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On April 12 2011 00:57 Mythito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 00:46 holynorth wrote:On April 12 2011 00:31 FaZ- wrote:
As someone who's wrestled over 200 matches, I have to say that there are indeed a lot of dynamic attributes. It can be something as simple as how far to one side you stand at the start, how your rhythm is internally, or which foot you stepped forward with first- and it can completely change the pattern of the bout. Even in a completely mirrored arena, the playout would be very different.
The concept of "draws" in fights doesn't really exist, and pretending that anyone is conditioned enough to algorithmically determine a response is just silly. Someone would win: there is an "any given Sunday" aspect to physical contests and that's part of what makes them so exciting. And as a Philosophy major and someone who has taken over 200 hours of philosophy, yes it would happen. You don't understand how important environment and experience are to thought. They are the sole contributors to thought (unless you want to make an argument for God). You would both be thinking the exact same thing at the exact same time. You would both decide to throw a left hand jab or a right hook, at the exact same time. You would both block them in the exact same way. You would both take hits in the exact same way. You would both tire and collapse in the exact same way. This would be a stalemate. On April 12 2011 00:41 Mythito wrote:On April 11 2011 22:03 GreEny K wrote:On April 10 2011 06:34 Kashll wrote:
There's no way you would do the exact same move, you guys are absurd.
You both would be in different environments. I.E. one person would be in one place in the room, and the other would be in a different place. This change in environment alone will spawn different reactions, and eventually lead to different moves and a dynamic fight. Except that the room is the exact same in all positions... I would expect that both of me would get beat on. If I throw the punch, the other me would as well... and both would connect or get dodged. It would continue like that the whole time. try kicking a punching bag 100 times with the exact same force in the exact same place on the bag AND on your foot. it's really, *REALLY*, hard.. even if both clones open up with an exact same front kick, it's going to yield different results, even if minute differences, then it's going to snowball into a dynamic fight. Where are you getting this? Where are these differences coming from. You are the same person with the same environment. What other variables are there? Stop making shit up. ahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahaha "stop making shit up" ... in a thread about hypothetical exact duplicate clones in a 100% perfectly symetrical flawless environment lawl.
How does that compare to including random variables when we are discussing a situation without random variables?
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On April 10 2011 06:30 iNcontroL wrote:
I'd win.
We'd both win.
- haha happy birthday holynorth, same day as me?! :D
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All this is wrong in my opinion.
In practice, you need to account every factors that will change the thought process. A tiny detail can change your whole thought process.
Imagine you fight your clone and realise that the sun is kinda blinding you in the position you are in. You will start thinking about going around the opponent to reverse this stuff, while your clone will have a totally different thought process and resulting actions.
Every details count like : did the clone and I did have exactly the same day, did we eat the same stuff, are we equally tired, are we here to fight for the exact same reasons.
This is more like do you think that you could beat a version of you from tommorrow ? you're the same person but maybe today you're tired and you would lose.
EDIT : Didn't see the second edit.
Even if the clone and you are ABSOLUTELY similar in ABSOLUTELY neutral space :
I imagine the resul would be a double K-O. But I can't help to think that even there tiny differences can happen. If you're not stupid, you can agree with your clone to get at least one little random factor to have a fight with a winner and a loser instead of 2 losers.
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On April 12 2011 00:59 holynorth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 00:57 Mythito wrote:On April 12 2011 00:46 holynorth wrote:On April 12 2011 00:31 FaZ- wrote:
As someone who's wrestled over 200 matches, I have to say that there are indeed a lot of dynamic attributes. It can be something as simple as how far to one side you stand at the start, how your rhythm is internally, or which foot you stepped forward with first- and it can completely change the pattern of the bout. Even in a completely mirrored arena, the playout would be very different.
The concept of "draws" in fights doesn't really exist, and pretending that anyone is conditioned enough to algorithmically determine a response is just silly. Someone would win: there is an "any given Sunday" aspect to physical contests and that's part of what makes them so exciting. And as a Philosophy major and someone who has taken over 200 hours of philosophy, yes it would happen. You don't understand how important environment and experience are to thought. They are the sole contributors to thought (unless you want to make an argument for God). You would both be thinking the exact same thing at the exact same time. You would both decide to throw a left hand jab or a right hook, at the exact same time. You would both block them in the exact same way. You would both take hits in the exact same way. You would both tire and collapse in the exact same way. This would be a stalemate. On April 12 2011 00:41 Mythito wrote:On April 11 2011 22:03 GreEny K wrote:On April 10 2011 06:34 Kashll wrote:
There's no way you would do the exact same move, you guys are absurd.
You both would be in different environments. I.E. one person would be in one place in the room, and the other would be in a different place. This change in environment alone will spawn different reactions, and eventually lead to different moves and a dynamic fight. Except that the room is the exact same in all positions... I would expect that both of me would get beat on. If I throw the punch, the other me would as well... and both would connect or get dodged. It would continue like that the whole time. try kicking a punching bag 100 times with the exact same force in the exact same place on the bag AND on your foot. it's really, *REALLY*, hard.. even if both clones open up with an exact same front kick, it's going to yield different results, even if minute differences, then it's going to snowball into a dynamic fight. Where are you getting this? Where are these differences coming from. You are the same person with the same environment. What other variables are there? Stop making shit up. ahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahaha "stop making shit up" ... in a thread about hypothetical exact duplicate clones in a 100% perfectly symetrical flawless environment lawl. How does that compare to including random variables when we are discussing a situation without random variables?
go look at the OP, find me one mention of 'random variables', i'll wait.
back? couldn't find any could you? that's cuz it wasn't part of the question.
in other words, the hypothetical question was "in a fight that is as perfectly symmetrical as theoretically possible, would there still be variance?"
my hypothesis is yes, because i believe 2 exact duplicates could have variances due to muscle synapses firing minutely different randomly. even if the difference was just .00000000001% or less, it'll eventually snowball.
oh, and i gave my reason for why i hypothesise this, "try kicking a punching bag 100 times with the exact same force in the exact same place on the bag AND on your foot. it's really, *REALLY*, hard..[read:impossible]"
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On April 12 2011 01:10 Mythito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 00:59 holynorth wrote:On April 12 2011 00:57 Mythito wrote:On April 12 2011 00:46 holynorth wrote:On April 12 2011 00:31 FaZ- wrote:
As someone who's wrestled over 200 matches, I have to say that there are indeed a lot of dynamic attributes. It can be something as simple as how far to one side you stand at the start, how your rhythm is internally, or which foot you stepped forward with first- and it can completely change the pattern of the bout. Even in a completely mirrored arena, the playout would be very different.
The concept of "draws" in fights doesn't really exist, and pretending that anyone is conditioned enough to algorithmically determine a response is just silly. Someone would win: there is an "any given Sunday" aspect to physical contests and that's part of what makes them so exciting. And as a Philosophy major and someone who has taken over 200 hours of philosophy, yes it would happen. You don't understand how important environment and experience are to thought. They are the sole contributors to thought (unless you want to make an argument for God). You would both be thinking the exact same thing at the exact same time. You would both decide to throw a left hand jab or a right hook, at the exact same time. You would both block them in the exact same way. You would both take hits in the exact same way. You would both tire and collapse in the exact same way. This would be a stalemate. On April 12 2011 00:41 Mythito wrote:On April 11 2011 22:03 GreEny K wrote:On April 10 2011 06:34 Kashll wrote:
There's no way you would do the exact same move, you guys are absurd.
You both would be in different environments. I.E. one person would be in one place in the room, and the other would be in a different place. This change in environment alone will spawn different reactions, and eventually lead to different moves and a dynamic fight. Except that the room is the exact same in all positions... I would expect that both of me would get beat on. If I throw the punch, the other me would as well... and both would connect or get dodged. It would continue like that the whole time. try kicking a punching bag 100 times with the exact same force in the exact same place on the bag AND on your foot. it's really, *REALLY*, hard.. even if both clones open up with an exact same front kick, it's going to yield different results, even if minute differences, then it's going to snowball into a dynamic fight. Where are you getting this? Where are these differences coming from. You are the same person with the same environment. What other variables are there? Stop making shit up. ahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahaha "stop making shit up" ... in a thread about hypothetical exact duplicate clones in a 100% perfectly symetrical flawless environment lawl. How does that compare to including random variables when we are discussing a situation without random variables? go look at the OP, find me one mention of 'random variables', i'll wait. back? couldn't find any could you? that's cuz it wasn't part of the question. in other words, the hypothetical question was "in a fight that is as perfectly symmetrical as theoretically possible, would there still be variance?" my hypothesis is yes, because i believe 2 exact duplicates could have variances due to muscle synapses firing minutely different randomly. even if the difference was just .00000000001% or less, it'll eventually snowball.
Find what random variables? I'm saying they don't exist, you are the one creating them.
You are trying so hard to stretch this out to be correct. Sadly, however, you're still wrong. For the entire thread the idea has been a similar environment - this applies to you and the guy above you. There is no blinding sun. You are in an exact environment.
You are the exact same person in the exact same environment. Your brain, your organs, your fibers are going under the exact same stimulus and strain. If they were to randomly fire, they would fire at the exact same time.
Happy birthday Necrosaint.
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On April 10 2011 06:30 iNcontroL wrote:
I'd win.
The REAL question should be: "What would happen if you fought iNcontroL's clone?"
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On April 12 2011 00:47 Mythito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 00:08 Tschis wrote:On April 11 2011 23:41 zJayy962 wrote:On April 11 2011 23:32 Tschis wrote:On April 11 2011 20:16 Earll wrote:On April 11 2011 20:11 Tschis wrote:
Just because it's a clone it doesn't mean you'll have the same thought process.
That's like saying your thought process is already decided and all the thoughts you'll have in life are already pre-determined.
//tx Yes you will, if you do not then it is not an excact clone. Your thoughts are not pre-determined, excactly what they are decided by is obviously somewhat hard to pinpoint but it is probably mainly influenced by your past (the clone has the excact same past\memory) your enviorment (clone has excact same enviorment) And genetics (clone has excact same genetics.) D=? Just because you're in the same environment and he is a clone, doesn't mean you'll do the same things. You're both looking at each other, now your clone decides to look to the right while you can just decide to look to the left. Your thoughts aren't pre-determined. Your reactions could be the same if everything is the same, but just because the environtment is the same and you're both inside it, doesn't mean you'll act equally. If he is looking to the right and you attack, he'll see the action happening in a different way you're seeing, so your actions won't be the same. //tx A circular environment is the same if both of you are standing at equal lengths to the center of the circle Yes, I've affirmed they are the same in my post. //tx although i don't think the fight would be exactly mirrored by both clones, your logic of "your clone decides to look to the right while you can just decide to look to the left" is flawed, you said "Your thoughts aren't pre-determined" but you can't assume that you wouldn't both look to the right, that's just a wild statement, at best it would be a poor hypothesis
It isn't flawed just because I assumed something, in fact, it's much easier to have different actions being done than having equal mirroed actions, so it's more like assuming that both will do the exact same thing that is flawed. If you look a milimiter further than him, that could change the outcome of your perception and therefore the logic behind your actions.
//tx
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On April 12 2011 01:19 Tschis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 00:47 Mythito wrote:On April 12 2011 00:08 Tschis wrote:On April 11 2011 23:41 zJayy962 wrote:On April 11 2011 23:32 Tschis wrote:On April 11 2011 20:16 Earll wrote:On April 11 2011 20:11 Tschis wrote:
Just because it's a clone it doesn't mean you'll have the same thought process.
That's like saying your thought process is already decided and all the thoughts you'll have in life are already pre-determined.
//tx Yes you will, if you do not then it is not an excact clone. Your thoughts are not pre-determined, excactly what they are decided by is obviously somewhat hard to pinpoint but it is probably mainly influenced by your past (the clone has the excact same past\memory) your enviorment (clone has excact same enviorment) And genetics (clone has excact same genetics.) D=? Just because you're in the same environment and he is a clone, doesn't mean you'll do the same things. You're both looking at each other, now your clone decides to look to the right while you can just decide to look to the left. Your thoughts aren't pre-determined. Your reactions could be the same if everything is the same, but just because the environtment is the same and you're both inside it, doesn't mean you'll act equally. If he is looking to the right and you attack, he'll see the action happening in a different way you're seeing, so your actions won't be the same. //tx A circular environment is the same if both of you are standing at equal lengths to the center of the circle Yes, I've affirmed they are the same in my post. //tx although i don't think the fight would be exactly mirrored by both clones, your logic of "your clone decides to look to the right while you can just decide to look to the left" is flawed, you said "Your thoughts aren't pre-determined" but you can't assume that you wouldn't both look to the right, that's just a wild statement, at best it would be a poor hypothesis It isn't flawed just because I assumed something, in fact, it's much easier to have different actions being done than having equal mirroed actions, so it's more like assuming that both will do the exact same thing that is flawed. If you look a milimiter further than him, that could change the outcome of your perception and therefore the logic behind your actions. //tx
I agree that such a difference would cause further differences. But that original difference in actions should never happen. Why would it? What would cause it? It has to begin somewhere, but there is nothing to cause it.
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On April 12 2011 01:10 Mythito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 00:59 holynorth wrote:On April 12 2011 00:57 Mythito wrote:On April 12 2011 00:46 holynorth wrote:On April 12 2011 00:31 FaZ- wrote:
As someone who's wrestled over 200 matches, I have to say that there are indeed a lot of dynamic attributes. It can be something as simple as how far to one side you stand at the start, how your rhythm is internally, or which foot you stepped forward with first- and it can completely change the pattern of the bout. Even in a completely mirrored arena, the playout would be very different.
The concept of "draws" in fights doesn't really exist, and pretending that anyone is conditioned enough to algorithmically determine a response is just silly. Someone would win: there is an "any given Sunday" aspect to physical contests and that's part of what makes them so exciting. And as a Philosophy major and someone who has taken over 200 hours of philosophy, yes it would happen. You don't understand how important environment and experience are to thought. They are the sole contributors to thought (unless you want to make an argument for God). You would both be thinking the exact same thing at the exact same time. You would both decide to throw a left hand jab or a right hook, at the exact same time. You would both block them in the exact same way. You would both take hits in the exact same way. You would both tire and collapse in the exact same way. This would be a stalemate. On April 12 2011 00:41 Mythito wrote:On April 11 2011 22:03 GreEny K wrote:On April 10 2011 06:34 Kashll wrote:
There's no way you would do the exact same move, you guys are absurd.
You both would be in different environments. I.E. one person would be in one place in the room, and the other would be in a different place. This change in environment alone will spawn different reactions, and eventually lead to different moves and a dynamic fight. Except that the room is the exact same in all positions... I would expect that both of me would get beat on. If I throw the punch, the other me would as well... and both would connect or get dodged. It would continue like that the whole time. try kicking a punching bag 100 times with the exact same force in the exact same place on the bag AND on your foot. it's really, *REALLY*, hard.. even if both clones open up with an exact same front kick, it's going to yield different results, even if minute differences, then it's going to snowball into a dynamic fight. Where are you getting this? Where are these differences coming from. You are the same person with the same environment. What other variables are there? Stop making shit up. ahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahaha "stop making shit up" ... in a thread about hypothetical exact duplicate clones in a 100% perfectly symetrical flawless environment lawl. How does that compare to including random variables when we are discussing a situation without random variables? go look at the OP, find me one mention of 'random variables', i'll wait. back? couldn't find any could you? that's cuz it wasn't part of the question. in other words, the hypothetical question was "in a fight that is as perfectly symmetrical as theoretically possible, would there still be variance?" my hypothesis is yes, because i believe 2 exact duplicates could have variances due to muscle synapses firing minutely different randomly. even if the difference was just .00000000001% or less, it'll eventually snowball.
Ultimately it depends on how the problem is defined, if the clone is a perfect copy (exactly the same down to the molecules/all other variables), a stalemate would result (assuming exactly the same environmental conditions also, probably easier to define the environment as a vacuum to avoid these issues having any effect). (If exactly the same inputs are used, there is no randomness)
If the clone is a more reasonable, less theoretical 'clone' (same dna, same experiences, same thought-pattern, all other variables free), likely one of the clones would prevail (since there would be slight differences from just the chemical reactions/electrical signals that drive a person's metabolism, etc.) after a while, but it's impossible to tell which would, initially.
The OP indicates that the 'clone' is 'exactly the same' so the former of the two situations described would result, but this discussion is moot since the conditions are theoretically impossible.
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On April 12 2011 01:15 holynorth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 01:10 Mythito wrote:On April 12 2011 00:59 holynorth wrote:On April 12 2011 00:57 Mythito wrote:On April 12 2011 00:46 holynorth wrote:On April 12 2011 00:31 FaZ- wrote:
As someone who's wrestled over 200 matches, I have to say that there are indeed a lot of dynamic attributes. It can be something as simple as how far to one side you stand at the start, how your rhythm is internally, or which foot you stepped forward with first- and it can completely change the pattern of the bout. Even in a completely mirrored arena, the playout would be very different.
The concept of "draws" in fights doesn't really exist, and pretending that anyone is conditioned enough to algorithmically determine a response is just silly. Someone would win: there is an "any given Sunday" aspect to physical contests and that's part of what makes them so exciting. And as a Philosophy major and someone who has taken over 200 hours of philosophy, yes it would happen. You don't understand how important environment and experience are to thought. They are the sole contributors to thought (unless you want to make an argument for God). You would both be thinking the exact same thing at the exact same time. You would both decide to throw a left hand jab or a right hook, at the exact same time. You would both block them in the exact same way. You would both take hits in the exact same way. You would both tire and collapse in the exact same way. This would be a stalemate. On April 12 2011 00:41 Mythito wrote:On April 11 2011 22:03 GreEny K wrote:On April 10 2011 06:34 Kashll wrote:
There's no way you would do the exact same move, you guys are absurd.
You both would be in different environments. I.E. one person would be in one place in the room, and the other would be in a different place. This change in environment alone will spawn different reactions, and eventually lead to different moves and a dynamic fight. Except that the room is the exact same in all positions... I would expect that both of me would get beat on. If I throw the punch, the other me would as well... and both would connect or get dodged. It would continue like that the whole time. try kicking a punching bag 100 times with the exact same force in the exact same place on the bag AND on your foot. it's really, *REALLY*, hard.. even if both clones open up with an exact same front kick, it's going to yield different results, even if minute differences, then it's going to snowball into a dynamic fight. Where are you getting this? Where are these differences coming from. You are the same person with the same environment. What other variables are there? Stop making shit up. ahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahaha "stop making shit up" ... in a thread about hypothetical exact duplicate clones in a 100% perfectly symetrical flawless environment lawl. How does that compare to including random variables when we are discussing a situation without random variables? go look at the OP, find me one mention of 'random variables', i'll wait. back? couldn't find any could you? that's cuz it wasn't part of the question. in other words, the hypothetical question was "in a fight that is as perfectly symmetrical as theoretically possible, would there still be variance?" my hypothesis is yes, because i believe 2 exact duplicates could have variances due to muscle synapses firing minutely different randomly. even if the difference was just .00000000001% or less, it'll eventually snowball. Find what random variables? I'm saying they don't exist, you are the one creating them. You are trying so hard to stretch this out to be correct. Sadly, however, you're still wrong. For the entire thread the idea has been a similar environment - this applies to you and the guy above you. There is no blinding sun. You are in an exact environment. You are the exact same person in the exact same environment. Your brain, your organs, your fibers are going under the exact same stimulus and strain. If they were to randomly fire, they would fire at the exact same time. Happy birthday Necrosaint.
mm good argument for a theoretical discussion, here let me try: you're wrong
see now i'm winning.
okay but seriously, let me try to explain this again.
you stated "we are discussing a situation without random variables?"
but how do we know there are no random variables? where did you read this?
the OP said "some entity that is exactly the same as you are both mentally and physically"
my hypothesis is that "some entity that is exactly the same as you are both mentally and physically" will have random variation from you due to actions like punches and kicks being extremely difficult to throw in the exact way you want them to land.
you cannot discard that by saying "THE CLONE WILL HAVE NO RANDOM VARIATION THAT IS A FACT AND YOU ARE MAKING SHIT UP AND YOU ARE WRONG".
you can say "i believe the punches and kicks will land the exact same without fail because punches and kicks blah blah blah something something"
but if you're a philosophy major and you don't already know this then GL putting that degree to use 
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On April 12 2011 01:15 holynorth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 01:10 Mythito wrote:On April 12 2011 00:59 holynorth wrote:On April 12 2011 00:57 Mythito wrote:On April 12 2011 00:46 holynorth wrote:On April 12 2011 00:31 FaZ- wrote:
As someone who's wrestled over 200 matches, I have to say that there are indeed a lot of dynamic attributes. It can be something as simple as how far to one side you stand at the start, how your rhythm is internally, or which foot you stepped forward with first- and it can completely change the pattern of the bout. Even in a completely mirrored arena, the playout would be very different.
The concept of "draws" in fights doesn't really exist, and pretending that anyone is conditioned enough to algorithmically determine a response is just silly. Someone would win: there is an "any given Sunday" aspect to physical contests and that's part of what makes them so exciting. And as a Philosophy major and someone who has taken over 200 hours of philosophy, yes it would happen. You don't understand how important environment and experience are to thought. They are the sole contributors to thought (unless you want to make an argument for God). You would both be thinking the exact same thing at the exact same time. You would both decide to throw a left hand jab or a right hook, at the exact same time. You would both block them in the exact same way. You would both take hits in the exact same way. You would both tire and collapse in the exact same way. This would be a stalemate. On April 12 2011 00:41 Mythito wrote:On April 11 2011 22:03 GreEny K wrote:On April 10 2011 06:34 Kashll wrote:
There's no way you would do the exact same move, you guys are absurd.
You both would be in different environments. I.E. one person would be in one place in the room, and the other would be in a different place. This change in environment alone will spawn different reactions, and eventually lead to different moves and a dynamic fight. Except that the room is the exact same in all positions... I would expect that both of me would get beat on. If I throw the punch, the other me would as well... and both would connect or get dodged. It would continue like that the whole time. try kicking a punching bag 100 times with the exact same force in the exact same place on the bag AND on your foot. it's really, *REALLY*, hard.. even if both clones open up with an exact same front kick, it's going to yield different results, even if minute differences, then it's going to snowball into a dynamic fight. Where are you getting this? Where are these differences coming from. You are the same person with the same environment. What other variables are there? Stop making shit up. ahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahaha "stop making shit up" ... in a thread about hypothetical exact duplicate clones in a 100% perfectly symetrical flawless environment lawl. How does that compare to including random variables when we are discussing a situation without random variables? go look at the OP, find me one mention of 'random variables', i'll wait. back? couldn't find any could you? that's cuz it wasn't part of the question. in other words, the hypothetical question was "in a fight that is as perfectly symmetrical as theoretically possible, would there still be variance?" my hypothesis is yes, because i believe 2 exact duplicates could have variances due to muscle synapses firing minutely different randomly. even if the difference was just .00000000001% or less, it'll eventually snowball. Find what random variables? I'm saying they don't exist, you are the one creating them. You are trying so hard to stretch this out to be correct. Sadly, however, you're still wrong. For the entire thread the idea has been a similar environment - this applies to you and the guy above you. There is no blinding sun. You are in an exact environment. You are the exact same person in the exact same environment. Your brain, your organs, your fibers are going under the exact same stimulus and strain. If they were to randomly fire, they would fire at the exact same time. Happy birthday Necrosaint.
I agree with the "exact person, exact environment -> exact same actions" but I mean.. you can't control an environment so perfectly. For example flat surfaces aren't truly flat and 2 lights aren't exactly as bright so you just can't control it. Apart from that problem the 2 clones would need the exact prior experiences.
So if you just had two clones they wouldn't act alike due to environmental variables before and during the fight. If you theoretically were able to create an exact situation then it would be a complete mirror, but I don't see that happening.
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Wait.. So you are telling me that you acknowledge that the environment is perfectly symmetrical, a vacuum like the poster above mentioned, and that our two subjects are exactly identical, but there is still variance? If they have the exact same thought when they throw a bunch, and are both identical in their physical build up, their punch will fail the same way.
And yes, I can say that you are wrong, because that, my friend, is fact.
Edit: Several people are bringing up the fact that such an environment is impossible or this scenario is impossible. Well of course that is true. But we are just assuming that such a thing exists for the sake of conversation.
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If it was truly my clone then no one would fight since we'd both oversleep and say we'd do it tomorrow...
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On April 12 2011 01:29 Navane wrote:
ZvZ will hapen
In my case it would be a TvT, and we'd both proxy BBS in the center of the map.
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Oh, and I wouldnt fight. I'm not stupid. Me neither.
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A more important question:
Would you improve if you and your clone were practice partners?
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On April 12 2011 01:42 frogurt wrote:
A more important question:
Would you improve if you and your clone were practice partners?
Shadowboxing is supposed to be a huge training tool in many arts. I would assume that fighting yourself would be just as good. But a much better question than the original.
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On April 12 2011 01:32 holynorth wrote:
Wait.. So you are telling me that you acknowledge that the environment is perfectly symmetrical, a vacuum like the poster above mentioned, and that our two subjects are exactly identical, but there is still variance?
yes i'm acknowledging that we're in a perfectly symmetrical vacuum-like environment, i fucking read the OP unlike so many other of you dumb asses.
If they have the exact same thought when they throw a bunch, and are both identical in their physical build up, their punch will fail the same way.
no, i don't think there punch will fail(fall?) the same way because if i throw a punch at a punching bag twice in a row being as identical as possible in "physical build up"(?) the punches will still have wildly varying force, and i know that isn't proof itself because it's possible that it varies *only* because i just threw the last punch, but i don't believe that's the case and i think it would vary even if i went back in time and threw it again, and it's more evidence than you're giving.
And yes, I can say that you are wrong, because that, my friend, is fact.
how is that fact? what is your definition of fact? since when is anything in this thread fact? you are the worst philosophy student ever.
But we are just assuming that such a thing exists for the sake of conversation.
you're also assuming that you're right for the sake of being able to go around saying you're right
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Mythito, you seem pretty angry man. This upsetting you?
You're comparison to punching a punching bag twice is also pointless. If both people punched a punching bag twice, they would tire the exact same way and hit it both times identically.
Keep raging though. It's entertaining.
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