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On March 15 2011 02:52 Almin wrote:
I disagree, Casey took it way too far, could've easily killed the kid.
Being mentally tortured for a prolonged period of time does that to people. You can only push people so far before they snap.
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Fighting back was absolutely the right thing to do. If he were my kid I would be so fucking proud.
He didn't go overboard. The little shit got just enough of what he deserved. If he continued to pound the shit out of the kid it may have been excessive, but he didn't He showed way more control then he probably had to.
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On March 16 2011 07:30 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:26 cromat wrote:On March 16 2011 07:23 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:16 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed. ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died. would he have deserved that? did he deserve being alienated? singled out for abuse? made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day? to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them? to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them? So what you're actually implying is this: If you want to not be bullied, you turn to physical violence and you hurt the person that's bullying you. This is NOT how the world works. The civilized way to solve this is to either turn to the parents, or to your teachers. Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No! clearly you don't know how bullying works. telling the parents or teachers will solve nothing. if it did then bullying wouldn't exist. please don't post ignorant comments. You're implying that turning to physical force is the right thing to do, and you're calling me ignorant. There's no point in arguing with you.
Look if this was just verbal bullying, then your 100% correct. However, this is NOT the case. Casey needed to defend himself, and he RIGHTFULLY did. He did not attack the bully as he was trying to get back on his feet, instead he did the RIGHT thing and walked away. He didn't add salt to the wounds, but only did enough to defend himself.
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Honestly, if the kid has been teased all this time and not ever taken a shot back, a power slam might have seemed like the logical thing to do. Given a weight advantage, never having been in a fight/fought back (presumption, but chances are), and just snapping. I was a little fat kid and luckily wasn't bullied on too heavily, but if I were to endure it for years on end, I'd probably think of doing something similar.
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What's up with the notion that since nothing serious happened to the bully it's fine? If I went out drinking and driving last night and ended up getting home safely without hurting anyone or myself, that means it's a totally acceptable behaviour, right? Except it isn't. It's reckless and irresponsible, and the same thing goes for this violence IMO.
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On March 16 2011 07:35 Silvertear17 wrote:
I gotta say, ratboy totally had it coming, and for those who keep saying "what if he got paralysed" etc, so what? He's a little POS, and having seen his type around on the train, they don't exactly grow up to be productive members of society; nothing really lost anyway. However, kudos to the girl who pushes douchebag #2 away afterwards.
If he got paralyzed it would be a tragedy. The bully is a shithead, but hes still just a dumb little kid. He will probably grow up to be a decent person.
That being said, the bully got what he deserved and I don't blame the kid for snapping and doing this at all.
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On March 16 2011 07:37 shwaffles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:30 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:26 cromat wrote:On March 16 2011 07:23 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:16 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed. ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died. would he have deserved that? did he deserve being alienated? singled out for abuse? made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day? to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them? to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them? So what you're actually implying is this: If you want to not be bullied, you turn to physical violence and you hurt the person that's bullying you. This is NOT how the world works. The civilized way to solve this is to either turn to the parents, or to your teachers. Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No! clearly you don't know how bullying works. telling the parents or teachers will solve nothing. if it did then bullying wouldn't exist. please don't post ignorant comments. You're implying that turning to physical force is the right thing to do, and you're calling me ignorant. There's no point in arguing with you. It's funny that you didn't respond to my answer. Look if this was just verbal bullying, then your 100% correct. However, this is NOT the case. Casey needed to defend himself, and he RIGHTFULLY did. He did not attack the bully as he was trying to get back on his feet, instead he did the RIGHT thing and walked away. He didn't add salt to the wounds, but only did enough to defend himself.
I agree with you, you have the right to defend yourself sometimes, in extreme cases, but in this case, I think the right thing to do would have been just to run away. Casey got lucky, this turned out to be good for him, but the way that he just picked up that kid and smashed him to the ground could've turned out soooooooo bad. Think about that.
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On March 16 2011 07:40 Holgerius wrote:
What's up with the notion that since nothing serious happened to the bully it's fine? If I went out drinking and driving last night and ended up getting home safely without hurting anyone or myself, that means it's a totally acceptable behaviour, right? Except it isn't. It's reckless and irresponsible, and the same thing goes for this violence IMO.
I agree 100%.
People seem to think that when you stand up to a bully, and beat the shit out of him it always turns out alright. But it doesn't, Casey was lucky.
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Too bad the skinny kid didn't get his back cracked against the edge and died. Also, did his friend say "wanna fight someone in your own size?" If so, thats fucking hilarious.
Skinny little kid have the right to hit whoever he wants and if someone fights back they are a coward because he isnt the same size. Sounds logical bro.
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On March 16 2011 07:40 Holgerius wrote:
What's up with the notion that since nothing serious happened to the bully it's fine? If I went out drinking and driving last night and ended up getting home safely without hurting anyone or myself, that means it's a totally acceptable behaviour, right? Except it isn't. It's reckless and irresponsible, and the same thing goes for this violence IMO.
Terrible terrible terrible analogy.
If some dude came up to you and punched you in the face would you not fight back? Please. And this kid probably has far more reason to unleash on this bully then a typical adult getting hit by some dude over something stupid.
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On March 16 2011 07:31 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:28 TheGreat wrote:On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? What if Casey had got a concussion by letting this kid continue to pound him in the head? What if he had lost his balance getting hit and fell and hit his head, or what if he had already been concussed? It goes both ways, look at the punch this little POS landed at the begining of the video, he snapped Casey's head back but that wasn't good enough. It was made VERY clear that he wasn't going to stop attacking until Casey did something. Casey was cornered he tried to avoid confrontation but he had no choice. I counted 5 times he was attacked before responding, first he was grabbed and threatened than punched 4 times. The Bully looked like he was just getting started at that point. How many times is this boy supposed to get attacked before he does something? He could've just ran away.
Running away is a great way to show your fear and perpetuate the bullying. Even if he told the teachers and got the student suspended, what's to stop those kids from bullying him outside school?
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On March 16 2011 07:30 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:26 cromat wrote:On March 16 2011 07:23 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:16 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed. ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died. would he have deserved that? did he deserve being alienated? singled out for abuse? made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day? to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them? to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them? So what you're actually implying is this: If you want to not be bullied, you turn to physical violence and you hurt the person that's bullying you. This is NOT how the world works. The civilized way to solve this is to either turn to the parents, or to your teachers. Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No! clearly you don't know how bullying works. telling the parents or teachers will solve nothing. if it did then bullying wouldn't exist. please don't post ignorant comments. You're implying that turning to physical force is the right thing to do, and you're calling me ignorant. There's no point in arguing with you.
theres no point arguing with YOU since you've obviously never been bullied or have done any research (which multiple people pointed out) showing that reporting to parents and teachers don't do anything. you can sit behind your computer screen white knighting all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that casey was cornered. why aren't you condemning the actions of the bully for that matter? its okay to punch someone in the face while having a friend filming it?
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"...just run away..."
Next time some guy backs you up against a wall and repeatedly punch your face, you should just run away. Why didn't I think of that?
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On March 15 2011 02:56 iNz wrote:
The kid, and everybody supporting him should have had their head kicked in. Why wasn't this done in the first place? I remember when i first joined a new school and tried to get bullied i retaliated straight away, was never touched again. Good job though!
Their head kicked in?
You think they should be killed for bullying someone?
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On March 16 2011 07:40 Holgerius wrote:
What's up with the notion that since nothing serious happened to the bully it's fine? If I went out drinking and driving last night and ended up getting home safely without hurting anyone or myself, that means it's a totally acceptable behaviour, right? Except it isn't. It's reckless and irresponsible, and the same thing goes for this violence IMO.
ok what should he have done that would have stopped the bullying?
peopel dont seem to understand.
TELLING PARENTS/TEACHERS does not solve it.
how about this for a comparison, you emotionally torture someone for YEARS, they havent kileld themself or hit me back, so it must be totally acceptabel behaviour right?
POS like ratboy have no right to be defended.
and they dont grow up normally, if they dont get knocked down before they grow up then they enter the addult life believing they can do what they want, when they want.
most rapists and murderers already exhibit symptoms of unstable mental behaviour and aggression by the middle of their teen years.
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On March 16 2011 07:30 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:26 cromat wrote:On March 16 2011 07:23 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:16 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed. ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died. would he have deserved that? did he deserve being alienated? singled out for abuse? made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day? to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them? to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them? So what you're actually implying is this: If you want to not be bullied, you turn to physical violence and you hurt the person that's bullying you. This is NOT how the world works. The civilized way to solve this is to either turn to the parents, or to your teachers. Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No! clearly you don't know how bullying works. telling the parents or teachers will solve nothing. if it did then bullying wouldn't exist. please don't post ignorant comments. You're implying that turning to physical force is the right thing to do, and you're calling me ignorant. There's no point in arguing with you.
He is arguing that it was likely the only effective thing to do.
Seriously, "run away and ask the teachers for help"? How often has this ever worked. Teachers don't do jack shit about bullying until something like this comes up.
On March 16 2011 07:29 lundell100 wrote:
This can in no way whatsoever be compared to rape, or a knife robbery. Get real.
And an elementary school can in no way whatsoever be compared to the society at large either...
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All I've read in these pages can sum up to this:
If someone hits you, turn your back on them to give them an even bigger opportunity to really beat you down. If you respond with violence to defend yourself, you're irresponsible. What if the attacker got hurt? Man that would suck for the attacker, wouldn't it?
Ofc you should go away if you can, but GLHF turning your back to someone who has his fists all up in your face, and it might not even be the first time. How many would really hug the bully and ask him politely to stop with a smile on your face?
My head... it hurts so much. I salute Casey for standing up to this prick.
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On March 16 2011 07:31 lundell100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:28 TheGreat wrote:On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? What if Casey had got a concussion by letting this kid continue to pound him in the head? What if he had lost his balance getting hit and fell and hit his head, or what if he had already been concussed? It goes both ways, look at the punch this little POS landed at the begining of the video, he snapped Casey's head back but that wasn't good enough. It was made VERY clear that he wasn't going to stop attacking until Casey did something. Casey was cornered he tried to avoid confrontation but he had no choice. I counted 5 times he was attacked before responding, first he was grabbed and threatened than punched 4 times. The Bully looked like he was just getting started at that point. How many times is this boy supposed to get attacked before he does something? He could've just ran away.
He tried to walk away the Bully wouldn't let him, and at his weight he isn't outrunning anyone, why does he have not have a right to defend himself from assault?
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On March 16 2011 07:43 cromat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:30 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:26 cromat wrote:On March 16 2011 07:23 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:16 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 07:08 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 07:05 Belligerentz wrote:On March 16 2011 06:55 lundell100 wrote:On March 16 2011 06:35 sureshot_ wrote:On March 16 2011 06:29 lundell100 wrote:
I don't think Casey did the right thing here. What he should've done is shown the video of the bully to the teachers, and perhaps gotten him suspended that way, it should never have go to physical force, that just makes you as bad as the bully. Think about it this way: The bully probably has some serious issues at home, and that's what making him bully other kids. He should get some help, not a fuckin' hulksmash to the ground, that won't teach him anything, that will just make him mad.
This argument somewhat goes among the lines of arguing for or against the death penalty, do you really think that the appropriate punishment for murder is death? Have you ever been in a situation such as this? If finding an adult and showing this material was that easy bullying wouldn't be nearly as bad of a problem in the first place. First off, he wasn't recording the video, the bully's friend was. Second, the psychological damage from being bullied is almost, if not worse, than the physical damage. It's like telling people in a state of depression to just... feel happier. It doesn't work like that. I've never been in such a severe case of bullying but in my past I have felt the tensions of situations similar to this. It makes you feel trapped in a sense and honestly you aren't processing how to get these kids in trouble with the least amount of damage possible. Finally what Casey did was self-defense. He took a blow to the face, waited, watched as a little kid continued to show signs of taking aggressive action, then snapped. Maybe he over did it out of anger, but the difference is he backed off once the kid was disabled, he didn't continue to attack. Sure, getting bullied is extreme torture not only mentally but physically aswell, but do you really think that this solved anything? I never said that it was EASY for Casey to tell the teachers, I said that it was the RIGHT thing to do. What solved your bully problems, did you also hulksmash your bully? when i was being constantly bullied emotionally i took it in stride but the anger that builds up starts eating away, eventually even the strongest most seemingly happy people can contemplate ending it, especialyl if ( like in my case) there have been other emotionally issues in their life. when it turned to violence i had had enough and smashed 2 of the bullys. it worked. I try to avoid violence at all costs, i'm a big guy and i could throw my weight around but i don't like to, if a fight can be avoided i'll avoid it, but i learnt from the bullying i went through when it gets to a certain point pacifism isn't going to solve anything. fact of the matter is, all schools anti-bullying system is flawed and in the worst cases these people kill themselves, i never got to that point but if i hadn't stood up for myself i don't know how much worse the bullying would have got. bullying snowballs, the more you take the more they'll give. telling a teacher is the right thing to do, if you want it to get worse, all that will happen is the bully will try to make it even less hard to prove it's happening and most likely be more malicious for the attempt to get him into trouble. I don't enjoy violence, but it does, at the end of the day, get things resolved. i'd say 90% of bullies would most likely not even go near anyone they thought would ever fight back. If you think about it this way: What if the bully got killed? What if he hit his head in the ground and got paralyzed for the rest of his life? Would he have deserved that? no, but he would have deserved any ridicule he recieved while paralysed. ok how abotu this, casey didnt fight back, he got hit again and again, then went home and slashed his wrists open with his dads razor and died. would he have deserved that? did he deserve being alienated? singled out for abuse? made to feel unsafe in a palce he is legally forced to go to for 7-9 hours a day? to be made the punching bag for any slimy creep who wants to beat on someone to make themself feel better abotu daddy and mummy not loving them? to have things said to him so often abotu himself that he starts to believe them? So what you're actually implying is this: If you want to not be bullied, you turn to physical violence and you hurt the person that's bullying you. This is NOT how the world works. The civilized way to solve this is to either turn to the parents, or to your teachers. Do you seriously think that this mindset works later in life? If you get bullied at your workplace when you're an adult, do you think that you can just go to that person and beat the shit out of him, and everything will turn out alright? No! clearly you don't know how bullying works. telling the parents or teachers will solve nothing. if it did then bullying wouldn't exist. please don't post ignorant comments. You're implying that turning to physical force is the right thing to do, and you're calling me ignorant. There's no point in arguing with you. theres no point arguing with YOU since you've obviously never been bullied or have done any research (which multiple people pointed out) showing that reporting to parents and teachers don't do anything. you can sit behind your computer screen white knighting all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that casey was cornered. why aren't you condemning the actions of the bully for that matter? its okay to punch someone in the face while having a friend filming it?
Please tell me this: WHEN DID I SAY THAT IT WAS OKAY TO BULLY OTHER PEOPLE?
You're fucking retarded. Just because I don't agree with you, you seem to think that I'm rooting for the bully. I DO know how it feels to be bullied, I was bullied when I was young, but I didn't have the 50 pounds him like Casey did, so I couldn't do shit about it. I got lucky, the person who bullied me actually grew up, and stopped bullying me by some miracle act. I didn't have to bodyslam him to get that message through. I can see how it seems fair out of the victims perspective, but you neglect the fact that the bully is also mentally damaged, and needs help.
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On March 16 2011 07:46 ReaVU wrote:
All I've read in these pages can sum up to this:
If someone hits you, turn your back on them to give them an even bigger opportunity to really beat you down. If you respond with violence to defend yourself, you're irresponsible. What if the attacker got hurt? Man that would suck for the attacker, wouldn't it?
Ofc you should go away if you can, but GLHF turning your back to someone who has his fists all up in your face, and it might not even be the first time. How many would really hug the bully and ask him politely to stop with a smile on your face?
My head... it hurts so much. I salute Casey for standing up to this prick.
This.
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