|
Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.
Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true. |
On March 12 2011 18:38 StyLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 18:11 Alay wrote:On March 12 2011 17:14 smileyyy wrote:On March 12 2011 17:01 GenericTerranPlayer wrote:On March 12 2011 16:58 smileyyy wrote:
hmm once again its proven nuclear energy is not safe at all. lets hope there wont be too much damage. bullshit. People are just afraid of the word nuclear. Any other power plant would have trouble following the 5th largest earthquake since 1900. And all that's happening here is a minor leak. I would hazard to say Nuclear power plants have the best record of all fuel-using power plants worldwide. How extraordinarily narrow minded haha saying me being narrow minded while talking about nuclear energy lol. Yeah nuclear energy is such long term thought out process since theres still no solution what to do with the waste. My point is Japan build 55 nuclear plant knowing of the danger of quakes by the way just google Kurihara Nuclear Power Plant it got damaged in 2008 by a ~7 earth quake too. leaking radioactive material And Oil Drilling caused a massive leak just recently--does that mean that using that is unsafe too? Welp, guess I'm walking to work tomorrow. Nuclear Power is incredibly safe, reliable and quite efficient. The place just got slammed by a massive earthquake _and_ a tsunami. It's amazing it's in as good of shape as it is. Which is amazing, considering how we've been paranoid about nuclear power plants and haven't built one since like 1975.
Mostly due to ignorant and uninformed people. There seems to be some huge fear of "radioactive material" which for the most part is completely harmless in the amounts that are released during incidents such as these -- unless you're sitting there next to the reactor for a very very long time. The chances of an incident like Chernobyl ever happening again is zero, and it has never really been a possibility in the United States.
If anything I think the incident shows us that with a slightly better design nuclear power is pretty safe as a whole~
|
On March 12 2011 18:52 dump wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 18:49 Macabre wrote:
CNN announcing they think the core is breached/worst case scenario. I'm worried, ever since the press conference NHK has been doing reruns right now when you'd think they'd be watching the plants...
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/yokosonews
He said there was rumors about the cooling system that exploded, and said there are still no official words on it.
|
Do not trust anything else than Nuclear Security Agencies and the government are saying right now.
It's still not officially confirmed there's radioactive materials detected. It's a rumor for now, because I'm wondering how the hell they would detect it on the go. Sayin' "hey there's cesium here !" without proving it is stupid. :/
|
On March 12 2011 18:55 Maggeus wrote:
Do not trust anything else than Nuclear Security Agencies and the government are saying right now.
It's still not officially confirmed there's radioactive materials detected. It's a rumor for now, because I'm wondering how the hell they would detect it on the go. Sayin' "hey there's cesium here !" without proving it is stupid. :/
They are confirmed by the experts....
|
On March 12 2011 18:55 Danjoh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 18:52 dump wrote:On March 12 2011 18:49 Macabre wrote:
CNN announcing they think the core is breached/worst case scenario. I'm worried, ever since the press conference NHK has been doing reruns right now when you'd think they'd be watching the plants... http://www.ustream.tv/channel/yokosonewsHe said there was rumors about the cooling system that exploded, and said there are still no official words on it.
Yeah, but I mean, they said they'd come back with some more data at around 6, but they haven't done that yet. It's already 7.
On March 12 2011 18:55 Maggeus wrote:
Do not trust anything else than Nuclear Security Agencies and the government are saying right now.
It's still not officially confirmed there's radioactive materials detected. It's a rumor for now, because I'm wondering how the hell they would detect it on the go. Sayin' "hey there's cesium here !" without proving it is stupid. :/
?? The press detected 1015uSv/hr before the government said anything about it.
|
It's pretty pointless to take much of anything from the Western media, they make money by fear mongering.
Yeah, obviously an explosion is bad, but there's not a lot of point in speculating because it's a completely guess for any of us as to what the damages might be.
Chernobyl can't happen again, chill guys.
|
On March 12 2011 18:58 dump wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 18:55 Danjoh wrote:On March 12 2011 18:52 dump wrote:On March 12 2011 18:49 Macabre wrote:
CNN announcing they think the core is breached/worst case scenario. I'm worried, ever since the press conference NHK has been doing reruns right now when you'd think they'd be watching the plants... http://www.ustream.tv/channel/yokosonewsHe said there was rumors about the cooling system that exploded, and said there are still no official words on it. Yeah, but I mean, they said they'd come back with some more data at around 6, but they haven't done that yet. It's already 7. Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 18:55 Maggeus wrote:
Do not trust anything else than Nuclear Security Agencies and the government are saying right now.
It's still not officially confirmed there's radioactive materials detected. It's a rumor for now, because I'm wondering how the hell they would detect it on the go. Sayin' "hey there's cesium here !" without proving it is stupid. :/ ?? The press detected 1015uSv/hr before the government said anything about it.
Reading a Geiger counter is a long way off of detecting a leak of material.
|
South Korean rescue team arrives at Haneda
A South Korean rescue team has arrived at Tokyo's Haneda Airport.
It is the first foreign assistance since the strongest ever earthquake hit Japan's northeast.
A team of 5 South Koreans and 2 rescue dogs belonging to Korea's National Emergency Management Agency arrived at Haneda Airport on a civilian flight shortly before 3PM on Saturday.
State Secretary for Foreign Affairs, Chiaki Takahashi, received the team at the arrival lobby, and shook hands with the members.
Takahashi said he is grateful to President Lee Myung Bak, and asked members to take care, as aftershocks are continuing in the affected areas.
The leader of the rescue dog team said they are a small but experienced unit, having worked in Indonesia and Haiti after they were hit by major earthquakes.
He said the team will do its best.
More units may be dispatched from South Korea, depending on the situation.
Saturday, March 12, 2011 17:34 +0900 (JST)
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/12_48.html
|
On March 12 2011 18:55 Maggeus wrote:
Do not trust anything else than Nuclear Security Agencies and the government are saying right now.
"Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano has confirmed the explosion at Fukushima-Daiichi. "We are looking into the cause and the situation and we'll make that public when we have further information," he is quoted as saying by Reuters."
|
On March 12 2011 19:00 Bear4188 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 18:58 dump wrote:On March 12 2011 18:55 Danjoh wrote:On March 12 2011 18:52 dump wrote:On March 12 2011 18:49 Macabre wrote:
CNN announcing they think the core is breached/worst case scenario. I'm worried, ever since the press conference NHK has been doing reruns right now when you'd think they'd be watching the plants... http://www.ustream.tv/channel/yokosonewsHe said there was rumors about the cooling system that exploded, and said there are still no official words on it. Yeah, but I mean, they said they'd come back with some more data at around 6, but they haven't done that yet. It's already 7. On March 12 2011 18:55 Maggeus wrote:
Do not trust anything else than Nuclear Security Agencies and the government are saying right now.
It's still not officially confirmed there's radioactive materials detected. It's a rumor for now, because I'm wondering how the hell they would detect it on the go. Sayin' "hey there's cesium here !" without proving it is stupid. :/ ?? The press detected 1015uSv/hr before the government said anything about it. Reading a Geiger counter is a long way off of detecting a leak of material.
They detected cesium and iodine in the air.
Why would they lie about that?
|
On March 12 2011 19:00 Bear4188 wrote:
Reading a Geiger counter is a long way off of detecting a leak of material.
That's exactly the problem. Btw, 1015 uSv/hour is NOT DIRECTLY life threatening if you stay ONE HOUR in contact. It CAN become life threatening if you get more than 20 mSv, meaning 20 HOURS, and it's not even 2% of death. I think it was even a lot less, but I don't remember exactly.
Just for your information.
EDIT : Ah no, sorry, 20 mSv is still not life threatening. It's almost 0%. But more can be life threatening.
|
On March 12 2011 17:47 NoNameLoser wrote:Video of explosion: + Show Spoiler +at 46 seconds watch carefully, you can see shock wave going up, not good.
The video in question states that the explosion was an intentional procedure for lowering the internal pressure from 0.75 MPa to 0.55 MPa (roughly 7.5 atmospheres to 5.5 atmospheres; for reference, 2 atmospheres is roughly the gauge pressure of a car tire at 30 psi). The video cuts off right when the host asks about any potential danger in the situation.
Destructive methods used to lower the pressure suggests that the plant is having serious problems but it's certainly better than an uncontrolled or unintended explosion.
EDIT: The prime minister and chief cabinet secretary's press conference held at 8:30pm in Japan offered an official explanation for the events earlier in the day. The explosion was due to hydrogen mixing with air within the building and did not damage the #1 reactor. This was not a steam explosion due to fuel containment failure.
|
from what I read they couldn't reach the valve to lower the pressure hence they might have blown it up
don't quote me on that though
|
|
|
On March 12 2011 19:08 fanta[Rn] wrote:
from what I read they couldn't reach the valve to lower the pressure hence they might have blown it up
don't quote me on that though
That's one of the theories, but then there's this picture:
+ Show Spoiler +
|
The new expanded evacuation radius is 20-25 km now. -CNN
|
On March 12 2011 19:03 Maggeus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 19:00 Bear4188 wrote:
Reading a Geiger counter is a long way off of detecting a leak of material. That's exactly the problem. Btw, 1015 uSv/hour is NOT DIRECTLY life threatening if you stay ONE HOUR in contact. It CAN become life threatening if you get more than 20 mSv, meaning 20 HOURS, and it's not even 2% of death. I think it was even a lot less, but I don't remember exactly. Just for your information. EDIT : Ah no, sorry, 20 mSv is still not life threatening. It's almost 0%. But more can be life threatening.
20mSv is what you get during an X-ray computed tomography
|
Well, I finally looked at it, since I wasn't exactly sure, but now it's 80% sure, since I don't like using Sieverts (I prefer using Gray).
4 Sv = 4000 mSv = 4000000 uSv is equal to a DL50, meaning 50% chance of death.
|
|
|
After basically zero sleep and feeling like shit since this whole thing started i JUST now got word from my girlfriend that her family in Sendai is ok. Such a feeling of relief.
I hope everyone else got the same kind of good news!
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT![[image loading]](http://img858.imageshack.us/i/fukushimano1.jpg/)
