EPTIn either case, I can't see it being legal/ethical for competition, but the lines blur when someone has a "legit" prescription for them.
Doping with Modafinil at a professional level - Page 2
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number1gog
United States1081 Posts
In either case, I can't see it being legal/ethical for competition, but the lines blur when someone has a "legit" prescription for them. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On February 19 2011 00:06 number1gog wrote: This sounds a lot like the MLG kids that (mis)use Adderal for Halo. In either case, I can't see it being legal/ethical for competition, but the lines blur when someone has a "legit" prescription for them. You mean like most of the smokers in California that have "legit" need for medicinal marijuana? | ||
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Fateless
United States99 Posts
On February 19 2011 00:03 Ultramus wrote: I normally average about 120ish APM, zerg player and I don't ladder very much. I am however a top tier FPS player and I noticed no difference when I was on it, but competitive FPS you reach a skill ceiling pretty quickly where the game limits you. The same applies to starcraft 2 really, it won't make your workers mine faster or make units build quicker, it can help with mechanics but for pros their mechanics aren't the limiting factor. Good point, even if your ability to process and focus doubled, the game still moves at X speed. I really think the effects of this or any other stimulant are going to be seen more in late game decision-making then in overall speed in players who already possess 100+ APM. | ||
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Ultramus
United States319 Posts
On February 19 2011 00:05 matthewfoulkes wrote: People say little too no side effects but this and other stimulants/amphetaminal drugs have been linked to loss of appetite, lack of desire to sleep and ability too sleep, and these 2 combined can stunt growth. just saying from experience and from research and speaking to my doctor. I wouldn't really call lack of sleep a side effect for a drug meant to treat narcolepsy *sigh* It's side effects that I have personally experienced whenever I take it are appetite suppression which is to be expected and xerostomia, two things that are quite minor compared to any other drugs out there. | ||
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Stropheum
United States1124 Posts
Whether it's ethical or not, people will do it, people probably already do it, and people will continue to do it if a rule gets made against it. Edit: something I do that I would even consider unethical: I got diagnosed with severe ADD when i was a kid, so i have a standing prescription whenever I want it for either of the 2 meds listed above. But later in my life I had to get multiple brain scans and an IQ test as part of a program for placing me into a special needs program. They found out that not only do I have a legal genius IQ (144) but I have an overdeveloped corpus callosum (a little bit bigger than the average girls' even) which they say can lead to compulsive multitasking, which they say is the reason i was diagnosed with what the doctors called ADD. They gave me tips and plans to overcome my need to do many things at once and honestly, I don't need the pills. But i'm a college student, and they help. Like I said, brain doping happens. I don't use it to specifically increase my performance in a competitive environment, but I won't say that it's not in my system when I'm playing | ||
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Twistacles
Canada1327 Posts
You're asking if it's okay to take an amphetamine? Are you kidding? No. The only drugs you need for starcraft are caffeine and marijuana. | ||
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Ultramus
United States319 Posts
On February 19 2011 00:11 Fateless wrote: Good point, even if your ability to process and focus doubled, the game still moves at X speed. I really think the effects of this or any other stimulant are going to be seen more in late game decision-making then in overall speed in players who already possess 100+ APM. To my knowledge it has more an effect on memory than anything else so decision making shouldn't be affected or improved, and those are generally things ingrained in players heads from experience. I think most people have a dichotomous key when they play for almost every situation. I can see it helping people who have really bad nerves and often "blank" under stress or in the case of simply using it to get extra practice time in, but I don't think it will make a pro a better player. For the rest of us it's very likely that if you have errors in your play it will smooth those out. Things you've already mentioned you improved on, injects, not getting supply capped, et cetera. | ||
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Fateless
United States99 Posts
On February 19 2011 00:04 RoosterSamurai wrote: People that play in MLG are professional gamers, and as with most any profession, a drug test is to be expected. I don't really agree that it would be an invasion of a player's privacy. They chose this profession, and shouldn't really be treated any differently than an employee at any other company. yeah, but when they chose this profession there were no drug tests involved, they were just playing a game they enjoyed for fun. I don't like the idea that a player who might enjoy smoking marijuana in his free time would be DQ'd by a drug test when drugs don't even help you in this game. I know we all love to compare E-sports to Physical sports, but they are quite different. In an MMA fight or boxing match, if one of the competitors were taking something like Methamphetamine, there is a real risk of one of the competitors dying, and when the physical safety of the competitors is concerned, it makes sense to test for everything possible. | ||
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Ultramus
United States319 Posts
On February 19 2011 00:16 Twistacles wrote: Uh. You're asking if it's okay to take an amphetamine? Are you kidding? No. The only drugs you need for starcraft are caffeine and marijuana. Modafinil is not an amphetamine, it's an analeptic. It's a CNS stimulant and less psychostimulant. There is anecdotal evidence that it could be considered a cognitive enhancer. | ||
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Stropheum
United States1124 Posts
On February 19 2011 00:16 Fateless wrote: yeah, but when they chose this profession there were no drug tests involved, they were just playing a game they enjoyed for fun. I don't like the idea that a player who might enjoy smoking marijuana in his free time would be DQ'd by a drug test when drugs don't even help you in this game. I know we all love to compare E-sports to Physical sports, but they are quite different. In an MMA fight or boxing match, if one of the competitors were taking something like Methamphetamine, there is a real risk of one of the competitors dying, and when the physical safety of the competitors is concerned, it makes sense to test for everything possible. What about bikers and runners doing blood doping/ taking epo to help stabilize their heart rate so they can keep going for ridiculous lengths? This doesn't cause risk to anybody but the person themselves, yet in competitive races, they test. This is what we're talking about here, keeping things fair, and having the competition being about who worked the hardest to get where they're at, not who took the best drugs. Also I love the fact that any sort of tournament would do a drug test on its competitors. If one person gets away with it, they'll tell their friends and they'll tell their own friends and more and more people will start putting themselves in harms way because the tournaments don't screen for people like that. I 100% agree with drug screening at any sort of tournament, "real" sport or not. | ||
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Cpt.beefy
Ireland799 Posts
Doping for a performance enhancement is against fair play and the spirit of gaming, It must all be banned! If not, there will be an endless supply of enhancers cycling around the Pro-gaming circuit helping new champions focus better then ever, and when that drug is banned internationally, their will be another 2 too take its place (usually with unknown side-effects). Anyone stupid enough too take something thats unknown too medical science is a fool and need there brain scrambled (excluding life death situations) If E-sports Gods don't stop this before it begins it will DESTROY the Industry before it begins. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1601 Posts
In the end though it is their choice I don't see why any governing body should rule over this. Their risk their reward and I doubt it is that much of an edge. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On February 19 2011 00:08 RoosterSamurai wrote: You mean like most of the smokers in California that have "legit" need for medicinal marijuana? That's not even a good comparison. Adderal and other drugs like it actually have a medical purpose and that is why they are perscribed... | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On February 19 2011 00:16 Fateless wrote: yeah, but when they chose this profession there were no drug tests involved, they were just playing a game they enjoyed for fun. I don't like the idea that a player who might enjoy smoking marijuana in his free time would be DQ'd by a drug test when drugs don't even help you in this game. I know we all love to compare E-sports to Physical sports, but they are quite different. In an MMA fight or boxing match, if one of the competitors were taking something like Methamphetamine, there is a real risk of one of the competitors dying, and when the physical safety of the competitors is concerned, it makes sense to test for everything possible. Risking being DQed in a tournament or fired from a job is a risk you knowingly take when you smoke an illegal drug like marijuana. I'm not going to get in a debate about whether marijuana is harmful, or semantics of whether it should/shouldn't be illegal, I'm just saying that it's MLG's prerogative to test the participants in their tournaments if they want. After all, to get into MLG you have to be part of a sponsored team. So yes, they WERE just a person who enjoyed playing a game; Then they signed a contract, and got sponsored, and then it became their profession. | ||
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
I don't know enough about Modafinil to say anything about it, but if it really had 100% positive effects and 0 side effects I don't see how it could reasonably be banned any more than using a mouse with higher dpi should be banned. | ||
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Pablols
Chile519 Posts
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Ultramus
United States319 Posts
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Fateless
United States99 Posts
On February 19 2011 00:19 Stropheum wrote: What about bikers and runners doing blood doping/ taking epo to help stabilize their heart rate so they can keep going for ridiculous lengths? This doesn't cause risk to anybody but the person themselves, yet in competitive races, they test. This is what we're talking about here, keeping things fair, and having the competition being about who worked the hardest to get where they're at, not who took the best drugs. Also I love the fact that any sort of tournament would do a drug test on its competitors. If one person gets away with it, they'll tell their friends and they'll tell their own friends and more and more people will start putting themselves in harms way because the tournaments don't screen for people like that. I 100% agree with drug screening at any sort of tournament, "real" sport or not. The problem is that in this case, the Tests are not effective. You might not know it, but it is very very easy to cheat a drug test. This means that the cheaters will have no problem continuing to cheat, and honest players who might use harmless drugs to relax will be punished. So for example, take a seriously powerful stimulant like Methamphetamine, which is undetectable in urine after 72 hours. Marijuana, which is harmless and will if anything make it more difficult to play SC2, is detectable for up to 2 weeks. So I just dose up right before I begin playing and nobody will know any different. But If I smoked a joint with my friends last weekend I will be DQ'd and shamed by the community. | ||
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