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theBOOCH
Profile Joined November 2010
United States832 Posts
March 19 2011 04:06 GMT
#81
"Intellectual Property" is one of the most broken things in modern law. It has been having a negative effect on the quality on art, music, literature, and science since it became ingrained in law. The only thing it has had a "positive" effect on is "business." But that business has been lowering the quality of everything it touches. Just look at the modern renaissance of free thought and creativity the internet has created. It isn't ripping people off, it's giving people a chance to create new and valuable content and getting it directly to people without having to go through and pay a middle man. The government isn't "cracking down" to protect people's valuable property from thieves. It's trying to crackdown because big business is threatened by the fact that suddenly people can get better content from more direct sources and are leaving the entertainment industry in the dust. So yes, they ARE going to crack down on people who are playing Pink Floyd in the background of their streams. Not because they're costing anybody any money, but because those people and their content are detracting from the industry's ability to force people to consume their content. It's sick and the people that are going to suffer from it are the creative geniuses that are actually creating great material, and the audiences who love it. The only people who are going to benefit are those who are out to make a buck. If you don't believe me, pick an entertainment industry and look into how it actually works. You'll be sickened.
If all you're offering is Dos Equis, I will stay thirsty thank you very much.
theBOOCH
Profile Joined November 2010
United States832 Posts
March 19 2011 04:10 GMT
#82
There will come a time when the movie/music industry will beg us to take their content because all these free youTube stars and amature movie makers giving things away for free will produce enjoyable content without any of these restrictions on people spreading the love .... death to hollywood and the JustinBritney or whatever his name is... stupid manufactured dribble, grass roots forever!


You get me
If all you're offering is Dos Equis, I will stay thirsty thank you very much.
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
March 19 2011 04:14 GMT
#83
remember that south park episode on downloading music?

that pretty much sums up my thoughts about this.

"i can't afford a private jet waaaaaaah"
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
March 19 2011 04:23 GMT
#84
Streaming -> Federal Felony

DWI -> Class B misdemeanor.

That's all I have to say.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Kingspade
Profile Joined January 2011
United States21 Posts
March 19 2011 04:26 GMT
#85
On March 19 2011 13:23 Jayme wrote:
Streaming -> Federal Felony

DWI -> Class B misdemeanor.

That's all I have to say.

doesn't the DWI change in charges based on what state you live in and what your current alcohol level is according to the limit?
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
March 19 2011 04:28 GMT
#86
On March 19 2011 13:26 Kingspade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 13:23 Jayme wrote:
Streaming -> Federal Felony

DWI -> Class B misdemeanor.

That's all I have to say.

doesn't the DWI change in charges based on what state you live in and what your current alcohol level is according to the limit?


Yea it does but in almost every state it's a Misdemeanor unless you seriously injure someone or kill someone because of the DWI.

Texas is straight Class B regardless of alcohol level.

Still my point is that DWI is actually a dangerous offense. Streaming really isn't.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
March 19 2011 04:38 GMT
#87
On March 19 2011 02:31 heroyi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 02:27 semantics wrote:
On March 19 2011 02:23 heroyi wrote:
Doesn't America have bigger agendas to really worry about then this...

if this is like the drug war, where large sacks of money are invested into something with little accomplishment (like prosecution of, say, marijuana), then...

well wtf...


Cost per effectiveness, you saying that government can't do more then 3 things? That they had to drop everything to propose this? Which is not a bill in itself. This is a much easier idea to push though then other more pressing matters, because it's the decisions that people are divided upon that throwing more people at it doesn't help.

im not questioning whether the government cant multitask.

But for them to declare "war" on internet piracy is...well futile.

right now the cost per effectiveness for the drug war is pretty shitty right now. Lets just hope that this could actually help stimulate the economy a little (new departments hiring, more people buying etc...).

Such an effective argument. Let's do what is easy and not what is right, right?

Honestly, people here are a little bit too biased. How many people actually pay for music anymore? How many people torrent movies and games?

Name some of the legally free content that is actually good. Only thing that comes to mind is Radiohead's In Rainbows, and we see now that they aren't doing it again. Draw your own conclusion.

Clearly, the people who have benefited from this, us, would take the side in support of this behavior. While the entertainment industry, which has obviously suffered, would take the side against it. If you could lobby for your side, you would.

What argument is there against preventing piracy? Personal inconvenience? Intellectual property doesn't exist?

Sure, the entertainment industry makes millions, and you might sit in your home making an incredibly small fraction of that. But last time I checked, we aren't fans of communism. That's how much their human capital is worth. Don't like the fact that athletes get paid millions? Boycott watching sports. Think being a music artist is easy? Then go be one and enjoy your plentiful wealth. I won't mind.
Rawenkeke
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway350 Posts
March 19 2011 04:48 GMT
#88
They should focus more on the situation in Libya, Japan and less on infringement stuff like this, I guess money > genocide, massacre and natural disasters
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 05:09:43
March 19 2011 04:53 GMT
#89
On March 19 2011 13:23 Jayme wrote:
Streaming -> Federal Felony

DWI -> Class B misdemeanor.

That's all I have to say.

One is illegal reproduction and distribution of a product across state even country lines, which makes it federal. The just puts lives in danger :D

Also you shouldn't be that peeved US federal prisons so fucking nice compared to state prison, if you commit a crime make sure it's a federal crime.

On March 19 2011 13:48 Rawenkeke wrote:
They should focus more on the situation in Libya, Japan and less on infringement stuff like this, I guess money > genocide, massacre and natural disasters

Who says they can't do both, the idea that government must spend every ounce of their resources on like 28 things is ridiculous after awhile sending more people to work on a situation doesn't really produce better or faster results. Governments work slow esp the US things take time to develop so sending more people to work on something that you still will need to wait for other things to fall in place to which you have no control over is pointless.

On March 19 2011 13:59 wswordsmen wrote:
This is stupid. They are restricting the growth of new technology by making anyone who wants to use it have to do back flips to do anything with it.

How is this restricting growth of new technology? Intellectual properly protection is essential to the development of new tech. If i spend 100mil developing something only to have another company jack it and reverse engineer it for 1 mil to them, and say we both have similar production costs and capabilities then i've just been boned out of 99 mil dollars. Meaning the next time i wont be developing things that are so costly maybe only spend 1 mil on r&d so the lul time between another company stealing and ramping up production i could make back the 1 mil i spent in r&d. piracy decreases the returns of profits in all industries, so if the money is not there then i need to scale back, look at the gaming industry types of games and crap has all been narrowed to fit profits.
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
March 19 2011 04:56 GMT
#90
There are times I feel glad I don't live in the US. This is one of those times.

The heavy-handed approach of legislating everything is unhealthy for the long-term prospects of a society.
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Yung
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States727 Posts
March 19 2011 04:57 GMT
#91
This while smart, it stupid as hell, you can not even get on the gsl finals stream, also why is the us goverment wasting there time on stupid shit like this and not fixing real stuff!!
wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 05:00:35
March 19 2011 04:59 GMT
#92
This is stupid. They are restricting the growth of new technology by making anyone who wants to use it have to do back flips to do anything with it.
Char711
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States862 Posts
March 19 2011 05:11 GMT
#93
This has all gotten pretty damn ridiculous. In the beginning they cracked down on YouTube, but now they have pop-ups to sell songs and most major artists have a VEVO channel. I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar implementation coming up now where people can put music in streams just like they can in YouTube videos. (In other words, that would be the smart approach that, apparently, they couldn't figure the hell out ahead of time.)

I wish we could get people that don't just think that the Internet is a series of tubes in the government. :/
"If you can chill, chill." -Liquid`Tyler "Special tactics." -White-Ra
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
March 19 2011 05:11 GMT
#94
I guess the Democrates have to get their funding from somewhere?
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper is a genius. For man to survive, they need toilet paper!"- Nal_rA
Char711
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States862 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 05:15:58
March 19 2011 05:12 GMT
#95
On March 19 2011 13:10 theBOOCH wrote:
Show nested quote +
There will come a time when the movie/music industry will beg us to take their content because all these free youTube stars and amature movie makers giving things away for free will produce enjoyable content without any of these restrictions on people spreading the love .... death to hollywood and the JustinBritney or whatever his name is... stupid manufactured dribble, grass roots forever!


You get me

You both get me.

Edit: Enervate, my friend, we LOVE communism! People in the US like to hate on socialism, but they're sure happy with the FDIC insuring their banks, required car insurance, etc. etc. Regardless of the forms of it that Americans oppose, they like many socialist policies (and Europe and Canada sure get along just fine with their stronger forms of it, don't they?).
"If you can chill, chill." -Liquid`Tyler "Special tactics." -White-Ra
Shigy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States346 Posts
March 19 2011 05:18 GMT
#96
On March 19 2011 13:48 Rawenkeke wrote:
They should focus more on the situation in Libya, Japan and less on infringement stuff like this, I guess money > genocide, massacre and natural disasters

not everyone in the government/senate is an expert on foreign policy. they still have to run their own country bro
Shigy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States346 Posts
March 19 2011 05:22 GMT
#97
On March 19 2011 14:11 bubblegumbo wrote:
I guess the Democrates have to get their funding from somewhere?

i'm curious to know. what are you talking about?
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2333 Posts
March 19 2011 05:29 GMT
#98
greed will destroy everything one day.
Dugrok
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada377 Posts
March 19 2011 05:32 GMT
#99
On March 18 2011 17:05 cynical wrote:
This is like the war on drugs. It's not gonna do jack shit no matter what kind of laws they make or modify. You can't stop the internet baby!

They do occasionally arrest druglords and drugdealers. I don't want to be the one they pick to arrest.

And yeah, I was worried about this until I remembered I live in Canada!
But then I realized that that only gives me about 2 years longer o.O.

No, in all seriousness, I understand where this is coming from, and, it IS warranted. That said, I think it will probably do more damage than it will good. People know that (following examples given in the thread) the World Cup, or HBO, etc., have extremely high ratings, and that those ratings don't even include the illegal methods of watching them. For that reason, the advertisement rates climb even higher, generating more money for the people emitting the content. Then again there are probably still more people watching legally.

I just doubt people who are watching illegal streams will bother to buy the content at all. They'll just find something else to do instead.

Also, here's another example:

Blizzcon. How many people watch Blizzcon illegally online? Probably more than there are people watching it legally. Of course I'm basing this on absolutely nothing, but judging by the shear quantity of channels that run during the event, and the amount of people chatting in them, it's easy to see where I'm getting the idea from.

Of course, taking legal actions vs. illegal streams would diminish the reach that Blizzcon has, thus diminishing Blizzard's biggest hype-building event.
ClockToweR
Profile Joined March 2011
United States61 Posts
March 19 2011 05:32 GMT
#100
I'm starting to hate the government more and more everyday...
Pendulum.161 "Please ignore the burrowed banelings..."
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