EPTI dunno, I don't think sueing people that stream games would be that gainful, for money or whatever reason.
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orn
Australia76 Posts
I dunno, I don't think sueing people that stream games would be that gainful, for money or whatever reason. | ||
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KomradeKevin
United States88 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:14 Kauz wrote: Just for the record, this is only half right. There wasn't much indoor plumbing when the original segment of the capitol was built. If you go down to the basement (which you can't, but I've been down there), there are the remains of the old Senate baths which included tubs for the Senators to use to cool off and bathe if need be. It was supposedly the cool place to hang out. This was in 1800-1860ish. Fun US Senate fact of the day. I could totally start the most boring blog ever. Bathing at the time was considered relaxing and enjoyable but unhealthy. Much like the way we see consuming alcohol is today. | ||
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Kauz
United States38 Posts
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KomradeKevin
United States88 Posts
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Syben
United States512 Posts
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Kauz
United States38 Posts
Why say you don't like something and then suggest the same thing? Not everyone is out to get you. Its not a big conspiracy, though I know a lot of people have fun imagining it is. Sadly I know a lot of people believe it too. You have a place at the table. Have a seat. And try to have a little more open of a mind. Edit: You weren't giving me something workable before (just talking about how you think the US is crummy). You have now, but you didn't present it in the nicest fashion. | ||
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Kauz
United States38 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:44 Syben wrote: I dont think Blizzard will crack down on SC streaming for the reason that its a source of income for Pros and the pro scene is a major part of the community. The community is making them money so why destroy part of their source of income? I don't think Blizzard will either. I think the more concerning thing would be, where does the music go? Some might not think its a bad thing, some do. | ||
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SOB_Maj_Brian
United States522 Posts
Anyways people like day9 can always get licenses from Blizzard, which makes the streaming legal. Likewise, as a law student I actually talked to the head of Blizzard's legal department about this exact issue and he said that they wouldn't sue people who helped the game, only if they hurt. However, once someone starts making enough money, I think Blizzard and others might have more incentive to sue. On another note, the businesses of justintv or livestream and the like have to be careful not to act as secondary infringers (i.e. they must avoid vicarious liability and respond to DMCA take-down requests or they might be found liable). | ||
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Kauz
United States38 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:48 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote: I WROTE A BLOG ON THIS EXACT ISSUE LAST YEAR!! Link Anyways people like day9 can always get licenses from Blizzard, which makes the streaming legal. Likewise, as a law student I actually talked to the head of Blizzard's legal department about this exact issue and he said that they wouldn't sue people who helped the game, only if they hurt. However, once someone starts making enough money, I think Blizzard and others might have more incentive to sue. On another note, the businesses of justintv or livestream and the like have to be careful not to act as secondary infringers (i.e. they must avoid vicarious liability and respond to DMCA take-down requests or they might be found liable). Would you like me to look into what the possible implications of this on secondary parties might be? Straight from the horse's mouth, straight to THIS horses ears, so to speak. | ||
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Kauz
United States38 Posts
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KomradeKevin
United States88 Posts
If politicians don't get paid to make laws, what are lobbyists? Why do so many politicians get money from them and then vote in agreement with the lobbyist that just paid them? Is it just coincidence? Accusing me of having a closed mind is very confusing. I am presenting a new idea, err comment, to you and it scares you so you are shutting down and resorting to belittling the person you are debating with instead of using logic and reasoning. [edit] I guess I will say I am presenting a new comment to you if you don't like the word idea.[/edit] | ||
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1800STFU
158 Posts
On June 16 2011 06:17 orn wrote: Blizzard developers seemed to really like and support people like Day[9], so I wouldn't be too worried about Starcraft, unless those executives at Activision are actual cunts about it. I dunno, I don't think sueing people that stream games would be that gainful, for money or whatever reason. Bobby Kotick is a money grubbing cunt, and he is the CEO of Activision. So I could see Kotick's cunty ways becoming a problem if this law gets enforced on this front(something like requiring people to pay for a license to stream copyrighted content like SC). It would absolutely kill streaming though to only a few select people who could get that license and still make a profit. Although I doubt they would really care about streaming being hurt badly. I'm sure all Activision cares about is units sold, not esports, and ways to increase units sold. Wouldn't put it beyond Activision. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On June 16 2011 07:35 1800STFU wrote: Bobby Kotick is a money grubbing cunt, and he is the CEO of Activision. So I could see Kotick's cunty ways becoming a problem if this law gets enforced on this front(something like requiring people to pay for a license to stream copyrighted content like SC). It would absolutely kill streaming though to only a few select people who could get that license and still make a profit. Although I doubt they would really care about streaming being hurt badly. I'm sure all Activision cares about is units sold, not esports, and ways to increase units sold. Wouldn't put it beyond Activision. I would feel dustin browder and all current blizz staff would have a major problem with this would would most likely cause a huge backlash by blizz staff against activision. I don't see this happening at all. I relate this issue to youtube. If one posts something illegal that goes against copyright. Then the company has more than enough motive to shut it down. Most companies do not care though and do not worry about something so small as a youtube video. | ||
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skatbone
United States1005 Posts
By analogy, you are not legally allowed to play a cover song of a band that is registered with ASCAP and BMI unless the establishment where you are performing has paid a fee to ASCAP and/or BMI for the rights to play their music. ASCAP and BMI police this practice by sending representatives to coffee houses and bars to warn them that they cannot play music or allow performers to cover music that is owned by ASCAP and BMI. As far as I know, the of streaming music is already subject to similar laws. Most SC2 streamers aren't famous enough to garner the policing attention of ASCAP and BMI. However, they could theoretically pressure Justin.TV to pressure or police its users. Day[9] is already keenly aware of this issue as he has made a point out of playing music to which he has been granted the right (by the performer). This is smart on his part, because he is likely large enough to be made an example of by ASCAP or BMI in the form of a fat fine. tl;dr As far as I know, streaming copyrighted music is already illegal. From the sound of this, the law is simply being clarified. While small-time streamers likely won't get fined for streaming copyrighted music, the sites that host video game streams just might be bullied by ASCAP and BMI into policing the streaming of copyrighted music. | ||
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Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
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manawah
123 Posts
The companies that enforce the copyrights need to make money also to pay for their gangs of lawyers, so they do as any company does, take the easiest road to get the cheddar. This means they will chase the simplest cases to prove illegal profiting off copyright infringement. Cases of indirect profiting are not easy to prove and will get the bullying and threats but no legal action cause there is no money to be made in just government fines for them. They need to prove the profits made off the copyright material and then get the court to enforce restitution of those profits. If you're just streaming a game and also listening to your playlist they won't have evidence to prosecute you for monetary loss via infringement and just ignore you and chase the organizations profiting off streaming live PPV events and such. | ||
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OsoVega
926 Posts
On June 16 2011 07:58 Dagobert wrote: Copyright has become such a tool for evil... it's disgusting. How so? | ||
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
But hey why not spend hundreds of millions of average everyday taxed workers cash to put them in jail or fine them for using audio and visuals as they wish on there own computers. If we weren't involved in a war on everything on the face of the earth then I wouldn't have a problem with this kind of junk. I love how people say were land of the free but yet were enforced in every way imaginable and have our money wasted by our politicians. (Sorry so harsh) | ||
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cfoy3
United States129 Posts
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
On June 16 2011 10:01 cfoy3 wrote: I think some people here are being a little ridiculous. I mean corporation's have rights too. Hollywood spends a lot of money making quality entertainment. They need revenue. If this law starts to clamp down on the illegal streaming of entertainment, such as tv shows, then I think its a good thing. If we do not make the business of producing entertainment profitable, then their wont be a business. Or companies could try doing something like changing their business model to include online streaming, like netflix and nbc. I hope to god every day that cable networks go out of business so maybe I can just pay for tv that I want online instead of their entire shitty network. If we do not make their business profitable, then they will change their business. Which is a good thing. Amazing, even. | ||
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