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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.

Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
March 12 2011 11:06 GMT
#1521
On March 12 2011 20:02 awha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 19:58 TFB wrote:
On March 12 2011 19:55 awha wrote:
where do you get your news from mate?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

It's the BBC's live web coverage.


thanks a bunch.

Just read this on reuters:
"Radiation leaking from quake-hit nuclear plant"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/us-japan-quake-idUSTRE72A0SS20110312

Lets hope its not true

It's really the amount that matters. Radiation leaking doesn't say much.
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 12 2011 11:09 GMT
#1522
On March 12 2011 20:00 zeru wrote:
5 other nuclear reactors also in threat of meltdowns, they are running on their temporary battery power as of now, there is no power anymore apparently.

They have about a day to fix all the plants power.

Japan keep denying the meltdown in the 1st one, whereas its almost confirmed by experts.


Says who? BBC would seem to disagree.

+ Show Spoiler +
"If the pressure vessel, which is the thing that actually holds all the nuclear fuel ... if that was to explode -- that's basically what happened at Chernobyl -- you get an enormous release of radioactive material.

"It doesn't look from the television pictures ... as though it's the vessel itself.


On March 12 2011 20:02 awha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 19:58 TFB wrote:
On March 12 2011 19:55 awha wrote:
where do you get your news from mate?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

It's the BBC's live web coverage.


thanks a bunch.

Just read this on reuters:
"Radiation leaking from quake-hit nuclear plant"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/us-japan-quake-idUSTRE72A0SS20110312

Lets hope its not true


It's true, but at the moment it's not too bad -- as in, they have time to evacuate people.

On March 12 2011 20:05 Mafe wrote:
What is the weather like in Japan? Would radioactive clouds be drifting towards the ocean, the main populated areas or even korea/china/russia or be washed out by rain soon or what?


Currently windows are blowing northwards. They're expecting it to face east off the coast overnight, which would be good.
yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 11:14:15
March 12 2011 11:11 GMT
#1523
edited, posted earlier.
nospeech
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
March 12 2011 11:12 GMT
#1524
--- Nuked ---
HaSDe
Profile Joined August 2005
Germany87 Posts
March 12 2011 11:13 GMT
#1525
Radiation said to be at 1000mS...

if that's true, the situation is really serious!
8] 8[
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 11:18:28
March 12 2011 11:15 GMT
#1526
this is going to be an even bigger disaster...

hoep they can sort it out quick
Live and Let Die!
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
March 12 2011 11:17 GMT
#1527
--- Nuked ---
Klunssila
Profile Joined December 2010
United States220 Posts
March 12 2011 11:18 GMT
#1528
"If the pressure vessel, which is the thing that actually holds all the nuclear fuel ... if that was to explode -- that's basically what happened at Chernobyl -- you get an enormous release of radioactive material.

"It doesn't look from the television pictures ... as though it's the vessel itself.

This is false, the nuclear reactor at Japan has a containment building. Chernobyl had no containment building which meant that the radioactive material was free to roam around the skies.

Also people freaking out is just stupid. There has been no reliable reports that the REACTOR has actually exploded.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 11:28:19
March 12 2011 11:21 GMT
#1529
--- Nuked ---
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
March 12 2011 11:23 GMT
#1530
On March 12 2011 20:13 HaSDe wrote:
Radiation said to be at 1000mS...

if that's true, the situation is really serious!

Sievert doesn't measure radioactivity, it measures absorbed energy from radiation per unit of mass. It's a measurement of a radiation 'dose'. How much you absorb depends on what type of radiation it is, how long you're exposed to it and how you're exposed to it. That number is not meaningful without more context, but even so, 1 Sievert isn't that much to worry about in the grand scheme of things. It can give vomiting and such things, but it ususally won't do lasting damage.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 11:27:33
March 12 2011 11:26 GMT
#1531
1 sievert is just a JOKe amount of radiation i am sorry but a square mile of land gets more from background radiation in a year than that. this 1S is absorbed by the entire world and diluted it is not even a serious thing.

anyway to get back on topic...talk about earthquake
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
March 12 2011 11:27 GMT
#1532
On March 12 2011 20:18 Klunssila wrote:
"If the pressure vessel, which is the thing that actually holds all the nuclear fuel ... if that was to explode -- that's basically what happened at Chernobyl -- you get an enormous release of radioactive material.

"It doesn't look from the television pictures ... as though it's the vessel itself.

This is false, the nuclear reactor at Japan has a containment building. Chernobyl had no containment building which meant that the radioactive material was free to roam around the skies.

Also people freaking out is just stupid. There has been no reliable reports that the REACTOR has actually exploded.


I just woke up, saw the coverage in the German media (which basically amounts to "OMG CHERNOBYL! EVERYBODY RUN!") and checked the video for myself.

It is pretty obvious that the containment building is still intact and that the explosion was in a side area of the building. Usually that shouldn't explode too, but so far there is no proof that the containment building has ruptured or is damaged, so there is no need to freak out.

The comparison to Chernobyl in particular are completely wrong. The reactor types are completely different. One of the big problems with Chernobyl was that they used graphite as a moderator, which subsequently caught fire and proceeded to spread radioactive material in the ashes over a huge area.

Even if the containment building is damaged or ruptures and everything explodes, it is nearly impossible to reach the same widespread effect. It would still be one of the most dangerous nuclear power failures, but it would be a localized effect.

But that is all "worst case" speculation and since we don't have any proof of the containment building failing, there is no need for panic. That radiation was detected in the environment is to be expected because they took measures to reduce the pressure both in the containment building and the actual reactor.

The only thing that is troubling in those measurements is the presence of certain elements that should only be present if the fuel elements itself were damaged.
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 12 2011 11:27 GMT
#1533
On March 12 2011 20:18 Klunssila wrote:
"If the pressure vessel, which is the thing that actually holds all the nuclear fuel ... if that was to explode -- that's basically what happened at Chernobyl -- you get an enormous release of radioactive material.

"It doesn't look from the television pictures ... as though it's the vessel itself.

This is false, the nuclear reactor at Japan has a containment building. Chernobyl had no containment building which meant that the radioactive material was free to roam around the skies.

Also people freaking out is just stupid. There has been no reliable reports that the REACTOR has actually exploded.


They're talking about the containment vessel.

Also, I think people are freaking out because there's good reason to believe some of the rods are melting, and if the inner thing , the whole area could end up becoming uninhabitable for... how ever long it takes for cesium/iodine to decay. I think. I don't know, but that would seem to be the case.

20km of land in a Japanese city becoming uninhabitable is a big deal even just economically if nothing else.
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
March 12 2011 11:30 GMT
#1534
On March 12 2011 20:26 oneofthem wrote:
1 sievert is just a JOKe amount of radiation i am sorry but a square mile of land gets more from background radiation in a year than that. this 1S is absorbed by the entire world and diluted it is not even a serious thing.

anyway to get back on topic...talk about earthquake

As of now, it would appear to me that people work at the thing. Rather than wait at the other end of the world for that "bit" of radiation to dissipate in the atmosphere. They may be giving their life to keep things under as much control as can be applied.
LancerJ
Profile Joined June 2010
United States160 Posts
March 12 2011 11:33 GMT
#1535
On March 12 2011 20:13 HaSDe wrote:
Radiation said to be at 1000mS...

if that's true, the situation is really serious!

I've been watching NHK on ustream and the number reported there is a measurement, as of ~5 hours ago, of 1000 μSv (micro, not milli) over the course of 1 hour. This is comparable to an average background radiation dose over 1 year absorbed in 1 hour. Only if it was 1000 times higher would you start getting nausea, hair loss, bleeding, etc.

As of now (8:30pm in Japan) the prime minister has started a press conference.
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 12 2011 11:39 GMT
#1536
Dammit, Prime Minister Kan says he's been to the plant and he says he's talked to the people there but he's not saying anything about what they told him about what really happened. He's just saying he's going to do everything he can to save every person.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 12 2011 11:42 GMT
#1537
On March 12 2011 20:30 snow2.0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 20:26 oneofthem wrote:
1 sievert is just a JOKe amount of radiation i am sorry but a square mile of land gets more from background radiation in a year than that. this 1S is absorbed by the entire world and diluted it is not even a serious thing.

anyway to get back on topic...talk about earthquake

As of now, it would appear to me that people work at the thing. Rather than wait at the other end of the world for that "bit" of radiation to dissipate in the atmosphere. They may be giving their life to keep things under as much control as can be applied.

of course. they are doing an extremely important job.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
maahes`ra
Profile Joined January 2011
United States255 Posts
March 12 2011 11:43 GMT
#1538
Yeah, I echo your frustrations, dump.

That press conference had no -beef-. AUGH. I can't sleep, this is all driving me nuts. ;~;
( ._.) ( ._) ( .) ( ) (≖ ) (‿≖ ) (≖‿≖ ) (≖‿≖) ( ≖‿≖) ( -‿-)
dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
March 12 2011 11:43 GMT
#1539
Edano says the external building exploded, but the internal containment vessel is fine.

So we're safe.
kaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States601 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 11:44:32
March 12 2011 11:44 GMT
#1540
I haven't been sleeping for almost a day...

Must keep update...
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