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Note: a number of sources are saying that Beast Master Casey has been suspended for 4 days and that the rat boy was suspended for 21. Look around for more sources please. |
On March 16 2011 03:13 MandoRelease wrote:
Honestly, i can't understand people saying Casey's suspension was deserved. If anything, it's all the school fault, the school staff obviously failed the students, allowing bullying to take place to the point these children are encouraging it and taking video of it.
Then the school dares to say that they do not tolerate any violence and such. Well, the school staff should have done a better job, the bully had it coming. Casey stood up for himself when the school was incapable of dealing with bullying.
Casey's suspension is unacceptable. He took the first hits, been bullied for years, never fought back. And when he finaly does, because the school staff and the bully's parents did an awful job, he gets suspended ?!
Really makes you wonder.
Read my previous posts on this topic. the school has no choice in the punishment both boys received 4 days isn't crap for what Casey did as the school realizes he was defending himself from the rat boy hence why the little guy was suspended for 21 days. The school did do a terrible job but honestly teachers don't have a clue on what really goes on outside the classes... makes you wonder how many other cases like Casey's' have happened in the past without any knowledge by the school staff. i was bullied for years from middle school till 10th grade in high-school the teachers knew nothing of it, they had years to figure it out but never did forcing me to cause harm to another person of which i felt super bad for about a year.
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On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote:
I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
Rather would've seen Casey beat the shit out of that smaller kid, which he easily could have, rather take it to that level.
With great size, comes great responsibility.
Almin unless you were belittled for years by a gang of idiots you don't know the rage that you carry inside. I applaud Casey. I too was bullied. I too snapped. Put the kid (twice my size) in the hospital. The year before they held me underwater till I blacked out.
You don't know if you don't know but I'm sure you mean well.
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yR8wb.png)
now if only we had this in real life, then someone wouldn't have been taught a lesson of don't pick on people 3x your size
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I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death?
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No matter the reason, such violence should not be tolerated by any school. A suspension is definitely deserved for both parties, just for the sole reason to take a clear stance against violence.
I haven't read up on any of this, but I hope and assume (especially after all the publicity it has gotten now) that the school will take the appropriate measures when these kids come back to school.
Bullying happens at every school; I'm sure everyone has seen it happen one way or another. I've personally never seen it go as far as in this case though. It shows the school has been having a poor support system for students that get bullied... Anyone can pick the 'weak' kid out of a group that's being bullied. Teachers should've alarmed the appropriate people within the school to invest extra time into this, or perhaps undertake action themselves.
Whether or not you understand the emotional pain and rage that made this kid beat up the other kid, this kind of violence should never be allowed to happen at any school.
For Casey himself: good job kiddo, the first step to end bullying is standing up for yourself!
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On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death?
Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack.
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On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack.
Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully?
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If the teachers refuse to intervene, smashing your enemy into bits and pieces is the right response to bullying.
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On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully?
This video getting the kind of attention it is getting most likely ended Casey's bullying problems forever.
What solved my bullying problems was that I grew 8 inches in the span of a summer, and a 6'1 high school freshman is much less likely to have attention put on him. This isn't really an option for most people with these problems, sadly.
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On March 16 2011 06:57 MrBadMan wrote:
If the teachers refuse to intervene, smashing your enemy into bits and pieces is the right response to bullying.
And that will help future victims how? If the school is handling stuff like this in such an imcompetent way that has to be dealt with permanently, and that isn't accomplished by acts of violence.
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On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully?
Yeah its pretty easy for someone on the internet to say "No, he could've done this instead". After years of bullying, this kid had a lot of hidden rage built up inside of him. When your this angry, you don't think straight. He did the good thing in this situation, fuck the bully up and then back off when they can't fight back no more.
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On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death?
I'm going to fully disagree with you here.
First things first, the way I feel about things is, you don't fuck with anyone else and you don't fuck with their things. Thinking about it, it's probably how I formulated my opinion.
Now it leads to this: If Casey didn't do anything, would the other kid have stopped? He probably would have continued punching the kid. And let's assume Casey ran. He'd continue to get picked on. Show the adults/teachers the video? He'd still get his ass beat and bullied.
You're also implying that the other kid has problems has home. This may or may not be true. Some people are just straight up douchebags. More importantly, just because you have problems at home, doesn't mean you should take it out on someone else. Sure, they're young and don't understand that, but how else will they learn, ESPECIALLY if there's problems at home?
But like I said, I have this general rule where you don't fuck with anyone, not just because it's a dickhead thing to do(everyone has their own problems, even ifi they don't show it), but because some people will bite back.
Most people have a hard time changing unless there is enough force. Like all those people who want to lose weight and sign up for gym in January and quit by Feb; it's because they don't have the will power(which in itself is a force). You'll see the people who really want to change stay(for instance, people who are overweight and can't put up with it anymore).
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On March 16 2011 07:01 shwaffles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? Yeah its pretty easy for someone on the internet to say "No, he could've done this instead". After years of bullying, this kid had a lot of hidden rage built up inside of him. When your this angry, you don't think straight. He did the good thing in this situation, fuck the bully up and then back off when they can't fight back no more.
Well, you have your opinion and I have mine. If you think like that, "fuck the bully up and then back off when they can't fight back no more." You are no better than the bully himself.
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On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully?
when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life.
when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys.
it worked.
I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything.
fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got.
bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give.
telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble.
I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved.
i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back.
nearly 3 years on and i know im slightly over weight, but that's because i'm not into the whole excessive toning thing, i actually quite like having that bit of puppy fat around the middle, but i keep in shape, but every so often, early in the morning when im getting out the shower i'll look in the mirror and jsut think wow im so fat, im so ugly, how do i have friends and sometimes itll take a few days before i get over that feeling.
that bully got what he deserved, and from the throw it looks like his leg at least has a compound fracture, i hope it snapped, because then he might know maybe a 100th of of the pain of what it feels like to be bullied and ridiculed constantly.
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On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back.
If you think about it this way:
What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that?
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On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that?
They seem to forget that the bully is a kid too, and has his own problems. Sure he needs to get the shit beat out of him for that bullying, but not to get killed/paralyzed, definitely doesn't deserve that.
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On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that?
???what if casey didn't fight back, and he killed himself after constant bullying and the teachers didn't give a shit? would he have deserved that?
anyone can make up stupid what if scenarios. this is about what happened, not what could have happened.
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On March 16 2011 07:04 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:01 shwaffles wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? Yeah its pretty easy for someone on the internet to say "No, he could've done this instead". After years of bullying, this kid had a lot of hidden rage built up inside of him. When your this angry, you don't think straight. He did the good thing in this situation, fuck the bully up and then back off when they can't fight back no more. Well, you have your opinion and I have mine. If you think like that, "fuck the bully up and then back off when they can't fight back no more." You are no better than the bully himself.
Ok, so in that situation you would let the other guy punch you to the ground? You've clearly have never been bullied. It's a horrible feeling and my friend who has, always felt like he needed to watch his back because he could never rely on the teachers. If this was a case of verbal bullying then I would agree with you. If the other guy is talking shit, you have nothing to prove and it's best to just walk away. Casey's situation was different, because as soon as that kid laid a finger on him Casey needed to physically defend himself.
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If you think about it this way:
What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that?
He would of brought it on himself, people die every day. You think most of them deserve it? I wish people would just grow up and realize we don't live in this picture perfect world where nobody dies or gets hurt that's not supposed to. If you push someone enough they WILL push back, and that little fuckface was asking to get his ass stomped.
The only people to blame are the parents of that juvenile piece of shit that got his ass handed to him.
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On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that?
no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed.
ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died.
would he have deserved that?
did he deserve being alienated?
singled out for abuse?
made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day?
to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them?
to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them?
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