EPTA very good case in point is the one you brought up OP. Often the correct answer to 'how should I counter this army?' is 'you should suck less' in nicer and more useful words. As stated by Day 9, newbies should stop thinking about counters, and instead think about having better fundamentals. All too often I see newbies ask 'how do I counter this army', then good players will say 'work on your macro' or something, and the newbie will complain that nobody is being helpful. This fuels frustration for all involved.
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Australia324 Posts
A very good case in point is the one you brought up OP. Often the correct answer to 'how should I counter this army?' is 'you should suck less' in nicer and more useful words. As stated by Day 9, newbies should stop thinking about counters, and instead think about having better fundamentals. All too often I see newbies ask 'how do I counter this army', then good players will say 'work on your macro' or something, and the newbie will complain that nobody is being helpful. This fuels frustration for all involved. | ||
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braammbolius
179 Posts
Noob = Someone who will simply never be any good but thinks of himself as The Shit. And there we have it  | ||
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Jimmycliff
United States86 Posts
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
On December 02 2010 18:19 braammbolius wrote: Newb = A new player that is (hopefully) eager to learn. Noob = Someone who will simply never be any good but thinks of himself as The Shit. And there we have it I've always thought of it as Newbie = A new player and Noob being more of a offensive term against new players, but everyone has different views on everything. I keep seeing people throw around the word Noob as if it is a swear word/insult :/ | ||
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njnick
United States176 Posts
For noobs it is the willingness to learn and take advice. For more experience players it is the willingness to teach and help people who just did not know. Also I think everyone should be humble because no one knows what this game will be like in years to come. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On December 02 2010 18:32 njnick wrote: Well my two cents is the problem lies with people For noobs it is the willingness to learn and take advice. For more experience players it is the willingness to teach and help people who just did not know. Also I think everyone should be humble because no one knows what this game will be like in years to come. imho TL is pretty nice to the friendly newbies. but its a different story when a guy goes "im rank 2 gold man, and i tell you X is so fucking imba its total joke blabla" or when people that joined TL in mid sc2 beta keep talking crap about how SC2 should be , about sc1 stuff beeing irrelevant or former bonjwas beeing overhyped. when they just have no freakin clue and should accept that many people here playd competive RTS back when they didnt even know what a punany looks like and were playing with pokemon cards. | ||
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FetTerBender
Germany1393 Posts
If people are better at this than i am, they most probably will have no life. If people are worse than me at this, they are newbies. Only the people who match my level are to be considered normal. Alas, i have proven myself to be normal and totally okay. Every1 else can learn from me and should take my advice seriously. (Notice how this is the same shit in kind of every situation in life? Work: Works more? Total nerd! Works less? What a slacker! Driving: Faster than me? Way to kill people, you jerk! Slower than me? Comeeee ooooooon douche!) Its the phenomenon that people made their experiences, made up their mind about it, and can (for themselves) perfectly reasonable argue why they behave suchandsuch in a situation, alas acting normally. Everyone who acts in another way (because he had not the same experiences / has another mindset / came to different conclusions) is not likely to be accepted. As for newbies in the sense of starters: we all had a point where we started, so i guess its pretty reasonable to show appreciation for someone trying at least. And i guess most people who start with something are happy when they are welcomed in a kind manner and not told to gtfo, newb. | ||
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njnick
United States176 Posts
On December 02 2010 18:40 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: imho TL is pretty nice to the friendly newbies. but its a different story when a guy goes "im rank 2 gold man, and i tell you X is so fucking imba its total joke blabla" or when people that joined TL in mid sc2 beta keep talking crap about how SC2 should be , about sc1 stuff beeing irrelevant or former bonjwas beeing overhyped. when they just have no freakin clue and should accept that many people here playd competive RTS back when they didnt even know what a punany looks like and were playing with pokemon cards. I agree that’s why is said everyone should be humble but if the guys a dick that’s fine. I was just pointing out that both people newbs and experienced players have their dicks  . | ||
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Mongery
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TheloniousMonk
Australia41 Posts
Let's take an example with WoW. Let's say a player from a top raiding guild decides to start a PuG raid because he missed out on his weekly raid for whatever reason. The range of skill levels in a PuG raid is going to be anywhere between high to very-low depending on how fussy the raid leader was with filling slots. You might get people who have never been in a proper raiding guild before (which is easily possible with the current standards of the game). As soon things go awry the good players are going to start abusing the worse players for letting down the raid-group. Normally, this would be the natural order of things. The experienced people would mouth off and the greenhorns would keep their mouths shut and listen to what they have to say. But the situation is unique because there are players in the raid who place success at a much lower ordinal ranking because there is little incentive for them to place it higher. If I were trying to become a chef or professional sportsman there is a larger cost for failure (loss of monetary income mainly) and anger and verbal abuse is taken as a given. However, for what is still percieved by the general populous as a leisure activity where there is no cost for failure in the games endeavours, a large misunderstanding erupts between the two groups of players. Although sometimes you still get those annoying players who can't take abuse and criticisms even if they take the game seriously. | ||
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snpnx
Germany454 Posts
It's so easy to get a win sometimes, it's awesome! + Show Spoiler + No, but seriously, I think the 'hating' on noobs subsides when people get older. Everyone started playing at sometime and wasn't good, so if I ever get someone who I see has a serious lack in play I will give them a few tips (unless they flame me for being a cheeser,rusher,lame turtle or whatever they think is they reason why they lost, then I flame back). | ||
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Leath
Canada1724 Posts
For example, playing 2v2. If your partner is not up to par, then you might get frustrated. As for RPGs, it might just be tedious to explain the game or answer a lot of a questions that seem obvious to you. I used to play a MORPG callled Tibia and newbs used to just love annoying other players by spamming, standing on respawn location to prevent monster from appearing, stealing loots, blocking paths, etc. I cant blame them, when I started playing I used to do a lot of these things too. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
In too many games of LoL, I was considered the carry of the team, taking most of the kills and receiving so much praise and some friend requests. In other games, I fed the enemy, gave out free kills, and had to bear so many insults including ones to kill myself. I guess my point to those who "noobs" in LoL do not really look at the big picture. Sometimes, you will see a level 23 person paired up with a level 30 person with 700 wins. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On December 02 2010 19:33 Leath wrote: As for RPGs, it might just be tedious to explain the game or answer a lot of a questions that seem obvious to you. I used to play a MORPG callled Tibia and newbs used to just love annoying other players by spamming, standing on respawn location to prevent monster from appearing, stealing loots, blocking paths, etc. I cant blame them, when I started playing I used to do a lot of these things too. different things imho. what you describe is pure douchebaggery that pretty much only stupid 12 year olds would do. while the annoying "noob" can be any kind of badmannered idiot with a too big ego. | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
On December 02 2010 18:19 braammbolius wrote: Newb = A new player that is (hopefully) eager to learn. Noob = Someone who will simply never be any good but thinks of himself as The Shit. And there we have it This pretty much. Newbies are just new to the game (or SC in general) and just haven't picked up on a lot of stuff yet. Some newbies react badly to some of the stuff that happens to them as a result though, causing the line between noob and newb to blur. Noobs generally have a decent understanding of the game...from their single point of view. Generally convinced that everytime they lose it has something to do with everything but themselves. Or simply put, say you stop a 6 pool from a: Good newb and their reasoning: 'Oh...I guess that doesn't always work, I'll try something else next time' Bad newb and their reasoning: 'Meh, he got lucky, next one won't be' Noob and their reasoning: 'Buff 6 pool, nerf <opponent race>, <lots of rage and caps>' | ||
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yekun1234
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Gian Carlo
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What I'm trying to say is, It's the "bad apple" kind of noobs that we hate, not noobs in general. User was warned for this post. | ||
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