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phANT1m
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
South Africa535 Posts
April 27 2011 11:08 GMT
#401
We would know that its time to team up and mess with every person that has troubled me. Also we would enjoy a ton of 2v2 knowing what strats we both going.
Brethern
Profile Joined February 2011
231 Posts
April 27 2011 13:41 GMT
#402
Me and my clone would probably not know each other is there.

My standard approach to things is to stay in the dark. In the dark it cannot see me Nor I can see it.
Also whoever steps into the light I can see.
Cubu
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1171 Posts
April 27 2011 13:44 GMT
#403
i'll wait for him to make his first move, then i will proceed with my move to counter it.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
April 27 2011 13:49 GMT
#404
On April 27 2011 22:44 Cubu wrote:
i'll wait for him to make his first move, then i will proceed with my move to counter it.


Which means you both would wait forever waiting for the other to make the first move...


I'd shake my clones Hand, say "let's call it a draw" and then we'd kill each other in SC2 instead.
Adryen
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom20 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 14:07:56
April 27 2011 14:03 GMT
#405
I wouldn't fight me, i'd walk up to me and go "is this a mirror?" and upon learning it's real, i'd chat for a bit, until i realised it's just me, get bored at being unable to find out anything new or interesting i don't already know and leave promptly.
Cifer
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom69 Posts
April 27 2011 14:38 GMT
#406
One can always do something making the other not able to do the same move. e.g. if you try to grab his right arm and he tries to grab yours, this will force a different situation for one of them. One arm might be under the other one or any number of possibilities that will create a non symmetrical chain of events.
UFO
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
582 Posts
April 27 2011 14:54 GMT
#407
You would never be able to make any different move, your experience could not be different in any way, never ever.

If it was, then either the clone was not truly identical to you or your respective environments were not identical.

The only exception could happen, when both of you had an objectively random reaction to an event. Key word here, is objectively - meaning that the reaction is truly random from a perspective of perfect, faultless perception, not human perception, provided that the objectively random reaction or event is possible in this world.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
April 27 2011 15:04 GMT
#408
On April 10 2011 06:25 Xanbatou wrote:
So I was recently having a discussion with one of my friends. It started off as what you would do if you were in a small room with a clone with no artifacts except for one light source in the very center of the room. We started talking about fighting your clone and then we started arguing about how the fight would play out:

Since you are perfect clones of each other (i.e. same physical and mental attributes), you would have the same exact thought processes. My friend argued that the fight would be somewhat dynamic and, although you would have the same fighting style, you would be doing different moves at different times and therefore you would be reacting differently.

I argued that, since you have the same thought processes, you would both choose to not only open the fight with the same exact move, but you would also open the fight at the same exact time. You would then both see the same move and respond in exactly the same way and you would end up mirroring each others moves.

I thought this was an interesting question and I was wondering what TL would think.

EDIT: To be more specific, the room in question is a perfectly symmetric room in every aspect. In fact, to make it even more symmetric, maybe instead of a single light source at the center of the room, the entire ceiling actually emits some low level light. Basically, the room is designed so that two people in the room will experience the same exact stimuli.

EDIT2: By clone, I don't mean the modern conventional definition. I just mean some entity that is exactly the same as you are both mentally and physically. Also, this clone is created the instant you enter the room, so it has all your memories up until that point.


Even though the room lacks stimuli it is there in form of your clone. Just because you are a clone doesn't mean you are similar in every way. Maybe he haven't eaten breakfest while you did, which effect your mindset. Even the slighest change will eventually lead to altered behaviour. The only event where you would mirror each other exactly would be if he were similar to you in every single way, down to the last molecule (which is something else than a clone). So basically I'm on your friends side.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1806 Posts
April 27 2011 15:05 GMT
#409
i fight with myself all the time.
火心 Jealous. I always loved that feeling when I was young. Embrace it.
ToxNub
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada805 Posts
April 27 2011 17:23 GMT
#410
Read something about Chaos Theory.

Even the very fact that you and your clone cannot be in the same position at the same time is plenty cause for rapid and snowballing divergence.
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
April 27 2011 18:16 GMT
#411
So it would come down to fighting a mirror, a 3 dimensional mirror.

meh. I'd still win.

Mentos would find a way.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
April 27 2011 18:18 GMT
#412
A clone is not a mirror You'll both do different things regardless of being clones.
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
Overpowered
Profile Joined January 2011
Czech Republic764 Posts
April 27 2011 18:29 GMT
#413
I´d win.
Just another gold Protoss...
Wivyx
Profile Joined May 2009
Norway624 Posts
April 27 2011 18:36 GMT
#414
I believe there would be identical moves.
probob
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany227 Posts
April 27 2011 18:44 GMT
#415
We would look at each other and stop fighting and smoke a huge joint instead.
Ich bin ein Berliner
Vortok
Profile Joined December 2009
United States830 Posts
May 01 2011 22:11 GMT
#416
Rejoice at finally having someone that doesn't suck to play the games I'm interested in with? Co-op games can be fun, unless the person/people you're playing with are at vastly different skill levels. And of course having twice the manpower for other tasks in life.

Far too lazy to actually fight myself. Too much work/effort required for little to no reward.


The movie "The Prestige" has some mildly interesting relevance to the topic. (spooooiiilllleeeerrr)
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
May 01 2011 22:22 GMT
#417
On April 27 2011 23:54 UFO wrote:
You would never be able to make any different move, your experience could not be different in any way, never ever.

If it was, then either the clone was not truly identical to you or your respective environments were not identical.

The only exception could happen, when both of you had an objectively random reaction to an event. Key word here, is objectively - meaning that the reaction is truly random from a perspective of perfect, faultless perception, not human perception, provided that the objectively random reaction or event is possible in this world.


I agree and this would mean you couldn't break the cycle ever, unless you got a true random generator. You mention that you're not sure if there is anything in the universe objectively random, there is as far as human science know only one. That is subatomic particles, the current theory of quantum physics is in part based on subatomic particles moving in a truly random fashion and as far as human science can tell every single other action in the universe is deterministic or based on a previous action and so not random. So to break this cycle you would need random generators based on subatomic particles. (An interesting but unrelated point is that no matter how much of the universe is deterministic or not you can prove that free will is impossible because actions have to be either random or set in stone responses, but that's for another thread)
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
May 01 2011 22:31 GMT
#418
Since the head focus of teamliquid is starcraft 2 I want to make an example with that.

We all know that even zealots hitting each other both cannot be killed, so in other way I think either me or the clone will come out on top. Whoever get's the first hit.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
fiskrens
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden196 Posts
May 01 2011 22:56 GMT
#419
both would lose
Inside.Out
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada569 Posts
May 02 2011 00:02 GMT
#420
i think it would come down to something random, like somebody stumbling or throwing a punch while off balance.
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