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On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully?
You're trying to be too politically correct.If people really cared for each other there wouldn't be thousands of children starving to death each day yadda yadda yadda
We don't live in ideal world, so as far as this case is concerned, what happened probably was one of the better outcomes.
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On March 16 2011 07:16 Belligerentz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed. ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died. would he have deserved that? did he deserve being alienated? singled out for abuse? made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day? to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them? to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them?
No one has ever said Casey deserved to be bullied or anything similar.
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On March 16 2011 07:16 Belligerentz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed. ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died. would he have deserved that? did he deserve being alienated? singled out for abuse? made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day? to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them? to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them?
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On March 16 2011 07:20 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:16 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed. ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died. would he have deserved that? did he deserve being alienated? singled out for abuse? made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day? to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them? to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them? No one has ever said Casey deserved to be bullied or anything similar.
your mis-interpreting my post.
to phrase it bluntly.
who gives 2 Sh**s about what the bully deserves after what he put casey through.
treat people like crap, get treated like crap.
do unto others.
he attacked csey, therefore he wanted to be attacked by casey.
if you cant take it, don't give it.
he got of lightly, i wouldn't wish the pain of losing a child on any parent, but the world would be a better place if scum like ratboy died horribly in a fire.
it's a shame he wasn't more injured.
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On March 16 2011 07:23 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:16 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed. ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died. would he have deserved that? did he deserve being alienated? singled out for abuse? made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day? to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them? to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them? So what you're actually implying is this: If you want to not be bullied, you turn to physical violence and you hurt the person that's bullying you. This is NOT how the world works. The civilized way to solve this is to either turn to the parents, or to your teachers. Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No!
clearly you don't know how bullying works. telling the parents or teachers will solve nothing. if it did then bullying wouldn't exist.
please don't post ignorant comments.
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On March 16 2011 07:23 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:16 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed. ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died. would he have deserved that? did he deserve being alienated? singled out for abuse? made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day? to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them? to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them? So what you're actually implying is this: If you want to not be bullied, you turn to physical violence and you hurt the person that's bullying you. This is NOT how the world works. The civilized way to solve this is to either turn to the parents, or to your teachers. Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No!
Well beating the shit out of bullies works most of the time better than telling mommy and daddy and the teachers. this has gone on for several years and the teachers should have noticed something in the class and have neglected it probably.
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On March 16 2011 07:23 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:16 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed. ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died. would he have deserved that? did he deserve being alienated? singled out for abuse? made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day? to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them? to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them? So what you're actually implying is this: If you want to not be bullied, you turn to physical violence and you hurt the person that's bullying you. This is NOT how the world works. The civilized way to solve this is to either turn to the parents, or to your teachers. Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No!
have you ever been bullied? i mean constant bullying.
do you know how it feels to be made to feel like you're worth less than nothing?
also your comparisons are moot.
in the workplace bullying means that person will lose their job. period.
and they will also have an incredibly difficult time finding more work.
in a school the punishments for bullying are meager at best. and it can take multiple PROVEN REPORTED DOCUMENTED cases for a student to be punished at all.
going to teachers DOES NOT WORK.
teachers hands are tied, simple as
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On March 16 2011 07:23 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:16 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed. ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died. would he have deserved that? did he deserve being alienated? singled out for abuse? made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day? to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them? to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them? So what you're actually implying is this: If you want to not be bullied, you turn to physical violence and you hurt the person that's bullying you. This is NOT how the world works. The civilized way to solve this is to either turn to the parents, or to your teachers. Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No!
If by "bullied" you mean getting punched in the face, then yes you can beat the shit out of him and it's "self-defense." lol
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On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that?
What if Casey had got a concussion by letting this kid continue to pound him in the head? What if he had lost his balance getting hit and fell and hit his head, or what if he had already been concussed? It goes both ways, look at the punch this little POS landed at the begining of the video, he snapped Casey's head back but that wasn't good enough.
It was made VERY clear that he wasn't going to stop attacking until Casey did something. Casey was cornered he tried to avoid confrontation but he had no choice.
I counted 5 times he was attacked before responding, first he was grabbed and threatened than punched 4 times. The Bully looked like he was just getting started at that point. How many times is this boy supposed to get attacked before he does something?
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Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No!
What planet do you even live on.
Go take a trip to reality, where people are mugged, shot , raped, and killed every day and you tell me how people handle those situations.
You think the 15 year old girl who's getting raped by a pedophile can just run and tell a teacher and everything will be ok?
Or maybe the poor sap working night shift at your local 7-11 can just tell the people robbing him at knife point that 'thats just not a nice thing to do'.
Fuck no, the only answer to those situations is immediate retaliation. If those people can find a way to incapacitate or just outright kill the low life pieces of shit than this world only ends up a better place.
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Can't say I feel sorry for that kid, he should have been smarter then to fuck with someone twice his size.
People who have been bullied know about this shit. If nothing is done, then eventually there will be a point where the bullied kid loses his shit and it ends with violence.
Maybe he did go overboard slamming him like that, but whatever.
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On March 16 2011 07:28 Lomak wrote:Show nested quote +Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No! What planet do you even live on. Go take a trip to reality, where people are mugged, shot , raped, and killed every day and you tell me how people handle those situations. You think the 15 year old girl who's getting raped by a pedophile can just run and tell a teacher and everything will be ok? Or maybe the poor sap working night shift at your local 7-11 can just tell the people robbing him at knife point that 'thats just not a nice thing to do'. Fuck no, the only answer to those situations is immediate retaliation. If those people can find a way to incapacitate or just outright kill the low life pieces of shit than this world only ends up a better place.
This can in no way whatsoever be compared to rape, or a knife robbery. Get real.
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On March 16 2011 07:26 cromat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:23 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:16 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed. ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died. would he have deserved that? did he deserve being alienated? singled out for abuse? made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day? to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them? to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them? So what you're actually implying is this: If you want to not be bullied, you turn to physical violence and you hurt the person that's bullying you. This is NOT how the world works. The civilized way to solve this is to either turn to the parents, or to your teachers. Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No! clearly you don't know how bullying works. telling the parents or teachers will solve nothing. if it did then bullying wouldn't exist. please don't post ignorant comments.
You're implying that turning to physical force is the right thing to do, and you're calling me ignorant.
There's no point in arguing with you.
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On March 16 2011 07:20 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:16 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed. ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died. would he have deserved that? did he deserve being alienated? singled out for abuse? made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day? to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them? to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them? No one has ever said Casey deserved to be bullied or anything similar.
But he has been bullied for years. Your trying to be politically correct (almost insulted you there O_o), which is all fine and dandy. However, you need to think about what happened to Casey and not what could've happened to the bully. If it didn't happen, then there is no need to worry about it because if didn't happen. I was never physically bullied, because when I got verbally bullied I had enough trust in my parents to tell them about what happened. We got the dean involved and the idiot never talked to me again. I was lucky that I stopped it early, because I wasn't bullied at a super young age and only for short periods of time, unlike Casey. I had trust built up in grown ups, Casey clearly didn't and had to solve his issues differently than me.
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On March 16 2011 07:28 TheGreat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? What if Casey had got a concussion by letting this kid continue to pound him in the head? What if he had lost his balance getting hit and fell and hit his head, or what if he had already been concussed? It goes both ways, look at the punch this little POS landed at the begining of the video, he snapped Casey's head back but that wasn't good enough. It was made VERY clear that he wasn't going to stop attacking until Casey did something. Casey was cornered he tried to avoid confrontation but he had no choice. I counted 5 times he was attacked before responding, first he was grabbed and threatened than punched 4 times. The Bully looked like he was just getting started at that point. How many times is this boy supposed to get attacked before he does something?
He could've just ran away.
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On March 16 2011 07:23 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:16 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed. ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died. would he have deserved that? did he deserve being alienated? singled out for abuse? made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day? to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them? to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them? So what you're actually implying is this: If you want to not be bullied, you turn to physical violence and you hurt the person that's bullying you. This is NOT how the world works. The civilized way to solve this is to either turn to the parents, or to your teachers. Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No!
Do you actually think that there is no difference between the society that exists in schools and the society people who are grown have? Schools don't crack down on bullying whatsoever even until situations like this come around, and mostly going to a bully's parents just makes the time outside of the parents' view a worse experience, as often bullies are formed by parental abuse. If you get bullied at school and you tell people their reaction is, more often than not, "nobody has seen anything and we aren't able to reprimand this kid for mere allegations" and that first non-reaction tells kids nothing more than "you are on your own to deal with this"
the world may be all nice and ordered and civilized where you grew up and the kids may have been perfect and kind and everyone may have fit in, but you have to know that your experience is not the norm.
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On March 16 2011 07:23 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:16 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed. ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died. would he have deserved that? did he deserve being alienated? singled out for abuse? made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day? to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them? to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them? So what you're actually implying is this: If you want to not be bullied, you turn to physical violence and you hurt the person that's bullying you. This is NOT how the world works. The civilized way to solve this is to either turn to the parents, or to your teachers. Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No!
Asking someone not to defend themselves while being assaulted is ridiculous, that little punk hit that boy 4 times, the first punched snapped Casey's head back and the looked like he had no intention of stopping anytime soon, We're talking about self defense here not revenge. The Bully also had him cornered, is he just supposed to stand there and let someone pound his head in?
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@lundell
i would actually liek to point one thing out.
a few years ago in england there was a bullyign case brought to court.
a man was bullied from 16-23 by the same group of people, school harrassement, workplace harrasement.
what happened? he toko a kitchen knife and stabebd the head bully repeatedly until he died.
he then turned himself in.
he was admonished on the fact that as he was being bullied repeatedly his emotional state was not that of a person in full control of their actions.
also : as it was his bullier that he attacked that gave him real plausible cause to have no emotional control at the point of the incident,
he was deemed as safe for release back into society but was requitred to go to alot of councellign to deal with his emotional issues and hopefully get past what happened and was checked up on regularly.
edit: running away does nothing. every time you turn the other cheeck or run, it snowballs, and the bully gets braver and more malicious.
stop living in your pathetic falacy of a fantasy world where superiors do whats best for everyone and at the end of the day we all get a pizza and bullys in schools get dealt with, they don't.
edit 2: lundell you are clearly trying to argue with false logic, and you are being ignorant. wiolence wasnt the RIGHT way to stop the bullying, it was the ONLY way. you are and ignorant and dillusional person who clearly never got bullied and were probably born with a silver spoon in your mouth and a lovely boarding school education far from these uncouth vagabonds that the common masses have to be tortured by.
how abotu this, go to work tomorrow, ask everyone to treat oyu liek you're the bigges piece of SH** on the planet for the next 2 years. see how you feel after those 2 years.
you'll be crying after 2 weeks.
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This can in no way whatsoever be compared to rape, or a knife robbery. Get real.
Yea because I'm sure that kid will grow up to be a model citizen. Those demented people always seem to work their problems out , they never grow up to be anything bad.
Look at it this way, Casey just taught that future wife beating prick a valuable life lesson.
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I gotta say, ratboy totally had it coming, and for those who keep saying "what if he got paralysed" etc, so what? He's a little POS, and having seen his type around on the train, they don't exactly grow up to be productive members of society; nothing really lost anyway. However, kudos to the girl who pushes douchebag #2 away afterwards.
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