't be the same.


//tx


A circular environment is the same if both of you are standing at equal lengths to the center of the circle


Yes, I've affirmed they are the same in my post.

//tx
"A coward is not someone that runs from a battle knowing he will lose. A coward is someone who challenges a weak knowing he will win."
ZerglingSoup
Profile Joined June 2009
United States346 Posts
April 11 2011 15:10 GMT
#250
I would wait for him to make the first move, then counter it.
Stream plz
holynorth
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States590 Posts
April 11 2011 15:13 GMT
#251
On April 12 2011 00:10 ZerglingSoup wrote:
I would wait for him to make the first move, then counter it.


So would your clone. Stalemate.
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1483 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 15:18:58
April 11 2011 15:16 GMT
#252
Fairly easy: No fighting, unite ofc. Perfect aliby (imagine the posibilities), and not to mention you would have someone who would understand you 100%, so you would not even have to say a word to each other. Then imagine the hability to live 2 diffrent lives and decide 100% aware of what is wha.t What is the best option. I could go on like this for 3 hours but i have to work. Best part: You could really mess up someones mind :D.

So youd sacrifice that to fight? Sry, not in my world :D
aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
April 11 2011 15:22 GMT
#253
I would probably get my ass kicked, then he(other me) would feel sorry and help me practice for sc2 tourneys.
This is where we begin. Show your true self, Battosai.
DarkGeneral
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada328 Posts
April 11 2011 15:23 GMT
#254
It would be a stalemate
"Everybody gotta die some time, righ'?" - Wraith Pilot
FaZ-
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States188 Posts
April 11 2011 15:31 GMT
#255
As someone who's wrestled over 200 matches, I have to say that there are indeed a lot of dynamic attributes. It can be something as simple as how far to one side you stand at the start, how your rhythm is internally, or which foot you stepped forward with first- and it can completely change the pattern of the bout. Even in a completely mirrored arena, the playout would be very different.

The concept of "draws" in fights doesn't really exist, and pretending that anyone is conditioned enough to algorithmically determine a response is just silly. Someone would win: there is an "any given Sunday" aspect to physical contests and that's part of what makes them so exciting.
Dannnnn_The_Man
Profile Joined April 2011
United States166 Posts
April 11 2011 15:32 GMT
#256
Assuming that you were in cross positions on a small map we'd both end up 4 gating one another and base trading.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"
Mythito
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada230 Posts
April 11 2011 15:41 GMT
#257
On April 11 2011 22:03 GreEny K wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 06:34 Kashll wrote:
There's no way you would do the exact same move, you guys are absurd.

You both would be in different environments. I.E. one person would be in one place in the room, and the other would be in a different place. This change in environment alone will spawn different reactions, and eventually lead to different moves and a dynamic fight.


Except that the room is the exact same in all positions...

I would expect that both of me would get beat on. If I throw the punch, the other me would as well... and both would connect or get dodged. It would continue like that the whole time.



try kicking a punching bag 100 times with the exact same force in the exact same place on the bag AND on your foot. it's really, *REALLY*, hard.. even if both clones open up with an exact same front kick, it's going to yield different results, even if minute differences, then it's going to snowball into a dynamic fight.
Did everything just taste purple for a second?
holynorth
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States590 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 15:48:58
April 11 2011 15:46 GMT
#258
On April 12 2011 00:31 FaZ- wrote:
As someone who's wrestled over 200 matches, I have to say that there are indeed a lot of dynamic attributes. It can be something as simple as how far to one side you stand at the start, how your rhythm is internally, or which foot you stepped forward with first- and it can completely change the pattern of the bout. Even in a completely mirrored arena, the playout would be very different.

The concept of "draws" in fights doesn't really exist, and pretending that anyone is conditioned enough to algorithmically determine a response is just silly. Someone would win: there is an "any given Sunday" aspect to physical contests and that's part of what makes them so exciting.


And as a Philosophy major and someone who has taken over 200 hours of philosophy, yes it would happen. You don't understand how important environment and experience are to thought. They are the sole contributors to thought (unless you want to make an argument for God).

You would both be thinking the exact same thing at the exact same time. You would both decide to throw a left hand jab or a right hook, at the exact same time. You would both block them in the exact same way. You would both take hits in the exact same way. You would both tire and collapse in the exact same way.

This would be a stalemate.


On April 12 2011 00:41 Mythito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 22:03 GreEny K wrote:
On April 10 2011 06:34 Kashll wrote:
There's no way you would do the exact same move, you guys are absurd.

You both would be in different environments. I.E. one person would be in one place in the room, and the other would be in a different place. This change in environment alone will spawn different reactions, and eventually lead to different moves and a dynamic fight.


Except that the room is the exact same in all positions...

I would expect that both of me would get beat on. If I throw the punch, the other me would as well... and both would connect or get dodged. It would continue like that the whole time.



try kicking a punching bag 100 times with the exact same force in the exact same place on the bag AND on your foot. it's really, *REALLY*, hard.. even if both clones open up with an exact same front kick, it's going to yield different results, even if minute differences, then it's going to snowball into a dynamic fight.


Where are you getting this? Where are these differences coming from. You are the same person with the same environment. What other variables are there? Stop making shit up.
Mythito
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada230 Posts
April 11 2011 15:47 GMT
#259
On April 12 2011 00:08 Tschis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 23:41 zJayy962 wrote:
On April 11 2011 23:32 Tschis wrote:
On April 11 2011 20:16 Earll wrote:
On April 11 2011 20:11 Tschis wrote:
Just because it's a clone it doesn't mean you'll have the same thought process.

That's like saying your thought process is already decided and all the thoughts you'll have in life are already pre-determined.

//tx



Yes you will, if you do not then it is not an excact clone. Your thoughts are not pre-determined, excactly what they are decided by is obviously somewhat hard to pinpoint but it is probably mainly influenced by your past (the clone has the excact same past\memory) your enviorment (clone has excact same enviorment) And genetics (clone has excact same genetics.)

D=?


Just because you're in the same environment and he is a clone, doesn't mean you'll do the same things. You're both looking at each other, now your clone decides to look to the right while you can just decide to look to the left.

Your thoughts aren't pre-determined. Your reactions could be the same if everything is the same, but just because the environtment is the same and you're both inside it, doesn't mean you'll act equally.

If he is looking to the right and you attack, he'll see the action happening in a different way you're seeing, so your actions won't be the same.


//tx


A circular environment is the same if both of you are standing at equal lengths to the center of the circle


Yes, I've affirmed they are the same in my post.

//tx


although i don't think the fight would be exactly mirrored by both clones, your logic of "your clone decides to look to the right while you can just decide to look to the left" is flawed, you said "Your thoughts aren't pre-determined" but you can't assume that you wouldn't both look to the right, that's just a wild statement, at best it would be a poor hypothesis
Did everything just taste purple for a second?
Mythito
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada230 Posts
April 11 2011 15:57 GMT
#260
On April 12 2011 00:46 holynorth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2011 00:31 FaZ- wrote:
As someone who's wrestled over 200 matches, I have to say that there are indeed a lot of dynamic attributes. It can be something as simple as how far to one side you stand at the start, how your rhythm is internally, or which foot you stepped forward with first- and it can completely change the pattern of the bout. Even in a completely mirrored arena, the playout would be very different.

The concept of "draws" in fights doesn't really exist, and pretending that anyone is conditioned enough to algorithmically determine a response is just silly. Someone would win: there is an "any given Sunday" aspect to physical contests and that's part of what makes them so exciting.


And as a Philosophy major and someone who has taken over 200 hours of philosophy, yes it would happen. You don't understand how important environment and experience are to thought. They are the sole contributors to thought (unless you want to make an argument for God).

You would both be thinking the exact same thing at the exact same time. You would both decide to throw a left hand jab or a right hook, at the exact same time. You would both block them in the exact same way. You would both take hits in the exact same way. You would both tire and collapse in the exact same way.

This would be a stalemate.


Show nested quote +
On April 12 2011 00:41 Mythito wrote:
On April 11 2011 22:03 GreEny K wrote:
On April 10 2011 06:34 Kashll wrote:
There's no way you would do the exact same move, you guys are absurd.

You both would be in different environments. I.E. one person would be in one place in the room, and the other would be in a different place. This change in environment alone will spawn different reactions, and eventually lead to different moves and a dynamic fight.


Except that the room is the exact same in all positions...

I would expect that both of me would get beat on. If I throw the punch, the other me would as well... and both would connect or get dodged. It would continue like that the whole time.



try kicking a punching bag 100 times with the exact same force in the exact same place on the bag AND on your foot. it's really, *REALLY*, hard.. even if both clones open up with an exact same front kick, it's going to yield different results, even if minute differences, then it's going to snowball into a dynamic fight.


Where are you getting this? Where are these differences coming from. You are the same person with the same environment. What other variables are there? Stop making shit up.


ahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahaha
"stop making shit up"
... in a thread about hypothetical exact duplicate clones in a 100% perfectly symetrical flawless environment


lawl.
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