On May 03 2012 13:03 -Aura- wrote: Poor guy getting everyone to hate on him by saying TDK was bad.
Yeah, but I disagree too. TDK is one of my favorite movies. Ever.
I agree with his opinion - I was one of the few people who was utterly disappointed with the first two Nolan Batman movies. I think the worst way he screwed up was in Wayne's character. He emphasised the playboy aspect, but made him seem immature - whereas the Burton ones made Wayne a silent, thoughtful Bruce Wayne, and even when he was with women he was strong and alpha, whereas Nolan makes Wayne some guy who is like oh wow this Batmobile is sooo cool I want one! I especially hated the scene where he was in the water with those prostitutes and Katie Holmes sees him and is disappointed at what a boy he was.
The Bruce Wayne I know is intelligent, always training, always looking down on others and commanding respect, always thinking ten steps ahead of everyone else - he just delegated duties (rather than relying on people like Alfred to give him maturity, Lucious to do all his computer stuff). Nolan's Wayne is just a pussy-ass 30 year old guy who still acts like a kid. Even in the comics when Batman was a mummy's boy he did it in a silent, resilent way. Not the weak Wayne we see in Nolan's movies.
You clearly missed the whole point of Wayne's development of a character then. The movie is called Batman Begins. It's the story of how Wayne took on the role of Batman and grew from a immature playboy billionaire to a dark, remorseful character that needed to do what was best for Gotham. Wayne grew from the way he was in Begins to what you saw in Burton's Batman, the silent and thoughtful Wayne we saw in The Dark Knight.
I disagree. When you read the comics - Wayne as a young man was someone who was always remembering his parents' death. He didn't get drunk like the Nolan one. When he returned from training with Ras in Nolan's movie, he goes back to town and starts getting drunk and acting like a total douchebag. In the comics he's serious the whole time, whilst knowing when to socialise for the sake of appearance - but he never got into the socialising (just pretended to). You would often see comic panels where he's laughing with a woman and some reporters, and then in the next panel he'll have a dark thoughtful face rubbing his chin thinking something along the lines of: "I wonder what Penguin's plan is, I must get these people out of here without raising suspicion."
The Wayne in Nolan's movie seems like he doesn't know what he wants after his parents' death, so he just freestyles and throws his money and life around. But the Wayne I like is the one who was angry about his parents' death, but never spent a single day not thinking about how to fight crime. He dealt with his grief through focusing on justice.
The only reason Nolan's movies have been "successful" is because they are about a character everyone knows and loves. Plus Heath Ledger died before one of the movies. If these garbage scripts, direction, editing and music had been applied to any other other character based franchise, no one would watch this shit.
Okay, I get it, people "wear masks" and don't show society who we "really" are DUUAALLLIITTTYYY HUURRGGGH. Vigilantes are no more sanctioned by the law than criminals. Why don't they go find some essays from another group of 13 year old English students to get their 'dark themes' from.
The lighting is too dark. Can't see what's going on.
The voices are too poorly recorded/altered/muttered. Can't hear 20% of what people say.
All the extras look like fucking British hardmen, and/or overact their parts.
Chosing boring villains. The one interesting villain (Joker) was completely ass fucked. Why turn one of the most vibrant, colourful characters in the history of comic books into a generic PSYCHO ANARCHIST. WHOAH HE DOESNT GIVE A SHIITIITTIIIT!!!!! Give me a joker who does shit like poison all the fish in Gotham so they grow Joker faces, and then demand a patent for all the fish that share his unique face. No no no, instead we get...Ra's Ah Ghul, Harvey Dent (and he wasn't twoface, has was Harvey Dent who got disfigured. He did nothing, at all (oh except that time he was in a brutal car crash with no apparent negative effects), Catwoman, Bane....what a snooze fest.
What I would like to see is get out of this damn '2-villain' only format. If Bane, Killer Croc, Penguin or Deadshot is in the movie, they don't have to be the main antagonist. Have a group of villains, one or two ringleaders, and a cast of lesser villains who may be helping or hindering the ringleaders, or just doing there own shit and Batman comes across one while he's trying to deal with the others (e.g. Killer Croc is just randomly fucking around in a sewer and Batman comes across him by chance and has to fight him to continue his objective).
Perhaps the villains could be fighting each other for some reason, and Batman has to control the chaos and end it somehow. Contrary to what Nolan might believe, the movies don't have to center around one or two villains blowing up parts of the city.
This is not a troll. I'm a genuine Batman fan since age 4 (like most kids would be because Batman is just so friggin cool). I'm pissed that these movies are so bad, and yet dumb nerds suck Nolan's cock because it has a 'serious' interpretation of Batman in it.
I can't believe you put boring villain and The Joker from The Dark Knight in the same thought. The writing of these movies is brilliant. Nolan makes everything so real and so much darker than the comics. The Joker brought something to being a villain that i've never seen before. He truly wanted to see the world burn. His goal was to turn good people bad and to just cause chaos. That is much better than most other villains that just want to gain power and rule the world or something. Someone with no weakness who basically just wants to fuck with everyone. It's incredible. I've never seen a movie where everyone was legitimately afraid at every second that something could go terribly wrong. The Joker had complete control of Gotham City and everyone, including Batman, was scared. I wish there were more villains like that.
Anyways I get what you're saying. I just don't agree with it. You like the more traditional batman stories and aren't as big of a fan of the new "darker" adaptations of it. I think it makes Batman more real rather than just another superhero from a comic. But don't discredit Nolan just for the Batman series if you don't like them. Memento, The Prestige, and Inception were all fantastic films.
I stopped reading after that. You haven't read the comics.
On May 03 2012 13:03 -Aura- wrote: Poor guy getting everyone to hate on him by saying TDK was bad.
Yeah, but I disagree too. TDK is one of my favorite movies. Ever.
I agree with his opinion - I was one of the few people who was utterly disappointed with the first two Nolan Batman movies. I think the worst way he screwed up was in Wayne's character. He emphasised the playboy aspect, but made him seem immature - whereas the Burton ones made Wayne a silent, thoughtful Bruce Wayne, and even when he was with women he was strong and alpha, whereas Nolan makes Wayne some guy who is like oh wow this Batmobile is sooo cool I want one! I especially hated the scene where he was in the water with those prostitutes and Katie Holmes sees him and is disappointed at what a boy he was.
The Bruce Wayne I know is intelligent, always training, always looking down on others and commanding respect, always thinking ten steps ahead of everyone else - he just delegated duties (rather than relying on people like Alfred to give him maturity, Lucious to do all his computer stuff). Nolan's Wayne is just a pussy-ass 30 year old guy who still acts like a kid. Even in the comics when Batman was a mummy's boy he did it in a silent, resilent way. Not the weak Wayne we see in Nolan's movies.
... You must've misinprented why we see so much of the "playboy aspect" in the Nolans movies then. The scene you bring up in Batman Begins is actually a perfect example of why you are missing the point. Wayne does this because this is what's expected of Wayne, his playboy aspect is just an act to keep things looking "normal" or they way things has always been. In the scene you mention, Wayne is about as disappointed as you are when Katie Holmes sees him in his role as a playboy, because he knows it's just an act and it's not who he is or who he wants to be.
Wayne wants to be thought of as an immature playboy who only drinks, dates models and pisses away the companies money. This is probably the easiest way to avoid any attention to his company or for anyone to make any connections between Wayne and Batman.
Personally I like this touch to the Wayne character more, because it sort of has Bruce constantly playing different characters while his true character lies in within why he's batman.
All the stuff you say about him being intelligent, always training, delegating duties. I think this fits the Wayne character perfectly in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, it just seems he even got you fooled too.
On May 03 2012 13:03 -Aura- wrote: Poor guy getting everyone to hate on him by saying TDK was bad.
Yeah, but I disagree too. TDK is one of my favorite movies. Ever.
I agree with his opinion - I was one of the few people who was utterly disappointed with the first two Nolan Batman movies. I think the worst way he screwed up was in Wayne's character. He emphasised the playboy aspect, but made him seem immature - whereas the Burton ones made Wayne a silent, thoughtful Bruce Wayne, and even when he was with women he was strong and alpha, whereas Nolan makes Wayne some guy who is like oh wow this Batmobile is sooo cool I want one! I especially hated the scene where he was in the water with those prostitutes and Katie Holmes sees him and is disappointed at what a boy he was.
The Bruce Wayne I know is intelligent, always training, always looking down on others and commanding respect, always thinking ten steps ahead of everyone else - he just delegated duties (rather than relying on people like Alfred to give him maturity, Lucious to do all his computer stuff). Nolan's Wayne is just a pussy-ass 30 year old guy who still acts like a kid. Even in the comics when Batman was a mummy's boy he did it in a silent, resilent way. Not the weak Wayne we see in Nolan's movies.
... You must've misinprented why we see so much of the "playboy aspect" in the Nolans movies then. The scene you bring up in Batman Begins is actually a perfect example of why you are missing the point. Wayne does this because this is what's expected of Wayne, his playboy aspect is just an act to keep things looking "normal" or they way things has always been. In the scene you mention, Wayne is about as disappointed as you are when Katie Holmes sees him in his role as a playboy, because he knows it's just an act and it's not who he is or who he wants to be.
Wayne wants to be thought of as an immature playboy who only drinks, dates models and pisses away the companies money. This is probably the easiest way to avoid any attention to his company or for anyone to make any connections between Wayne and Batman.
Personally I like this touch to the Wayne character more, because it sort of has Bruce constantly playing different characters while his true character lies in within why he's batman.
All the stuff you say about him being intelligent, always training, delegating duties. I think this fits the Wayne character perfectly in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, it just seems he even got you fooled too.
Yeah, I agree. I was always under the impression that Bruce did this to 'fly under the radar'.
Has anyone found the new trailer attached to the Avengers online yet? I'm currently engrossed in a lot of work and will have to wait two weeks until I can watch the Avengers. I just can't wait that long. :\
On May 03 2012 13:03 -Aura- wrote: Poor guy getting everyone to hate on him by saying TDK was bad.
Yeah, but I disagree too. TDK is one of my favorite movies. Ever.
I agree with his opinion - I was one of the few people who was utterly disappointed with the first two Nolan Batman movies. I think the worst way he screwed up was in Wayne's character. He emphasised the playboy aspect, but made him seem immature - whereas the Burton ones made Wayne a silent, thoughtful Bruce Wayne, and even when he was with women he was strong and alpha, whereas Nolan makes Wayne some guy who is like oh wow this Batmobile is sooo cool I want one! I especially hated the scene where he was in the water with those prostitutes and Katie Holmes sees him and is disappointed at what a boy he was.
The Bruce Wayne I know is intelligent, always training, always looking down on others and commanding respect, always thinking ten steps ahead of everyone else - he just delegated duties (rather than relying on people like Alfred to give him maturity, Lucious to do all his computer stuff). Nolan's Wayne is just a pussy-ass 30 year old guy who still acts like a kid. Even in the comics when Batman was a mummy's boy he did it in a silent, resilent way. Not the weak Wayne we see in Nolan's movies.
... You must've misinprented why we see so much of the "playboy aspect" in the Nolans movies then. The scene you bring up in Batman Begins is actually a perfect example of why you are missing the point. Wayne does this because this is what's expected of Wayne, his playboy aspect is just an act to keep things looking "normal" or they way things has always been. In the scene you mention, Wayne is about as disappointed as you are when Katie Holmes sees him in his role as a playboy, because he knows it's just an act and it's not who he is or who he wants to be.
Wayne wants to be thought of as an immature playboy who only drinks, dates models and pisses away the companies money. This is probably the easiest way to avoid any attention to his company or for anyone to make any connections between Wayne and Batman.
Personally I like this touch to the Wayne character more, because it sort of has Bruce constantly playing different characters while his true character lies in within why he's batman.
All the stuff you say about him being intelligent, always training, delegating duties. I think this fits the Wayne character perfectly in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, it just seems he even got you fooled too.
Yeah, I agree. I was always under the impression that Bruce did this to 'fly under the radar'.
Lol exactly! Like in The Dark Knight when Bruce crashes his Lambo into some guy to save his former employee, then plays it off like he was trying to make a red light ; )
On May 03 2012 13:03 -Aura- wrote: Poor guy getting everyone to hate on him by saying TDK was bad.
Yeah, but I disagree too. TDK is one of my favorite movies. Ever.
I agree with his opinion - I was one of the few people who was utterly disappointed with the first two Nolan Batman movies. I think the worst way he screwed up was in Wayne's character. He emphasised the playboy aspect, but made him seem immature - whereas the Burton ones made Wayne a silent, thoughtful Bruce Wayne, and even when he was with women he was strong and alpha, whereas Nolan makes Wayne some guy who is like oh wow this Batmobile is sooo cool I want one! I especially hated the scene where he was in the water with those prostitutes and Katie Holmes sees him and is disappointed at what a boy he was.
The Bruce Wayne I know is intelligent, always training, always looking down on others and commanding respect, always thinking ten steps ahead of everyone else - he just delegated duties (rather than relying on people like Alfred to give him maturity, Lucious to do all his computer stuff). Nolan's Wayne is just a pussy-ass 30 year old guy who still acts like a kid. Even in the comics when Batman was a mummy's boy he did it in a silent, resilent way. Not the weak Wayne we see in Nolan's movies.
... You must've misinprented why we see so much of the "playboy aspect" in the Nolans movies then. The scene you bring up in Batman Begins is actually a perfect example of why you are missing the point. Wayne does this because this is what's expected of Wayne, his playboy aspect is just an act to keep things looking "normal" or they way things has always been. In the scene you mention, Wayne is about as disappointed as you are when Katie Holmes sees him in his role as a playboy, because he knows it's just an act and it's not who he is or who he wants to be.
Wayne wants to be thought of as an immature playboy who only drinks, dates models and pisses away the companies money. This is probably the easiest way to avoid any attention to his company or for anyone to make any connections between Wayne and Batman.
Personally I like this touch to the Wayne character more, because it sort of has Bruce constantly playing different characters while his true character lies in within why he's batman.
All the stuff you say about him being intelligent, always training, delegating duties. I think this fits the Wayne character perfectly in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, it just seems he even got you fooled too.
Yeah, I agree. I was always under the impression that Bruce did this to 'fly under the radar'.
I'm surprised this even needed to be said... if he only relied on his mask to keep his identity unknown there would be no story because everyone would know who Batman is from so many ways. I'm sure there are still some loop holes that would still make it unrealistic but regardless, Batman fights the bad guys, playboy Bruce "fights" the people.
There's also plenty of good guy Bruce in the comics which I imagine will have a greater spotlight in this movie.
On May 06 2012 08:57 Brutaxilos wrote: Has anyone found the new trailer attached to the Avengers online yet? I'm currently engrossed in a lot of work and will have to wait two weeks until I can watch the Avengers. I just can't wait that long. :\
On May 06 2012 10:31 Rakanishu2 wrote: I think people in this thread forgot what trolling is.
Can you explain to me, please good sir? Is somebody trolling you? You've got to stand up for yourself, friend! Don't let the haters and the scalawags rustle your feathers. Be strong and we will weather this storm together.
Dudes, without spoiling too much, who the hell does Gordon-Levitt play?! I've seriously tried avoiding all possible spoilers, and I've skipped watching at least 3 trailers (only watched the very first one) - can someone not spoil any plot details, but tell me what his role is?! Don't be mean ><
On May 06 2012 10:41 Xpace wrote: Dudes, without spoiling too much, who the hell does Gordon-Levitt play?! I've seriously tried avoiding all possible spoilers, and I've skipped watching at least 3 trailers (only watched the very first one) - can someone not spoil any plot details, but tell me what his role is?! Don't be mean ><
Elite police handpicked by Gordon. Never showed up in any previous films.
On May 03 2012 13:03 -Aura- wrote: Poor guy getting everyone to hate on him by saying TDK was bad.
Yeah, but I disagree too. TDK is one of my favorite movies. Ever.
I agree with his opinion - I was one of the few people who was utterly disappointed with the first two Nolan Batman movies. I think the worst way he screwed up was in Wayne's character. He emphasised the playboy aspect, but made him seem immature - whereas the Burton ones made Wayne a silent, thoughtful Bruce Wayne, and even when he was with women he was strong and alpha, whereas Nolan makes Wayne some guy who is like oh wow this Batmobile is sooo cool I want one! I especially hated the scene where he was in the water with those prostitutes and Katie Holmes sees him and is disappointed at what a boy he was.
The Bruce Wayne I know is intelligent, always training, always looking down on others and commanding respect, always thinking ten steps ahead of everyone else - he just delegated duties (rather than relying on people like Alfred to give him maturity, Lucious to do all his computer stuff). Nolan's Wayne is just a pussy-ass 30 year old guy who still acts like a kid. Even in the comics when Batman was a mummy's boy he did it in a silent, resilent way. Not the weak Wayne we see in Nolan's movies.
... You must've misinprented why we see so much of the "playboy aspect" in the Nolans movies then. The scene you bring up in Batman Begins is actually a perfect example of why you are missing the point. Wayne does this because this is what's expected of Wayne, his playboy aspect is just an act to keep things looking "normal" or they way things has always been. In the scene you mention, Wayne is about as disappointed as you are when Katie Holmes sees him in his role as a playboy, because he knows it's just an act and it's not who he is or who he wants to be.
Wayne wants to be thought of as an immature playboy who only drinks, dates models and pisses away the companies money. This is probably the easiest way to avoid any attention to his company or for anyone to make any connections between Wayne and Batman.
Personally I like this touch to the Wayne character more, because it sort of has Bruce constantly playing different characters while his true character lies in within why he's batman.
All the stuff you say about him being intelligent, always training, delegating duties. I think this fits the Wayne character perfectly in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, it just seems he even got you fooled too.
hahaha YES AT LAST, someone owned someone who thinks his a high-class critic with genuis level thinking! Thank you merz :D
I really hate people criticizing things just for the sake of criticizing, I know the movie has it's flaws but to say that you were utterly disappointed with TDK means you have either 1) very very high standards 2) doesn't like super hero genre (which looks like you do)
On May 06 2012 10:41 Xpace wrote: Dudes, without spoiling too much, who the hell does Gordon-Levitt play?! I've seriously tried avoiding all possible spoilers, and I've skipped watching at least 3 trailers (only watched the very first one) - can someone not spoil any plot details, but tell me what his role is?! Don't be mean ><
Elite police handpicked by Gordon. Never showed up in any previous films.
On May 06 2012 08:57 Brutaxilos wrote: Has anyone found the new trailer attached to the Avengers online yet? I'm currently engrossed in a lot of work and will have to wait two weeks until I can watch the Avengers. I just can't wait that long. :\
On May 06 2012 08:57 Brutaxilos wrote: Has anyone found the new trailer attached to the Avengers online yet? I'm currently engrossed in a lot of work and will have to wait two weeks until I can watch the Avengers. I just can't wait that long. :\
On May 06 2012 08:57 Brutaxilos wrote: Has anyone found the new trailer attached to the Avengers online yet? I'm currently engrossed in a lot of work and will have to wait two weeks until I can watch the Avengers. I just can't wait that long. :\
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