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Note: a number of sources are saying that Beast Master Casey has been suspended for 4 days and that the rat boy was suspended for 21. Look around for more sources please. |
On March 16 2011 01:30 beg wrote:
i was semi-bullied by a bunch of girls (good god, this scarred me until now) ... i can totally relate to how casey must have felt. it was a move out of desperation... killing the other boy would have been a terrible accident and would have left casey scarred for a lifetime... it's lucky for him that it didn't happen.
nevertheless, violence isn't a good answer anyway... the coolest boys would just laugh at the little ratboy and walk away without even caring. that is SO much more masculine than destroying the other one in a fight... sooo much more...
anyway... poor casey... i'm sure he felt a lot better after that day, but with the aftertaste of having hurt another being...
life ain't easy, ya.
Correction: Walking away is so much more "MATURE", Smashing that kid was defiantly more MASCULINE in every definition and meaning of the word lol
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Honestly, i can't understand people saying Casey's suspension was deserved. If anything, it's all the school fault, the school staff obviously failed the students, allowing bullying to take place to the point these children are encouraging it and taking video of it.
Then the school dares to say that they do not tolerate any violence and such. Well, the school staff should have done a better job, the bully had it coming. Casey stood up for himself when the school was incapable of dealing with bullying.
Casey's suspension is unacceptable. He took the first hits, been bullied for years, never fought back. And when he finaly does, because the school staff and the bully's parents did an awful job, he gets suspended ?!
Really makes you wonder.
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Some of you are so retarded, a punch or kick can be just lethal as well.
Also, if he did punch or kick the situation would of escalated more and since ratboy had friends with him it would of made things worse for casey.
Finally, how many fights do you get in where you think through every move and detail you are going to do, it's not Sherlock Holmes for **** sake.
IDIOTS!!!
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On March 16 2011 03:15 Muzer22 wrote:
Some of you are so retarded, a punch or kick can be just lethal as well.
Also, if he did punch or kick the situation would of escalated more and since ratboy had friends with him it would of made things worse for casey.
Finally, how many fights do you get in where you think through every move and detail you are going to do, it's not Sherlock Holmes for **** sake.
IDIOTS!!!
very small chance BUT theoretically if one hits another at the chest at a correct timing, and i mean by the millisecond or nanosecond, the person's punch can actually rupture the aorta and kill the person instantly....well maybe not instantly but will be dead in a couple of minutes.
It has happened
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Some kid at our school died that way a few years ago...not from a punch, but from a thrown foam javelin. Like those toy things used to teach kids how to play "track and field" in PE.
Apparently hit him at exactly the right time to cause cardiac arrest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precordial_thump
Similar principle.
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On March 16 2011 02:24 virpi wrote:
I think his reaction was way to harsh.
What is one supposed to do when being cornered and assaulted? The little POS took 5 straight hostile actions before Casey finally defended himself.
1. Got in Casey's face and grabbed him while threatening him.
Casey's Reaction: backed down trying to avoid confrontation.
2. Punched him hard in the face.
Again Casey is apologetic doesn't want to fight.
3. Swung hard at Casey's face.
More of the same from Casey.
4. Starts dancing and taunting Casey before punching him yet again.
Yet again Casey just ignores him.
5. Punches Casey yet again, and appears unwilling to stop anytime soon.
Casey finally defends himself and the two grab each other but Casey being bigger gets the upperhand.
Everybody is concerned about the health of the bully BUT getting punched in the head numerous times can cause a concussion or even death.
The bully had him cornered it, Casey had 2 options defend himself, or wait for the kid to stop before he seriously hurts him, the little POS didn't look like he was gonna stop.
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if i were the person in charge of handing out the punishments there I would just be all like "looks like self-defense to me" and then tell that little kid he's a jerk and leave the room. seriously, this little kid is not only a bully, but also must be retarded for picking on someone so much bigger than him.
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On March 16 2011 03:18 heroyi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 03:15 Muzer22 wrote:
Some of you are so retarded, a punch or kick can be just lethal as well.
Also, if he did punch or kick the situation would of escalated more and since ratboy had friends with him it would of made things worse for casey.
Finally, how many fights do you get in where you think through every move and detail you are going to do, it's not Sherlock Holmes for **** sake.
IDIOTS!!! very small chance BUT theoretically if one hits another at the chest at a correct timing, and i mean by the millisecond or nanosecond, the person's punch can actually rupture the aorta and kill the person instantly....well maybe not instantly but will be dead in a couple of minutes. It has happened
Could of got hit in the temple which can be lethal, a kick in the ribs could break a rib which could cause a punctured lung leading to fatality.
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I can see the inherent justification behind his suspension. In a perfectly morally reflective system of punishment, I'd agree that Casey was completely not at fault and shouldn't receive any punishment. In practice, however, I can see how a guardian would want to send the message of "Please try not to resort to violence" to Casey and by proxy the rest of the school, even if they thought it was a justified course of action; just because something is justified does not make it inherently "good" or moral. A murder by a sociopath can be justified by his unstable mental condition and inability to feel empathy, yet that still doesn't mean it was a good or right thing. Violence, including in self-defense or justified, will inevitably have consequences, generally (although not always, I admit) of the negative sort. It makes sense to have some sort of negative consequence for violence.
But that was a fucking awesome body-slam.
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My mother had an expression that fits this situation aptly.
"When someone hits you, hit him back harder. That way, both the attacker, and the victim will get punished, instead of neither."
I can definitely see why the school would rather send the message of "Violence in self-defense is unacceptable", then the more honest one of "We do nothing to protect our students from violence." Doesn't make it such behaviour justified (Unlike the body slam).
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As a former MMA fighter and professional wrestler, I can tell you all that the human body is a lot more resilient than people think. Sure accidents do and can happen resulting in serious injury and even death from the smallest things. A good friend of mine who is a doorman in the town I live in killed a guy (by accident) with a single punch to the head in self defense. However all that aside, im glad that the little fucker got "Dominated" like that (Fans of Ron Simmons/Farooq back in the days of the WWF will get the pun here). Hopefully that will teach them all to leave him well the hell alone.
I had similar things happen to me when I was a child, until, like Casey - I defended myself in a somewhat extreme fashion. Wierdly I never got bullied again.
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On March 16 2011 03:59 TheGreat wrote:What is one supposed to do when being cornered and assaulted? The little POS took 5 straight hostile actions before Casey finally defended himself. 1. Got in Casey's face and grabbed him while threatening him. Casey's Reaction: backed down trying to avoid confrontation. 2. Punched him hard in the face. Again Casey is apologetic doesn't want to fight. 3. Swung hard at Casey's face. More of the same from Casey. 4. Starts dancing and taunting Casey before punching him yet again. Yet again Casey just ignores him. 5. Punches Casey yet again, and appears unwilling to stop anytime soon. Casey finally defends himself and the two grab each other but Casey being bigger gets the upperhand. Everybody is concerned about the health of the bully BUT getting punched in the head numerous times can cause a concussion or even death. The bully had him cornered it, Casey had 2 options defend himself, or wait for the kid to stop before he seriously hurts him, the little POS didn't look like he was gonna stop.
You're right man. If the school saw this video I don't see any warrant for punishing Casey at all. He did everything right. I hope they get Judge Judy for the bully's mother's lawsuit
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when i was younger i spent about 2 year being passively bullied ( names, stupid practical jokes constantly etc) then one day one of the bullies lapped me across the face to try and provoke me.
i grabbed him by the back of his shirt smashed his head into a locker,
one of the bullies still didn't get the message, so when he said non-forum friendly things about what my girlfriend must be to go out with someone like me, i dragged him out of his chair and then dropped him.
all this was within a week, after that week no one said anything malicious to me again.
face it: the only way a school can stop bullying is expulsion on the 1st report, which won't happen.
teacher prance around the issue because its so hard to prove unless it's already resorted to violence.
One thing positive came out of my experience though, when i was in 6th form ( dno what that is to americans 16-18) i'd gone from short and cubby with puffy cheeks, to a respectable 6"1 with broad shoulders and a bit of puppy fat but pretty athletic build.
i saw a kid in the lower years being harrased in the cafeteria, i didnt think it was anything major, just friends muckin about, but the same thing happened on the bus that day where the bully was actually body slamming the poor kid, so i walked over and told him to stop or he'd be dealing with me, and to tell his friends that anyone i see bullying will have the same problem.
i got a bit of a reputation as the bully hunter and i'd often have people coming up to me on lunch breaks and asking me to help them out with issues.
The only solution to bullying is to be more intimidating to the bully than he is to you. and teachers can't do this, the worst a bully gets is a slap on the wrist maybe a suspension ( unless its like the 10th reported incident in a month sort of thing which leads to expulsion).
the sad truth is, you either have to stand up for yourself, or have someone bigger than them to stand up for you.
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I used to defend kids that got bullied at school cause I was strong and confident and maybe a bit foolhardy. It just pissed me off so much to see people get picked on when they didn't do anything to deserve it.
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On March 16 2011 04:07 ishboh wrote:
if i were the person in charge of handing out the punishments there I would just be all like "looks like self-defense to me" and then tell that little kid he's a jerk and leave the room. seriously, this little kid is not only a bully, but also must be retarded for picking on someone so much bigger than him.
Then the school get sued massively by the parents of the bully.
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after smashing him on the floor he should have gave him a kick in face. He got suspended anyway, why not unleash thy Anger.
Imho the guy filming should have been suspended at well. Standing aside as the horny spectator waiting for blood. He's the worst of all the 3.
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The only way to stop bullying is to show them they can't fuck with you and you won't take it. I bet the little kid would keep his head down everytime he sees the big kid now, and so he should.
He deserved the slam and more I think.
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I don't know why people are saying "violence is never the answer." It's naive to think that way. Part of growing up is learning to stand up for yourself. That means taking care of things yourself, not grabbing a teacher to solve things peacefully (though a peaceful route would be preferred). The latter will not put a stop to bullying. If anything, it will make it worse because you are showing weakness, an inability to fight for yourself regardless of the consequences.
Fighting back was the right thing to do. He learned how to stand up for himself and the bully learned that being a dick has consequences. Even if the bully did get seriously injured, he would only have himself to blame.
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There was honestly no great way to resolve this situation. Should Casey have picked the kid up and slammed him into the ground? Probably not. Should he have just sat there and taken it? Most definitely not. The real sad thing is that he was forced into making a decision like that in the first place.
I'm glad he decided to take the route where he made things better for himself and for bullied kids everywhere, even though he probably wasn't thinking about that at the time. That said, I don't agree that we should be putting this kid on a fucking pedestal, as an example of what bullied kids should do everywhere. That road just leads to a lot of pain and sadness.
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On March 16 2011 03:13 MandoRelease wrote:
Honestly, i can't understand people saying Casey's suspension was deserved. If anything, it's all the school fault, the school staff obviously failed the students, allowing bullying to take place to the point these children are encouraging it and taking video of it.
Then the school dares to say that they do not tolerate any violence and such. Well, the school staff should have done a better job, the bully had it coming. Casey stood up for himself when the school was incapable of dealing with bullying.
Casey's suspension is unacceptable. He took the first hits, been bullied for years, never fought back. And when he finaly does, because the school staff and the bully's parents did an awful job, he gets suspended ?!
Really makes you wonder.
Yes, the school has obviously failed him really hard, so what he and his parents should've done a lot earlier is take this higher up and have the school investigated.
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