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dp
Profile Joined August 2003
United States234 Posts
March 18 2011 18:15 GMT
#61
Doubt there is much worry for streamers. The real issue I have is that little addition of wiretaps.

Currently they can get wiretaps for chemical weapons offenses, use of weapons of mass destruction, violent acts of terrorism transcending national borders, financial transactions with countries that support terrorism, material support of terrorism, and material support of terrorist organizations...and add copyright infringement?..
:o
Molkovien
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark59 Posts
March 18 2011 23:18 GMT
#62
I think you should all be debating the actual issue, as in do you think jail time for copyright infringing by streaming is an offense that should give jail time, which is what the proposed law seems to do.
Kolvacs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1203 Posts
March 18 2011 23:24 GMT
#63
Ohkay, so if im streaming music (as an example) in Canada, can I get charged by the US government?

Also,
Since when does the US Government own the internet...
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
March 18 2011 23:27 GMT
#64
It's been a felony for decades, they're doing this for show.

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nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
March 18 2011 23:36 GMT
#65
Everyone knows the current system for entertainment distribution is no longer compatible with the internet age. Instead of making grand statements and harshly punishing a few by example, they should figure out how to monetize free content. It's so simple I don't know why people are resisting it.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
March 19 2011 00:09 GMT
#66
On March 19 2011 08:36 nbaker wrote:
Everyone knows the current system for entertainment distribution is no longer compatible with the internet age. Instead of making grand statements and harshly punishing a few by example, they should figure out how to monetize free content. It's so simple I don't know why people are resisting it.

That's up for an industry to do, it's not the governments role to tell the entrainment industry how to make money. It's only their role to enforce rules set in place which a lot of people break. Anyways this is aimed at those who stream like pay per view events on line, it opens up the tools needed to properly gather the info for a prosecution.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
March 19 2011 00:26 GMT
#67
On March 18 2011 13:17 chaoser wrote:
Show nested quote +
The White House today proposed sweeping revisions to U.S. copyright law, including making "illegal streaming" of audio or
video a federal felony and allowing FBI agents to wiretap suspected infringers
.

In a 20-page white paper (PDF), the Obama administration called on the U.S. Congress to fix "deficiencies that could hinder enforcement" of intellectual property laws.

The report was prepared by Victoria Espinel, the first Intellectual Property Enforcement Coordinator who received Senate confirmation in December 2009, and represents a broad tightening of many forms of intellectual property law including ones that deal with counterfeit pharmaceuticals and overseas royalties for copyright holders. (See CNET's report last month previewing today's white paper.)

Some of the highlights:

• The White House is concerned that "illegal streaming of content" may not be covered by criminal law, saying "questions have arisen about whether streaming constitutes the distribution of copyrighted works." To resolve that ambiguity, it wants a new law to "clarify that infringement by streaming, or by means of other similar new technology, is a felony in appropriate circumstances."

• Under federal law, wiretaps may only be conducted in investigations of serious crimes, a list that was expanded by the 2001 Patriot Act to include offenses such as material support of terrorism and use of weapons of mass destruction. The administration is proposing to add copyright and trademark infringement, arguing that move "would assist U.S. law enforcement agencies to effectively investigate those offenses."

• Under the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act, it's generally illegal to distribute hardware or software--such as the DVD-decoding software Handbrake available from a server in France--that can "circumvent" copy protection technology. The administration is proposing that if Homeland Security seizes circumvention devices, it be permitted to "inform rightholders," "provide samples of such devices," and assist "them in bringing civil actions."

The term "fair use" does not appear anywhere in the report. But it does mention Web sites like The Pirate Bay, which is hosted in Sweden, when warning that "foreign-based and foreign-controlled Web sites and Web services raise particular concerns for U.S. enforcement efforts." (See previous coverage of a congressional hearing on overseas sites.)

The usual copyright hawks, including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, applauded the paper, which grew out of a so-called joint strategic plan that Vice President Biden and Espinel announced in June 2010.

Rob Calia, a senior director at the Chamber's Global Intellectual Property Center, said we "strongly support the white paper's call for Congress to clarify that criminal copyright infringement through unauthorized streaming, is a felony. We know both the House and Senate are looking at this issue and encourage them to work closely with the administration and other stakeholders to combat this growing threat."

In October 2008, President Bush signed into law the so-called Pro IP ACT, which created Espinel's position and increased penalties for infringement, after expressing its opposition to an earlier version.

Unless legislative proposals--like one nearly a decade ago implanting strict copy controls in digital devices--go too far, digital copyright tends not to be a particularly partisan topic. The Digital Millennium Copyright Act, near-universally disliked by programmers and engineers for its anti-circumvention section, was approved unanimously in the U.S. Senate.

At the same time, Democratic politicians tend to be a bit more enthusiastic about the topic. Biden was a close Senate ally of copyright holders, and President Obama picked top copyright industry lawyers for Justice Department posts. Last year, Biden warned that "piracy is theft."

No less than 78 percent of political contributions from Hollywood went to Democrats in 2008, which is broadly consistent with the trend for the last two decades, according to OpenSecrets.org.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20043421-281.html

So technically would this make streamers playing music illegal? Will this affect people who stream video games? What about video games that contain copyrighted audio? So much for the support of an open internet from the Obama administration...


I love how people actually believed -- and still believe -- that the Obama administration supports "open internet" simply because Obama says he does in speeches. Actions speak louder than words. He's supported "open internet" in the same way that he's supported whistle-blowers -- not at all unless his political enemies are the ones that suffer. First and foremost the man his a politician.

TBH, I'm a little disappointed by the lack of reaction in this thread. If it was the Bush administration doing this we'd be at 20 pages of pure hate by now, but TLnet still hasn't gotten beyond "right or left." :/
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
March 19 2011 00:30 GMT
#68
Fuck that, they better not consider streaming video games infringement... I'll be pissed. Also, I'm glad that they are spending their time on important issues like these..
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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
March 19 2011 00:55 GMT
#69
Did anyone actually get suprised?
Shigy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States346 Posts
March 19 2011 03:08 GMT
#70
probably a good step in protecting intellectual property. while i like tv shows, movies, and other forms of media to be easily available for free, it's kinda outta control.

websites that organize collections of links to streaming media are totally leeching off of the writers, actors, producers, and so on that were involved in creating the content.
Shigy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States346 Posts
March 19 2011 03:16 GMT
#71
On March 19 2011 09:26 Mortality wrote:

TBH, I'm a little disappointed by the lack of reaction in this thread. If it was the Bush administration doing this we'd be at 20 pages of pure hate by now, but TLnet still hasn't gotten beyond "right or left." :/

TL feels super leftist to me
Shigy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States346 Posts
March 19 2011 03:18 GMT
#72
On March 19 2011 09:30 GreEny K wrote:
Fuck that, they better not consider streaming video games infringement... I'll be pissed. Also, I'm glad that they are spending their time on important issues like these..

you can fully enjoy a movie or a song that's streaming. you can hardly enjoy a video game. what i mean is, there's not enough demand for watching other people play video games to get considerable ad revenue to make the game companies get upset and try to take control of that revenue by claiming rights to even sharing videos/streams of people PLAYING games.
DorF
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden961 Posts
March 19 2011 03:33 GMT
#73
I don't think they intend to hunt down sc2 streamers and sue them for listening to Kpop or something
(hopefully)
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whiteguycash
Profile Joined April 2010
United States476 Posts
March 19 2011 03:39 GMT
#74
They would only have jurisdiction in the USA. surely congress isn't dumb enough to pass such an invasive law for no reason. This would be another gross misallocation of resources to pursue petty crimes.

Mr President, with all do respect, pull your head out of your ass, clean up the drugs, murders, burglary, theft, fix education, etc. There is so much more you could be doing than catering to a couple of organizations (RIAA, MPAA, etc) that are just as crooked as the people they are trying to stop.
Vehemus
Profile Joined November 2010
United States586 Posts
March 19 2011 03:44 GMT
#75
I'm pretty certain this is geared toward restreaming copyrighted content. NFL games, boxing/MMA, or even, say, an audio restream of a radio show like Howard Stern or Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio.

Playing some Pink Floyd in the background while you play StarCraft isn't going to be sending anyone to jail or giving you a fine in the mail.
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
March 19 2011 03:46 GMT
#76
some people have been commenting on the legality of streaming starcraft. i was under the impression that restreaming starcraft, as long as its not for profit (and if it is, you have to go through that whole tourney application thing with blizzard) blizzard are ok with people streaming and stuff.

now having music play while you play might be a different matter, but again if you look at how the music industry has tried to crack down on file sharing. the small time user, and people who arent making money, arent who they are focusing on, its the people monetising this free content they are concentrating on, so i dont think we will see the grack getting sent to fail for his terrible choice in music just yet.
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
March 19 2011 03:53 GMT
#77
There will come a time when the movie/music industry will beg us to take their content because all these free youTube stars and amature movie makers giving things away for free will produce enjoyable content without any of these restrictions on people spreading the love .... death to hollywood and the JustinBritney or whatever his name is... stupid manufactured dribble, grass roots forever!
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BritishBeef
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom372 Posts
March 19 2011 03:56 GMT
#78
LISTEN USA goverment! if you think u can take my downloads well then you better have a damn army, oh wait u do, plz dont xxxx
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
March 19 2011 04:01 GMT
#79
On March 19 2011 12:16 Shigy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2011 09:26 Mortality wrote:

TBH, I'm a little disappointed by the lack of reaction in this thread. If it was the Bush administration doing this we'd be at 20 pages of pure hate by now, but TLnet still hasn't gotten beyond "right or left." :/

TL feels super leftist to me


I think TL is a little more left than right, but we have a pretty good spread between the two. There's plenty of conservatives as well as progressives here. It makes for some pretty good debates.

But as for wiretapping and felony charges for copyright infringement, that isn't really a left/right debate as far as I know.

Personally, I think wiretapping and felony charges is completely over the line. Wiretapping should be reserved for something that warrants it. Privacy is one of the most important values that the law ought to uphold.
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Enki
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2548 Posts
March 19 2011 04:06 GMT
#80
So ridiculous if this does end up passing. They just slap national security on a bill and it will pass unanimously regardless of what it is about. Unless this effects UFC streams, it won't really mean much to me.

Looks like the U.S government is bending over for the entertainment, and prison lobbyists. What a fucking shame.
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