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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.
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On March 12 2011 19:41 Loanshark wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 19:38 dump wrote:On March 12 2011 19:37 fanta[Rn] wrote:
Serious damage to reactor container at nuclear plant unlikely - Kyodo quoting Japan nuclear safety agency - Reuters Yeahh... uhh... yeah. No. I'm pretty sure the explosion was at some other part of the plant, not the reactor. I seriously hope it doesn't snowball into another Chernobyl.
It was the ceiling of a reactor according to the BBC which is according to the NHK.
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1009: "This is starting to look a lot like Chernobyl" Walt Patterson, an associate fellow with Chatham House, has told the BBC after seeing pictures of the explosion at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant. "The nuclear agency says that they have detected caesium and iodine outside the unit, which certainly indicates fuel melting at the very least," he says. "Once you have melting fuel coming into contact with water, that would almost certainly be the cause of the explosion."
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On March 12 2011 19:31 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 09:51 NukeTheStars wrote:
If you haven't donated to the efforts yet, whip out those wallets! Red Cross websites accept any amount of money, and they will do kickass stuff with it. Go sell one of your crappy games at Gamestop or Ebay or wherever and move that cash, because our Japanese friends need it a hell of a lot more than we do! Go go go Instead of sending donations why not go out of your way to pick up some made in Japan items?
Yeah, I'm totally buying a toyota later this year, makes even more sense now.
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On March 12 2011 19:41 dump wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 19:39 fanta[Rn] wrote:
man I hope gov is telling the truth T_T They need to tell us what that building was -- though I really can't think of anything that would cause a catastrophic explosion with white smoke coming out. Can any physicists person comment?
Some news says the hydrogen they used for cooling exploded but definetly not a nuclear explosion.
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Yeah the situation is very confused atm... we have just to wait and see...
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On March 12 2011 19:43 Pistolfied wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 19:41 Loanshark wrote:On March 12 2011 19:38 dump wrote:On March 12 2011 19:37 fanta[Rn] wrote:
Serious damage to reactor container at nuclear plant unlikely - Kyodo quoting Japan nuclear safety agency - Reuters Yeahh... uhh... yeah. No. I'm pretty sure the explosion was at some other part of the plant, not the reactor. I seriously hope it doesn't snowball into another Chernobyl. It was the ceiling of a reactor according to the BBC which is according to the NHK. Edit: Also, from the BBC: # 1009: "This is starting to look a lot like Chernobyl" Walt Patterson, an associate fellow with Chatham House, has told the BBC after seeing pictures of the explosion at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant. "The nuclear agency says that they have detected caesium and iodine outside the unit, which certainly indicates fuel melting at the very least," he says. "Once you have melting fuel coming into contact with water, that would almost certainly be the cause of the explosion." Followed later by:
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1011: More from Walt Patterson of Chatham House. He says the presence of the radioactive caesium in the surrounding area does not pose a huge threat to public health in the immediate aftermath of the explosion. "What would be serious is if there was an explosion or fire that lifted this stuff high in the air, meaning it could get carried over a wide area."
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1045: BBC environment correspondent Roger Harrabin says local officials believe the release of radiation following the nuclear plant explosion is likely to be small. He adds that nuclear incidents aren't always as serious as they may sound or appear, and actually, in terms of loss of life and destruction, accidents at hydroelectric plants are far more dangerous.
Which sounds much more reasonable.
In the first part the explosion would definitely need to engulf the reactor itself, not just any part of the leaked to surrounding.
If we get a few mSv outside the reactor up into the air and it spreads around... it will just dissipate into a slightly increased background radiation.
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A nuclear explosion is never a possibility in a meltdown, unless you mean an explosion carrying radioactive heavy metals over a large area, which is what Chernobyl was.
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On March 12 2011 19:41 Loanshark wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 19:38 dump wrote:On March 12 2011 19:37 fanta[Rn] wrote:
Serious damage to reactor container at nuclear plant unlikely - Kyodo quoting Japan nuclear safety agency - Reuters Yeahh... uhh... yeah. No. I'm pretty sure the explosion was at some other part of the plant, not the reactor. I seriously hope it doesn't snowball into another Chernobyl.
The qubic builidng is the reactor part, but you see after the explosion there is no more smoke coming out of it. It seems the explosion was only outside parts, that where pulled of by the shock wave of an internal explosion and the building is still closed.
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Most likely a steam explosion. The reactor itself is said to probably be okay.
Edit: 1052: Neil McKeown in Nakameguro, Tokyo writes: "The evacuation zone has been extended to 20km by the government. However TepCo [the Tokyo Electric Power Company] appeared in a news conference and promised to release new radioactivity readings after 6pm. It is now 7.30pm and they have not done so. People are getting extremely frustrated at the lack of news coming from TepCo and the government - they have yet to confirm if the building that suffered an explosion housed a reactor, and we have no indication how much radiation has been released or in what direction winds are blowing."
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I doubt they can restore proper cooling and prevent a meltdown after that explosion 
Just hope the contaiment will not break.
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On March 12 2011 19:53 TBO wrote:I doubt they can restore proper cooling and prevent a meltdown after that explosion Just hope the contaiment will not break.
Isn't the cooling system inside the containment vessel?
In which case that thing we saw go boom was in fact the containment vessel...
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On March 12 2011 19:51 Pistolfied wrote:
Most likely a steam explosion. The reactor itself is said to probably be okay.
Edit: 1052: Neil McKeown in Nakameguro, Tokyo writes: "The evacuation zone has been extended to 20km by the government. However TepCo [the Tokyo Electric Power Company] appeared in a news conference and promised to release new radioactivity readings after 6pm. It is now 7.30pm and they have not done so. People are getting extremely frustrated at the lack of news coming from TepCo and the government - they have yet to confirm if the building that suffered an explosion housed a reactor, and we have no indication how much radiation has been released or in what direction winds are blowing."
where do you get your news from mate?
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On March 12 2011 19:51 Pistolfied wrote:
Most likely a steam explosion. The reactor itself is said to probably be okay.
Didn't they say the cooling system of the reactor is on battery supply?
Even the emergency power system failed due to the tsunami.
So when battery power is low, the core will start to melt. So the whole thing is on the brink of a new Tschernobyl... And Japan is not that big of a country unlike Ukraine.
€dit:
Update:
It's happened: If the containment broke (which the explosion kinda indicates) then we have the "disaster beyond all expectations".
And this in an area where the rate of population/sqf is very high...
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nuclear plant littery use the engery from nuclear explosion to power stuff, i think they can take alot of water/waves. just so long as the magnetic feilds are in sync, Chernobyl was widley acceppted to be a botch job of a factory so wont ever happen again.
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On March 12 2011 19:55 awha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 19:51 Pistolfied wrote:
Most likely a steam explosion. The reactor itself is said to probably be okay.
Edit: 1052: Neil McKeown in Nakameguro, Tokyo writes: "The evacuation zone has been extended to 20km by the government. However TepCo [the Tokyo Electric Power Company] appeared in a news conference and promised to release new radioactivity readings after 6pm. It is now 7.30pm and they have not done so. People are getting extremely frustrated at the lack of news coming from TepCo and the government - they have yet to confirm if the building that suffered an explosion housed a reactor, and we have no indication how much radiation has been released or in what direction winds are blowing." where do you get your news from mate?
the bbc news feed linked in the first post.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698
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On March 12 2011 19:55 awha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 19:51 Pistolfied wrote:
Most likely a steam explosion. The reactor itself is said to probably be okay.
Edit: 1052: Neil McKeown in Nakameguro, Tokyo writes: "The evacuation zone has been extended to 20km by the government. However TepCo [the Tokyo Electric Power Company] appeared in a news conference and promised to release new radioactivity readings after 6pm. It is now 7.30pm and they have not done so. People are getting extremely frustrated at the lack of news coming from TepCo and the government - they have yet to confirm if the building that suffered an explosion housed a reactor, and we have no indication how much radiation has been released or in what direction winds are blowing." where do you get your news from mate?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698
Also, http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/us-japan-quake-experts-idUSTRE72B1BP20110312
+ Show Spoiler +(Reuters) - Radiation was leaking from an unstable nuclear reactor north of Tokyo on Saturday, the Japanese government said, after an explosion blew the roof off the facility following a massive earthquake.
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"So it means slowly the heat and the pressure built up in this reactor. One of the things that might just have happened is a large release of that pressure. If it's that then we're not in such bad circumstances.
"Despite the damage to the outer structure, as long as that steel inner vessel remains intact, then the vast majority of the radiation will be contained.
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What is the weather like in Japan? Would radioactive clouds be drifting towards the ocean, the main populated areas or even korea/china/russia or be washed out by rain soon or what?
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