EPTWhat would happen if you fought your clone? - Page 21
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phANT1m
South Africa535 Posts
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Brethern
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My standard approach to things is to stay in the dark. In the dark it cannot see me Nor I can see it. Also whoever steps into the light I can see. | ||
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Cubu
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On April 27 2011 22:44 Cubu wrote: i'll wait for him to make his first move, then i will proceed with my move to counter it. Which means you both would wait forever waiting for the other to make the first move... I'd shake my clones Hand, say "let's call it a draw" and then we'd kill each other in SC2 instead. | ||
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Adryen
United Kingdom20 Posts
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Cifer
United Kingdom69 Posts
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UFO
582 Posts
If it was, then either the clone was not truly identical to you or your respective environments were not identical. The only exception could happen, when both of you had an objectively random reaction to an event. Key word here, is objectively - meaning that the reaction is truly random from a perspective of perfect, faultless perception, not human perception, provided that the objectively random reaction or event is possible in this world. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On April 10 2011 06:25 Xanbatou wrote: So I was recently having a discussion with one of my friends. It started off as what you would do if you were in a small room with a clone with no artifacts except for one light source in the very center of the room. We started talking about fighting your clone and then we started arguing about how the fight would play out: Since you are perfect clones of each other (i.e. same physical and mental attributes), you would have the same exact thought processes. My friend argued that the fight would be somewhat dynamic and, although you would have the same fighting style, you would be doing different moves at different times and therefore you would be reacting differently. I argued that, since you have the same thought processes, you would both choose to not only open the fight with the same exact move, but you would also open the fight at the same exact time. You would then both see the same move and respond in exactly the same way and you would end up mirroring each others moves. I thought this was an interesting question and I was wondering what TL would think. EDIT: To be more specific, the room in question is a perfectly symmetric room in every aspect. In fact, to make it even more symmetric, maybe instead of a single light source at the center of the room, the entire ceiling actually emits some low level light. Basically, the room is designed so that two people in the room will experience the same exact stimuli. EDIT2: By clone, I don't mean the modern conventional definition. I just mean some entity that is exactly the same as you are both mentally and physically. Also, this clone is created the instant you enter the room, so it has all your memories up until that point. Even though the room lacks stimuli it is there in form of your clone. Just because you are a clone doesn't mean you are similar in every way. Maybe he haven't eaten breakfest while you did, which effect your mindset. Even the slighest change will eventually lead to altered behaviour. The only event where you would mirror each other exactly would be if he were similar to you in every single way, down to the last molecule (which is something else than a clone). So basically I'm on your friends side. | ||
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JMave
Singapore1802 Posts
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ToxNub
Canada805 Posts
Even the very fact that you and your clone cannot be in the same position at the same time is plenty cause for rapid and snowballing divergence. | ||
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
meh. I'd still win. Mentos would find a way. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
 You'll both do different things regardless of being clones. | ||
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Overpowered
Czech Republic764 Posts
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Wivyx
Norway624 Posts
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probob
Germany227 Posts
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Vortok
United States830 Posts
Far too lazy to actually fight myself. Too much work/effort required for little to no reward. The movie "The Prestige" has some mildly interesting relevance to the topic. (spooooiiilllleeeerrr) | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
On April 27 2011 23:54 UFO wrote: You would never be able to make any different move, your experience could not be different in any way, never ever. If it was, then either the clone was not truly identical to you or your respective environments were not identical. The only exception could happen, when both of you had an objectively random reaction to an event. Key word here, is objectively - meaning that the reaction is truly random from a perspective of perfect, faultless perception, not human perception, provided that the objectively random reaction or event is possible in this world. I agree and this would mean you couldn't break the cycle ever, unless you got a true random generator. You mention that you're not sure if there is anything in the universe objectively random, there is as far as human science know only one. That is subatomic particles, the current theory of quantum physics is in part based on subatomic particles moving in a truly random fashion and as far as human science can tell every single other action in the universe is deterministic or based on a previous action and so not random. So to break this cycle you would need random generators based on subatomic particles. (An interesting but unrelated point is that no matter how much of the universe is deterministic or not you can prove that free will is impossible because actions have to be either random or set in stone responses, but that's for another thread) | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
We all know that even zealots hitting each other both cannot be killed, so in other way I think either me or the clone will come out on top. Whoever get's the first hit. | ||
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fiskrens
Sweden196 Posts
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Inside.Out
Canada569 Posts
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