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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members. Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true. | ||
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Sumsi
Germany593 Posts
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On March 12 2011 20:58 dump wrote: Someone died because their respirator stopped after the power outage. I know power outages are really rare in Japan, but damn... that's a lot of faith to put on your power lines. They don't have emergency generators at hospitals? I can't imagine that. It must've been multiple failures. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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Quint
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dump
Japan514 Posts
On March 12 2011 21:23 hugman wrote: They don't have emergency generators at hospitals? I can't imagine that. It must've been multiple failures. Sorry, I think I mistranslated: I think it's an oxygen concentrator that the person was using. There's a reason medical translators make a lot more per word than us general translators  But yeah, I'm surprised those machines wouldn't have a fair amount of backup power if they're critical for survival. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On March 12 2011 21:22 TimeOut wrote: Seriously. The Spiegel title is "GAU has happened: Japanese Nuclear Plant meltdown". 2 headlines further down you have an article about the political reactions and how the opposition demands changes in our nuclear policy because of the incident. Those are obviously related and not a political conspiracy. There will always be a political bias in media regarding nuclear power, even more here in Germany than in other countries. But that is no reason for them to report deliberately wrong and misleading information. Please stop it. You're over-interpreting excited journalists eager to get some flashy headlines into a politically motivated conspiracy. Obviously there's a certain bias and related issues (i.e. nuclear safety) will be discussed alongside the earthquake coverage, but that's it. There are other worries at hand, though. Let's hope that it's indeed just journalists getting ahead of themselves, and that all fail-safes in the power plants are working and we're not indeed facing a second Chernobyl. | ||
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eaT_Mi_Lquid
Germany509 Posts
Damn, my GF lives in Tokyo  | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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TimeOut
Germany1277 Posts
On March 12 2011 21:32 Shockk wrote: Please stop it. You're over-interpreting excited journalists eager to get some flashy headlines into a politically motivated conspiracy. Obviously there's a certain bias and related issues (i.e. nuclear safety) will be discussed alongside the earthquake coverage, but that's it. There are other worries at hand, though. Let's hope that it's indeed just journalists getting ahead of themselves, and that all fail-safes in the power plants are working and we're not indeed facing a second Chernobyl. Alright, I won't address the issue of German media idiocy any further. By this point it doesn't matter at all what's the motivation behind those headlines. It is still a fact that they are incredibly wrong, misleading and ultimately dangerous. As I said earlier, even if the reactor experiences more significant failures or the containment building ruptures, there is no possibility for it to have the same impact and consequences as Chernobyl. The reactor types are far too different for that to happen. Also, the crisis management of the Japanese seems to be very good so far. They are following standard procedures and are using the failure guidelines that they had in place for such an event. | ||
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drew-chan
Malaysia1517 Posts
![[image loading]](http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/3/12/d9c17e58-c5d5-42fb-a058-5e683ef311ed_500.jpg) From Reuters, mostly for precautions I assume. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On March 12 2011 21:38 TimeOut wrote: Alright, I won't address the issue of German media idiocy any further. By this point it doesn't matter at all what's the motivation behind those headlines. It is still a fact that they are incredibly wrong, misleading and ultimately dangerous. As I said earlier, even if the reactor experiences more significant failures or the containment building ruptures, there is no possibility for it to have the same impact and consequences as Chernobyl. The reactor types are far too different for that to happen. Also, the crisis management of the Japanese seems to be very good so far. They are following standard procedures and are using the failure guidelines that they had in place for such an event. It's getting really retarded, I watched N24 or ntv (whatever, I always mix those up ._.) this morning and they were interviewing some expert and every question was like: "HYPOTHETICALLY!!! How bad could it get", "What is the worst case?", "Are the Japanese really that careless to let that happen?" | ||
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MaGariShun
Austria305 Posts
On March 12 2011 21:45 FliedLice wrote: It's getting really retarded, I watched N24 or ntv (whatever, I always mix those up ._.) this morning and they were interviewing some expert and every question was like: "HYPOTHETICALLY!!! How bad could it get", "What is the worst case?", "Are the Japanese really that careless to let that happen?" HaHa this is so true :D I've watched some american news today and they're all like: "This is terrible and all, BUT HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE COAST OF CALIFORNIA EXACTLY?" I dont think anyone browsing TL is stupid enough to trust the media blindly. Even now the japanese officials are probably lying about the situation at the power plant, but can't blame them, people are already scared enough. | ||
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Electric.Jesus
Germany755 Posts
Japanese Officials have confirmed meltdown in Fukushima's reactor 1. Conrete mantle has been destroyed by the explosion but the steel mantle is still intact preventing the worst. They plan to use seawater for further cooling. | ||
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fanta[Rn]
Japan2465 Posts
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MaGariShun
Austria305 Posts
On March 12 2011 21:53 Electric.Jesus wrote: Current status as far as I am informed: Japanese Officials have confirmed meltdown in Fukushima's reactor 1. Conrete mantle has been destroyed by the explosion but the steel mantle is still intact preventing the worst. They plan to use seawater for further cooling. What is your source? Major newssites dont seem to have that information yet | ||
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dump
Japan514 Posts
On March 12 2011 21:40 drew-chan wrote: From Reuters, mostly for precautions I assume. Probably just to reduce exposure as much as they can. They're telling people to stay inside, close the windows, wear masks, wash their hands and faces, not wear short sleeves or eat food that's been left out etc.. Basically we have a sort of "budget" of exposure to radiation before the chances of disease becomes a concern. 1,000uSv per year is acceptable, and the reactor is leaking 1,015uSv per hour. Not exactly lethal, but not very pleasant or healthy. | ||
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TimeOut
Germany1277 Posts
On March 12 2011 21:53 Electric.Jesus wrote: Current status as far as I am informed: Japanese Officials have confirmed meltdown in Fukushima's reactor 1. Conrete mantle has been destroyed by the explosion but the steel mantle is still intact preventing the worst. They plan to use seawater for further cooling. "Meltdown" is far too drastic as a term. Official plant status, TEPCO press release: + Show Spoiler [Wall of text] + Plant Status of Fukushima Daini Nuclear Power Station (as of 3PM March 12th) Unit 1 (shut down at 2:48PM on March 11th) - Reactor is shut down and reactor water level is stable. - Offsite power is available. - At 8:19am, there was an alarm indicating that one of the control rods was not properly inserted, however, at 10:43am the alarm was automatically called off. Other control rods have been confirmed that they are fully inserted (reactor is in subcritical status). - Status of main steam isolation valve: closed - Injection of water into the reactor had been done by the Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System, but at 3:48AM, injection by Make-up Water Condensate System begun. - At 6:08PM, we announced the increase in reactor containment vessel pressure, assumed to be due to leakage of reactor coolant. However, we do not believe there is leakage of reactor coolant in the containment vessel at this moment. - At 5:22AM, the temperature of the suppression chamber exceeded 100 degrees. As the reactor pressure suppression function was lost, at 5:22AM, it was determined that a specific incident stipulated in article 15, clause 1 has occurred. - We decided to prepare implementing measures to reduce the pressure of the reactor containment vessel (partial discharge of air containing radioactive materials) in order to fully secure safety. This preparation work commenced at around 9:43am. Unit 2 (shut down at 2:48PM on March 11th) - Reactor is shut down and reactor water level is stable. - Offsite power is available. - Control rods are fully inserted (reactor is in subcritical status). - Status of main steam isolation valve: closed - Injection of water into the reactor had been done by the Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System, but at 4:50AM, injection by Make-up Water Condensate System begun. - We do not believe there is leakage of reactor coolant in the containment vessel. - At 5:22AM, the temperature of the suppression chamber exceeded 100 degrees. As the reactor pressure suppression function was lost, at 5:22AM, it was determined that a specific incident stipulated in article 15, clause 1 has occurred. - We decided to prepare implementing measures to reduce the pressure of the reactor containment vessel (partial discharge of air containing radioactive materials) in order to fully secure safety. This preparation work commenced at around 10:33AM and completed at 10:58AM. Unit 3 (shut down at 2:48PM on March 11th) - Reactor is shut down and reactor water level is stable. - Offsite power is available. - Control rods are fully inserted (reactor is in subcritical status) - Status of main steam isolation valve: closed - Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System is turned off. Currently, injection of water into the reactor is done by Make-up Water Condensate System. - We do not believe there is leakage of reactor coolant in the containment vessel. - We decided to prepare implementing measures to reduce the pressure of the reactor containment vessel (partial discharge of air containing radioactive materials) in order to fully secure safety. This preparation work commenced at around 12:08PM and completed at 12:13AM. - At 12:15PM, the reactor achieved cold shut down. Unit 4 (shut down at 2:48PM on March 11th) - Reactor is shut down and reactor water level is stable. - Offsite power is available. - Control rods are fully inserted (reactor is in subcritical status) - Status of main steam isolation valve: closed - Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System is turned off. Currently, injection of water into the reactor is done by Make-up Water Condensate System. - We do not believe there is leakage of reactor coolant in the containment vessel. - In order to cool down the reactor, injection of water into the reactor had been done by the Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System, however, At 6:07AM, the temperature of the suppression chamber exceeded 100 degrees. As the reactor pressure suppression function was lost, at 6:07AM, it was determined that a specific incident stipulated in article 15, clause 1 has occurred. - We decided to prepare implementing measures to reduce the pressure of the reactor containment vessel (partial discharge of air containing radioactive materials) in order to fully secure safety. This preparation work commenced at around 11:44AM and completed at 11:52AM. Indication from monitoring posts installed at the site boundary did not show any difference from ordinary level. No radiation impact to the external environment has been confirmed. We will continue to monitor in detail the possibility of radioactive material being discharged from exhaust stack or discharge canal. There is no missing person within the power station. We are presently checking on the site situation of each plant while keeping the situation of aftershock and Tsunami in mind. A seriously injured worker is still trapped in the crane operating console of the exhaust stack and his breathing and pulse cannot be confirmed. Currently, the rescue efforts are under way. A worker was lightly injured spraining his left ankle and cutting both knees when he fell while walking at the site. After medical treatment and subsequent rest, the worker has got back his workplace. (Source: http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031221-e.html) | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
On March 12 2011 21:23 hugman wrote: They don't have emergency generators at hospitals? I can't imagine that. It must've been multiple failures. Emergency generators are usually diesel, so it really depends on how much diesel you have on hand, usually an organisation would have 2 hours of UPS back supply and hold enough diesel for around 12-48 hours, pending the type of business they are. They would have contracts with a large oil company such as Shell or Mobile for emergency diesel deliveries, by which they will get a tanker full of diesel by they door steps with 2-6 hours. Obviously under an isolated power failure you will be fine but under a large disaster the fuel depots holding your diesels, themselves may have been destroyed, let alone the roads and your actual generator may also have been damaged. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On March 12 2011 21:56 dump wrote: Probably just to reduce exposure as much as they can. They're telling people to stay inside, close the windows, wear masks, wash their hands and faces, not wear short sleeves or eat food that's been left out etc.. Basically we have a sort of "budget" of exposure to radiation before the chances of disease becomes a concern. 1,000uSv per year is acceptable, and the reactor is leaking 1,015uSv per hour. Not exactly lethal, but not very pleasant or healthy. 1,000uSv per year is a very low limit for the general population, because it is also meant to protect very small children or pregnant women. 20,000uSv per year is the acceptable limit for people working at nuclear power plants. | ||
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dump
Japan514 Posts
On March 12 2011 22:02 Maenander wrote: 1,000uSv per year is a very low limit for the general population, because it is also meant to protect very small children or pregnant women. 20,000uSv per year is the acceptable limit for people working at nuclear power plants. Interesting, thanks for the insight. | ||
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