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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-17 23:20:25
February 17 2016 23:20 GMT
#7161
Report: Israel Strikes Syrian Army Outposts Near Damascus

Three Israeli rockets hit military outposts south of Damascus, Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said. Pro-Assad source, Hezbollah TV deny report.


http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.703990?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Yes im
trulojucreathrma.com
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
United States327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-18 00:03:55
February 17 2016 23:55 GMT
#7162
On February 18 2016 07:35 Sermokala wrote:

1. Iran was trying to get a nuke


That's known to be a lie. They were developing nuclear technology, which they are allowed to do. They kind of tricked the IAEA on occasion.

Only evidence that Iran was developing a nuclear bomb is this:
https://media.guim.co.uk/2f32764b7c6ee3c4e797ae317f59c9156ebfbc63/0_0_2732_1639/2000.jpg


2. How do they not threaten Isreal as a country?


Really? Even if they commit a 9/11 every day, the existence of Israel isn't at danger. It would be horrible, but they aren't being invaded and occupied.


3. Palestine isn't apart of Isreal?


Yes it is. Israel has been occupying these territories for a long long time. They are de-facto Israel by now. The people living there should be able to vote in the Israeli election. (It wouldn't mean anything if the election commission disqualifies parties that oppose the country being a jewish state, or a state for Jews only, like they are now)



The Intifada's threatenes Israel's existence. Hamas tossing rockets into civilian areas threatens Israels existence.


The (second) intifada is a resistance movement, violent and non-violent, against an illegal occupation by Israel. Historians think the second intifada ended in 2005.
Hamas shoots rockets into Israel when there is tension. They don't randomly do it. If you go look you will see that there's a lot of cases where Israel starts or escalates, and the 'rockets' come as a response. You paint it like only Palestinians, there's more than just Hamas in Gaza, start by randomly shooting these things.

And calling them 'rockets' propagates the idea that they are actual rockets from Iran, which you believe. They cut pipes of the right diameter, fill them with explosive stuff, and shoot them. You below claim they are rockets from Iran. Iran gave Hezbollah high tech rocket, whcih they used the shoot at the Israeli navy warship inside Lebanon terretorial waters when Israel was invading Lebanon.

Hamas is not shooting high tech Iranian stuff at civilians. That you believe this propaganda means you listen to the wrong media, meaning that most of what you say is going to be wrong.

Which means that most of what I sy is going to sound 'incoherent' because you will have never heard views like these (which happen to be closer to the truth).



This is just incoherent so its hard to accurately respond to. "greater Israel" is something I've never heard of and I take it that its taken from some weird Balkan "greater Serbia" propaganda.


It used to exist in the past. And you don't need to go back to biblical times. They also admit they need the land as buffers against enemies, they explain.


How can Isreal be inaccurate that they're not under attack when the rockets are being launched at them. I don't know what you consider "harsh retaliation" but Israels air strikes are the most moral attacks the world has ever seen.


If you deliberately kill 2000 people to avenge the death of 2, that's not moral.


drooping leaflets about when you're going to bomb and phoning ahead to the building they're going to bomb is worlds ahead of what anyone has ever been expected to do.


Really? Assad also dropped leaflets a few days ago.
Go read up cases reported by human rights organisations. When we had the Gaza war in 2014, human rights violations on both sides are well-documented.
But statements like this really tell me you are naieve and uninformed. An IDF trained spokeperson wouldn't dare to argue that way. They'd know better.


What in the fuck do you think "unguided firework bombs with shrapnel" are? They're rockets that are made in Iran and shipped over to Hamas.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket


This isn't disputed by anyone even the harshest critics of Isreals responses to Hamas. You can accuse them of fireing at civilians when they're aiming them twords civilian centers. They're doing this to kill civilians and the fact that you're saying that they're hoping that it kills Israeli babies is whats fucked up. Then you go insulting Palestinians saying how they don't deserve freedom.


They can't aim them. They just shoot. Of course they are fucked up. But that doesn't mean I won't attack Israel for bombing a whole city when qassam rockets damage 16 buildings and kill 2 people. And yes, with Iron Dome it would have been exactly the same. They fire hundreds of these rockets with almost no impact.


If you have any proof about your last point I would very much enjoy seeing that. The west gains very much by supporting a country that values women over countries that don't value women. The west gains very much from supporting a country with a modern capitalist industry over those that can't get past the "you can't kill people who disagree with you stage" of nation building.


Proof for what?

Israel has exactly this policy; "Arabs understand only violence." Oh, and under Jewish orthodoxy, women don't have it so great either.

Btw, our political leaders don't care about woman's rights. That's not why they support Israel. Why else would they be in love with Saudi?

And no, we don't gain anything from more woman's rights in Saudi Arabia or Israel or anywhere else.
ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
February 18 2016 09:12 GMT
#7163
Turkish air strikes hit PKK camps in northern Iraq after Ankara bomb kills 28


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-blast-idUSKCN0VQ25S
Yes im
zion
Profile Joined June 2003
Belgium31 Posts
February 18 2016 10:34 GMT
#7164
Don't get it, isnt that suicide bomber confirmed from isis ? and kurds deny its their attack.
But still bomb kurds.
legalize the herb
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11925 Posts
February 18 2016 10:57 GMT
#7165
On February 18 2016 19:34 zion wrote:
Don't get it, isnt that suicide bomber confirmed from isis ? and kurds deny its their attack.
But still bomb kurds.


I don't see how that is in any way relevant to bombing kurds as a reaction.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
February 18 2016 11:08 GMT
#7166
On February 18 2016 19:34 zion wrote:
Don't get it, isnt that suicide bomber confirmed from isis ? and kurds deny its their attack.
But still bomb kurds.

Erdogan can strangle a baby on live TV and his constituency will still be convinced that the PKK did it.
trulojucreathrma.com
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
United States327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-18 11:55:07
February 18 2016 11:52 GMT
#7167
On February 18 2016 19:34 zion wrote:
Don't get it, isnt that suicide bomber confirmed from isis ? and kurds deny its their attack.
But still bomb kurds.


Turkey wants to crush the Kurds. They don't care about IS. They may even support IS eventhough IS tries to blow up their citizens.

When IS does a terrorist attack, they blame the Kurds as they have nothing to gain from IS. In fact, IS is an enemy of their enemy.

This is what terrorist attacks do. They give a mandate to the government to do crazy stuff. They increase polarisation. They allow the government to restrict freedoms.
That is what terrorists want, but that is also what some government wants. There interests align. So governments often collude with terrorists.

Why would IS claim the attack? They are loving it their enemy gets blamed for it. They instantly got what they want on a silver plate. They are now celebrating and tomorrow they will find some other fool with no goal in life to blow themselves up.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
February 18 2016 12:29 GMT
#7168
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/syrian-govt-not-given-gps-data-of-hospital-hit-by-strike
GENEVA (AP) — Doctors Without Borders says it took the wrenching decision not to formally inform Syria's government or its Russian allies about the location of some medical facilities like one hit by a deadly airstrike this week.

The charity says repeated attacks against health facilities during Syria's five-year civil war has led medical staffers to ask the group not to provide GPS coordinates of some sites like one in the town of Maaret al-Numan hit four times in attacks Monday, killing at least seven people. Eight remain missing.

MSF, as the group is known by its French acronym, says the responsibility to avoid hitting civilians rests with combatants.

MSF operations director Isabelle Defourny says she expects some medical staffers now will ask that their sites' locations be specified to government officials.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
huun
Profile Joined October 2004
Turkey58 Posts
February 18 2016 14:30 GMT
#7169
On February 18 2016 19:34 zion wrote:
Don't get it, isnt that suicide bomber confirmed from isis ? and kurds deny its their attack.
But still bomb kurds.


since when pkk=kurds? maybe i should to link hundreds of photos of dead kurds which pkk killed.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18368 Posts
February 18 2016 15:02 GMT
#7170
On February 18 2016 19:34 zion wrote:
Don't get it, isnt that suicide bomber confirmed from isis ? and kurds deny its their attack.
But still bomb kurds.

Where'd you get that info? The only source I found regarding the ID of the bomber is that Turkish officialso say he is a Syrian with ties to YPG.
Can't find anything about ISIS.

It's also a bit disturbing how everybody replying here assumed that that is true and jumped on the Turk hate wagon...

Not to say I like the Turkish actions with regard to this war, but jumping straight to the worst conclusion does nobody any favors.
zion
Profile Joined June 2003
Belgium31 Posts
February 18 2016 15:29 GMT
#7171
" Accused Ankara suicide bomber Salih Necar(Najar) from Deir ezur under ISIS control " from
http://isis.liveuamap.com/en/2016/18-february-accused-ankara-suicide-bomber-salih-necarnajar

but yeah maybe my confirmed thingy shouldnt b there cuz its not official confirmed . Sorry about that .

Also i don't understand everything about this war , so sry if i pointed towards wrong people ( i,e the reply of pkk=kurds)
legalize the herb
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18368 Posts
February 18 2016 15:43 GMT
#7172
On February 19 2016 00:29 zion wrote:
" Accused Ankara suicide bomber Salih Necar(Najar) from Deir ezur under ISIS control " from
http://isis.liveuamap.com/en/2016/18-february-accused-ankara-suicide-bomber-salih-necarnajar

but yeah maybe my confirmed thingy shouldnt b there cuz its not official confirmed . Sorry about that .

Also i don't understand everything about this war , so sry if i pointed towards wrong people ( i,e the reply of pkk=kurds)

Given that ISIS didn't exist until a couple of years ago and controls a fair amount of land with people of different ethnicities and allegiances, I am not very convinced by the "he comes from there and is therefore ISIS" argument. I don't know why the Turks think he has ties to YPG. It clearly fits their narrative, but I haven't seen anyone actually claiming he doesn't have ties to the YPG.

Of course, we're skipping over the question of how the Turks figured it all out so quickly and we're able to find trustworthy fingerprints at ground 0 of a bomb blast to identify this Salih Necer.
zion
Profile Joined June 2003
Belgium31 Posts
February 18 2016 15:51 GMT
#7173
I don't know, but i hope he is not from ypg , i hear bad and good about them.
But i like it that they fight isis .
legalize the herb
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11925 Posts
February 18 2016 18:37 GMT
#7174
It is also completely irrelevant. Erdogan wants to bomb kurds, so he will find a way to make sure that anything that happens will be based on a kurdish plot. Facts are not really important to this.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
February 18 2016 19:29 GMT
#7175
http://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/us-asked-russia-not-to-bomb-near-us-commandos-in-syria-1.394848
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon disclosed on Thursday that U.S. officials asked Russia to avoid bombing broad areas of northern Syria where several dozen U.S. special operation forces have been working with Syrians fighting the Islamic State group.
The request, which had not previously been revealed, goes beyond what the Pentagon calls its "memorandum of understanding" with the Russians to avoid inadvertent military air collisions over Syria.
...

Brown is commander of U.S. Air Forces Central Command, responsible for U.S. air operations across the greater Middle East.

Brown said the Russians have identified airfields in Syria "that they don't want us flying close to." He said those are beyond where U.S. planes normally operate, "so, that hasn't been an issue."

Cook said the request to Russia that its warplanes avoid areas where U.S. troops are operating was made with troop safety in mind. He would not say when the U.S. request was made or who in the Pentagon made it.

"I'm not going to get into details other than to say that there was an effort made to protect the safety of our people from the risk of Russian airstrikes," Cook said. "And that those steps were taken, and those so far have been honored."
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-19 10:57:53
February 19 2016 10:41 GMT
#7176
http://in.reuters.com/article/mideast-crisis-syria-ceasefire-idINKCN0VS0YT?rpc=401
U.S. and Russian military officials have held talks in Geneva ahead of a wider U.N. meeting on Friday aimed at trying to secure a cessation of hostilities in Syria, diplomats said.

The unannounced bilateral meeting was aimed at narrowing positions before the two powers jointly chair a United Nations meeting on the issue, they said, declining to give details.

"The idea of the whole exercise is for Russia and the United States to have a joint view," a diplomat close to the process told Reuters.

and then https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russia-says-international-meeting-for-syria-cease-fire-cancelled/2016/02/19/47179aac-d692-11e5-a65b-587e721fb231_story.html
BEIRUT — A meeting of the international coordinating group charged with implementing a cease-fire in Syria was cancelled Friday, Russia's foreign ministry said, delaying any reduction of hostilities and raising further questions about the workability of the truce.

The coordinating group was due to convene in Geneva Friday but called off the meeting, the office of Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said. She was not immediately available to comment on why the meeting had been cancelled.
so US and Russia agreed or disagreed on something but what's more important here is that they(mostly the russians) gave the middle finger to the rest of the coordinating group.

Edit: imo, if i were to guess, i'd say that US made a bid for a Kurdistan region which Russia rejected
MOSCOW,— Russia speaks out in favor of the territorial integrity of Syria and Iraq.

The emergence of Kurdistan will lead to the disintegration of these two countries, as well as of Turkey, Russia’s Ambassador to the UN Vitaly Churkin told Kommersant-FM radio and the Kommersant daily.

“We support the territorial integrity of Syria and the territorial integrity of Iraq, and, of course we respect the Kurds,” Churkin said.
...

“That is, we believe that the Kurds should meet their specific needs, but this should not lead to the disintegration of states. Otherwise, things may come to aggravating various crisis phenomena,” the diplomat said.

“If they begin to build Kurdistan, this could lead to the breakup of three countries – Turkey, Syria and Iraq,” Churkin said.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
February 20 2016 08:42 GMT
#7177
http://ekurd.net/russian-bid-halt-turkey-military-syria-2016-02-20
NEW YORK, United Nations,— Western powers Friday rejected a Russian bid at the United Nations to halt Turkey’s military actions in Syria, as France warned of a dangerous escalation in the nearly five-year conflict.
...
Moscow presented a draft resolution that “strongly demands” an immediate end to cross-border shellings and plans — supported by Turkey — for foreign ground intervention in Syria.

But the text failed to garner support from key council members with at least six countries including veto-wielding France and the United States rejecting it outright during a closed-door meeting, diplomats said.

US Ambassador Samantha Power accused Moscow of trying to “distract the world” from its air campaign in support of the Syrian regime and urged it to abide by UN resolutions supporting a peace process.

“Russia must understand that its unconditional support to Bashar al-Assad is a dead-end and a dead-end that could be extremely dangerous,” French Ambassador Francois Delattre said.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
February 20 2016 13:37 GMT
#7178
[image loading]

Reports coming in that the Syrian Army has closed the ISIS pocket in east Aleppo.

Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
February 20 2016 19:41 GMT
#7179
http://www.redpepper.org.uk/the-refugees-at-the-sharp-end-of-europes-borders/
‘I could kill you here and no one would care’: The refugees at the sharp end of Europe’s borders
Marienna Pope-Weidemann reports from Lesbos on the dangers faced by refugees as they struggle through a system that puts border control before human life
February 2016


pretty hardcore stuff on the refugee crisis in Greece/Lesbos; the difference between the official statements/propaganda and the reality of the situation on the island is astonishing.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
rednusa
Profile Joined October 2012
651 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-20 21:05:54
February 20 2016 21:04 GMT
#7180
On February 19 2016 03:37 Simberto wrote:
It is also completely irrelevant. Erdogan wants to bomb kurds, so he will find a way to make sure that anything that happens will be based on a kurdish plot. Facts are not really important to this.


Does he also want to bomb the Peshmerga fighters that Turkish troops had recently been training in Northern Iraq? (Maybe they still are despite they Iraqi government asking Turkey to respect its sovereignty and leave)
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