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Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
April 11 2011 11:11 GMT
#221
Just because it's a clone it doesn't mean you'll have the same thought process.

That's like saying your thought process is already decided and all the thoughts you'll have in life are already pre-determined.

//tx
"A coward is not someone that runs from a battle knowing he will lose. A coward is someone who challenges a weak knowing he will win."
Butterz
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
688 Posts
April 11 2011 11:15 GMT
#222
i would start playing 1v1 starcraft xD
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
April 11 2011 11:16 GMT
#223
On April 11 2011 20:11 Tschis wrote:
Just because it's a clone it doesn't mean you'll have the same thought process.

That's like saying your thought process is already decided and all the thoughts you'll have in life are already pre-determined.

//tx



Yes you will, if you do not then it is not an excact clone. Your thoughts are not pre-determined, excactly what they are decided by is obviously somewhat hard to pinpoint but it is probably mainly influenced by your past (the clone has the excact same past\memory) your enviorment (clone has excact same enviorment) And genetics (clone has excact same genetics.)

D=?
Wat
Gummy
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2180 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 11:18:23
April 11 2011 11:16 GMT
#224
What happens when identical twins fight?
Edit: Saw revision in OP.

Is there randomness allowed in your closed system? If there is perfect symmetry, then nobody can decisively "win." Whatever one person does is done by the other and whatever is done to one person is done to the other.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can count and those who can't.
-Exalt-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 21:29:25
April 11 2011 11:18 GMT
#225
I'de convince him to be my friend instead, nobody is as cool as myself..
Swwww
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Switzerland812 Posts
April 11 2011 11:19 GMT
#226
I wouldn't fight him, I'de side with him. With two of me there isn't a thing in this world that could stop me!
"What is this TeamSupportGroup?" - mahnini.
gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
April 11 2011 11:20 GMT
#227
On April 11 2011 20:11 Tschis wrote:
Just because it's a clone it doesn't mean you'll have the same thought process.

That's like saying your thought process is already decided and all the thoughts you'll have in life are already pre-determined.

//tx


This is all hypothetical, so I won't come out as an elitist and say you are "wrong". However, I think that is incorrect; IF a person/place/object were to be an EXACT replica and clone (once again, referring to my previous point, there is no such possibility in the known universe as an exact 100% clone/replica), then both persons/places/objects would exhibit identical characteristics, based on their genetic makeup and/or physical makeup, thus offsetting each other perfectly.

Solution? They would never exist amongst one another. I know this is an annoying answer to swallow, since it kills braincrafting, but I think it is the only actual answer; other theories seem to forget the fact that these are exact replications, and from my knowledge, there is no such existance of two perfectly identical objects in the universe which can combat each other.
C r u m b l i n g
myfriendspro
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom51 Posts
April 11 2011 11:20 GMT
#228
On April 10 2011 06:30 iNcontroL wrote:
I'd win.


This would also be the outcome of a fight between me vs my clone.

Geoff would win.
Swwww
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Switzerland812 Posts
April 11 2011 11:20 GMT
#229
On April 11 2011 20:18 EternaL_9 wrote:
I'de convince him to do me sexual favors.

Why? Well, masturbation isn't weird and that is PRETTY much having sex with yourself. Why would having sex with your clone be weird?


G to the a y - You would be having sex with another man just because he is a clone of you doesn't mean he is not a separate entity from you
"What is this TeamSupportGroup?" - mahnini.
Cheeseburgered
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States716 Posts
April 11 2011 11:23 GMT
#230
I would shoot mine in the head

he'd never see it coming and would be unable to react to such an attack
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
April 11 2011 11:26 GMT
#231
It would easily end up in a simultaneous KO on both sides. We both couldn't keep our hands up, but we'd both throw crazy punches.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
April 11 2011 11:27 GMT
#232
I would just EMP it considering its a hallucination.
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
underscore
Profile Joined August 2009
252 Posts
April 11 2011 11:42 GMT
#233
We would engange in an epic fight and get knocked out at the same time. Then a scientist and a guard enter the room. Leg sweep! We fooled you, suckers.
We grab the Lasergun from the guard and shoot him in the face. The scientiest tries to scream for help but we smack him with the gun.
We'd fist bump and say "clone power". We use the scientist as a hostage and escape. After hiding in the underground of post apocalyptic New York City we get approached by rebels that are fighting against the evil clone men. As we are the only ones that know where the clone facilty is we go back in and blow the facility up by pressing the self-destruction button.
We also rescue two superhot clone chicks.
Outside while the facilty explodes in the background we make love to these sweet girls. Fistbump. Clone power.
Maxwell3
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States88 Posts
April 11 2011 11:50 GMT
#234
On April 11 2011 20:16 Earll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 20:11 Tschis wrote:
Just because it's a clone it doesn't mean you'll have the same thought process.

That's like saying your thought process is already decided and all the thoughts you'll have in life are already pre-determined.

//tx



Yes you will, if you do not then it is not an excact clone. Your thoughts are not pre-determined, excactly what they are decided by is obviously somewhat hard to pinpoint but it is probably mainly influenced by your past (the clone has the excact same past\memory) your enviorment (clone has excact same enviorment) And genetics (clone has excact same genetics.)

D=?

You can't just do whatever you want in a fight... your actions are based off your environment. You've just been watching too many movies.
I'm in love with a girl named bara bell
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 11:53:26
April 11 2011 11:52 GMT
#235
On April 11 2011 20:50 Maxwell3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 20:16 Earll wrote:
On April 11 2011 20:11 Tschis wrote:
Just because it's a clone it doesn't mean you'll have the same thought process.

That's like saying your thought process is already decided and all the thoughts you'll have in life are already pre-determined.

//tx



Yes you will, if you do not then it is not an excact clone. Your thoughts are not pre-determined, excactly what they are decided by is obviously somewhat hard to pinpoint but it is probably mainly influenced by your past (the clone has the excact same past\memory) your enviorment (clone has excact same enviorment) And genetics (clone has excact same genetics.)

D=?

You can't just do whatever you want in a fight... your actions are based off your environment. You've just been watching too many movies.


How is me watching too many movies at all related to you not reading the OP? If you did you would realize the hypothetical enviorment is perfectly symetrical and excactly the same for both clones.
Wat
Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
April 11 2011 12:01 GMT
#236
On April 11 2011 20:18 EternaL_9 wrote:
I'de convince him to do me sexual favors.

Why? Well, masturbation isn't weird and that is PRETTY much having sex with yourself. Why would having sex with your clone be weird?



Because my clone is a guy? It's not the same for me, maybe I'm too homophobic. Imagine if you could would you use your mouth for pleasuring yourself? I had a decent discussion about this with my friends, its still a cock in your mouth, i wouldn't care if its mine. It's the same with other holes too.
pileopoop
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada317 Posts
April 11 2011 12:32 GMT
#237
One of the simplest way to realize you wouldn't copy the exact same moves is to look at your heartbeat. Once the heartbeat is off everything else is off. Even the electricity in your brain waves would never be the same. Even your position in the universe would affect you.
sTromSK
Profile Joined April 2010
Slovakia77 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 12:46:40
April 11 2011 12:45 GMT
#238
i dont like how many of you dont consider dualistic view (mind and brain are different substances), im not telling this is the right one, just many of you dont bother with even mentioning it

but i agree with those with materialistic and stochastic stance:
from my understanding of quantum effects.. they usually net each other out but if the clones fought for a long enough time - they would have some impact (to mental processes and physical execution).
But this also depends on the physics of the "perfectly homogenic and same environment" in which the clones fight)..

But good question.. thanks OP.
change the world.. or go home
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
April 11 2011 12:55 GMT
#239
On April 10 2011 06:25 Xanbatou wrote:
So I was recently having a discussion with one of my friends. It started off as what you would do if you were in a small room with a clone with no artifacts except for one light source in the very center of the room. We started talking about fighting your clone and then we started arguing about how the fight would play out:

Since you are perfect clones of each other (i.e. same physical and mental attributes), you would have the same exact thought processes. My friend argued that the fight would be somewhat dynamic and, although you would have the same fighting style, you would be doing different moves at different times and therefore you would be reacting differently.

I argued that, since you have the same thought processes, you would both choose to not only open the fight with the same exact move, but you would also open the fight at the same exact time. You would then both see the same move and respond in exactly the same way and you would end up mirroring each others moves.

I thought this was an interesting question and I was wondering what TL would think.

EDIT: To be more specific, the room in question is a perfectly symmetric room in every aspect. In fact, to make it even more symmetric, maybe instead of a single light source at the center of the room, the entire ceiling actually emits some low level light. Basically, the room is designed so that two people in the room will experience the same exact stimuli.

EDIT2: By clone, I don't mean the modern conventional definition. I just mean some entity that is exactly the same as you are both mentally and physically. Also, this clone is created the instant you enter the room, so it has all your memories up until that point.


There's nothing that says that a clone would have the exact same thought process as what it was a clone of. Your personality and other mental attributes are shaped second to second with every interaction and experience you make - a clone would rapidly change to be a mentally different person that the original person.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
April 11 2011 12:56 GMT
#240
first one to use mean tactics would win. (means the first one that decides winning is more important then ethics.)

So whoever leaves the room is more evil than before. Other option would be we decide to work together and do a fusion and find the evil person responsibel for this and punish him *-*.
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