EPTand as i play for the most part 3's og 4's - having good teammates is key!
ive raged ALOT because of incompetent teammates, but i just have myself to blame, coz i play with random ppl xD
Why does everyone hate noobs so much? - Page 5
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preacha
Norway210 Posts
and as i play for the most part 3's og 4's - having good teammates is key! ive raged ALOT because of incompetent teammates, but i just have myself to blame, coz i play with random ppl xD | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
I only hate noobs when im playing a team game and i know i cant do it by myself. | ||
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Starfox
Austria699 Posts
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keeblur
United States826 Posts
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sparkyk24
49 Posts
On December 01 2010 06:52 rally_point wrote: In my honest opinion, if you TRULY like a game, you will try to help as many people as possible get good at it and enjoy it no matter how 'noob' they are. However - if you try to genuinely try to help someone, give them your best advice in the simplest form, and they don't use your advice it becomes annoying. For example, if my buddy in bronze asks me "what is the best way to improve?", I will suggest he should focus on macro concepts. If he then focuses on micro, and tells me he doesn't know what he's doing wrong, it will feel like he's ignoring my advice. This can peeve me to some extent, but at the end of the day if someone is trying to learn I am very patient and will do my very best to help them improve. Also, newer players that are cocky / know it all are disliked. These are the ones that whine about unit design and imbalance. These discussions show us that the players are blaming the game for their losses instead of blaming themselves. Pushing the blame to something else is never highly looked upon, especially when it's clear that you have other areas to improve on. I personally don't think balance matters until you are at the highest of skill levels (ie pro level). Up until that point improving your micro / macro / decision making can overcome your problems. Another type of person that fits into this group are the players that THINK they are good, and give out erroneous advice. I believe people get this impression for certain sc2 casters. If they give out poor advice to people that don't know any better it can be really frustrating. Also, the forum posters that criticize the pros and post "oh he CLEARLY should have just done this," could get on peoples nerves. There is a lot of thought that goes into competitive strategies and the environment is completely different, so saying something like this can be greatly disrespectful. Sometimes, we poke fun at noobs, but it's not meant to actually make them feel bad. For example when Tasteless or another caster jokes and says "noob, you can lower the supply depot between your cc and gas!" (actually I don't know if he's ever said that), it's all in good fun and of course he isn't trying to ward noobs away from sc2 (hell Tasteless has done a huge part in helping people get into the game). So if you hear jokes about noobs please take them lightly - we really do want you playing the game. I think this issue (if it's even an issue at all) can be boiled down to modesty. People need to be more modest with how good they think they are, be cautious about the advice they give out, and give more respect to the pros and people who have been a part of the community for a long time. Good post. Yeah, I wasn't talking about something like that, where it's like, "Oh, you noob ^_^" :::playful jab pinch pinch::: I'm talking about real noobs, and the people that seem to despise them or condescend to them. Some people do want to make people feel bad. But, I agree, I think a lot of the community can be very nice and understanding, even saying things like "I've been there," or, "I used to struggle with that, too." I suppose it's like others have said: the bad ones stand out. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Though noob is also used to insult players for being bad as newcomers, thats why it has a negativ taste. How well new players are treated depends really on the community and competetiv games tend to have a really high amount of trolls and other stuff, and because they like to show off, they like to pick the weak. | ||
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Ronald_McD
Canada807 Posts
A million years ago somebody once said in my defense in a game of 3v3, "everybody's gotta start somewhere" Ever since that's been how I feel about noobs. There's no point in screaming down their throats, especially when you once sucked as much as they did and are too far up your own ass to admit it. And lol @ everybody in this thread saying "nobody hates noobs". That's a load of shit. Now not EVERYONE hates noobs, but there's quite a few people who are content to just scream at someone all game long for playing bad, even if they aren't acting like they know what they're doing. | ||
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
On December 01 2010 04:13 sparkyk24 wrote: SC is as bad about it as any game (maybe even more so than WoW). Why does everyone hate noobs so much? People hate noobs in WoW because they are bad at what many call a skill-less game. I haven't seen much flaming with SC besides people complaining over "imbalance". | ||
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epicopter
Canada177 Posts
If you see someone playing badly but they at least a sense of how to play the game then that is fine and it doesn't matter what skill level you are you should be able to learn at least that. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
-Ego. The delusion that one is skilled or knowledgeable is the stiffest barrier to improvement or education. People are wont to quickly form assumptions and impressions, but one must discard such tendencies in order to calmly analyze any problem. Ego leads to: -Inability to analyze problems from multiple angles. Ego anchors one's analysis on one framework, one set of assumptions. Thorough analysis demands multiple perspectives. -Inability to frame problems. Noobs tend to express inquiries in terms of assumptions or explanations of situations that aren't helpful to themselves or others trying to help them. Classic example: any thread seeking help without providing a single replay. Even when they earnestly try to be humble and provide as much information as even-handedly as possible, their inexperience can foil their attempts to identify what it is they should be seeking. For instance, they might ask, "How do I respond to this general sort of play?" instead of, "How do I prevent this one, specific, difficult situation from actuating?" -Inability to digest advice. If someone is already confident in a fixed view of the problem, and is unwilling to accept any other since that view is tied to his ego, he instantly must deny all solutions built on different views of the problem, or even solutions built to solve different problems entirely. His defense of his position may come off as belligerent and inflexible, even if he bears no ill will in doing so. In essence, the defense of a position signifies an entirely different sort of discussion altogether: an argument, not a supplication. -Inability to advise. Advice demands an understanding of the goals and problems of the advisee. What is the advisee trying to accomplish (usually winning games of Starcraft here), and how can he increase his ability to do this (the advice) in light of what he's already done (the problems as presented in his inquiries and replays provided)? The less well-equipped the advisor, the poorer advice will be provided, and ego can easily blind you as to how well-equipped you are. The result: much poor advice generated from probably well-meaning analysis conducted under the lens of far too limited experience. | ||
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hamy710
Australia160 Posts
StarCraft don't you hate it when you lose to a 6pool cause you didn't scout? Out of pure laziness and somehow they win. | ||
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MDew
United States256 Posts
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
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Retgery
Canada1229 Posts
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sl0w
United States447 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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ScruffyIsAPerson
United States4 Posts
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RogerRus
Norway87 Posts
But I actually really really like noobs who gives an effort to learn. I't makes my heart warm to see people struggle so hard at such low levels, but still doing soooo much to get better. It makes myself wanna do better too. I've trained people up from bronze to diamond. But I also have some friends who just dont want to learn, and are doomed to forever suck, and those are the kind of noobs I hate, and might show openly my despice for them. As for the rude remarks in threads, I think that rather often is because its something thats asked soooo often, and explained even more often, that it shows that the one asking the question didn't really put much effort into finding out what they wanted. And if I'm not mistaken, that is a violation to the rules on TL. The rude comments are ofcourse not really justified by that, but I chose to dont answer those questions, and If I would, it would be with a semi-rude "there is a search function you know" or something like that. | ||
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Darksteel
Finland319 Posts
On December 01 2010 07:19 epicopter wrote: I think before a person plays a multiplayer game they should at least learn the basics offline, like when you see a person on Starcraft building like a supply depot on 7 a engineering bay at 12 a barracks at 18 and a orbital command at 25 it just hurts you inside. If you see someone playing badly but they at least a sense of how to play the game then that is fine and it doesn't matter what skill level you are you should be able to learn at least that. This is something I always do, especially if its a team game in which your bad performance can make the game less enjoyable for your team mates. In my opinion its selfish and lazy to not even make efforts in getting better before ruining other peoples gaming experience. It seems a lot of people except someone to outright tell them how to play and get better, instead of bothering to search and read guides. This same mentality applies to forums, in which you can find a lot of threads with helpfull knowledge but decide to make a new post out of laziness. In SC2 we even have hundreds of hours of educational videos on youtube from beginners guides to Day9 dailies to search enlightment from  | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On December 01 2010 05:01 TheBlueMeaner wrote: This forum is full of starcraft veterans, there are people that have been playing the game for 12 years now. They get easily offended when someone with no experience comes thinking they know it all. I played broodwar for 2 years before it was replaced by sc2, I only got to D+ in iccup. Even I get offended when someone who's experience is sc2 since launch comes telling me how to play. This post really made me think, because I've tried to give advice around here at least a couple times (I'm new as of SC2...), never even thought about how I might be talking to someone who has been playing Brood War all this time. I played Brood War back in high school very casually, just playing custom games mostly, ladder was too slow for me and the maps were too big and intimidating. I never heard about ICCUP back then, probably stopped playing before it was even around. Switched to WC3 immediately when it was released, because it had better graphics. Sadly it was not until SC2 that I remembered how amazing BW was, I should have never stopped playing. The reason I am bringing all this up, is even with that little experience (compared to someone playing for the past 12 years) I started out miles ahead compared to people new at Starcraft when SC2 hit. Now that I have spent the past 5 months working so hard to move faster and think faster...holy shit...some of you guys have been doing this for 12 years, with a much more difficult game. So much respect, there is no way I would be enjoying this game as much as I am, without help from veterans like Day9 and just people on this forum. That is why I love this game so much, the learning, which is impossible without other people. It's also the reason why I was never good at BW, I just wanted to be good on my own, everyone else could fuck off. Then I would lose and get frustrated instead of talking to other people about it...to learn. So thanks for posting, and I'll now make an extra effort to not tell people what to do and take into consideration how "new" I am to starcraft. | ||
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